Thunder -130 to win series

I'm not a Kendrick Perkins apologist. I think he's a selectively useful player that Brooks overuses. He's a terrible offensive player whose defensive effectiveness is highly dependent upon matchups. Brooks usually plays him too many minutes, without proper consideration for matchups. I completely agree with the argument that Perkins' offense is such a handicap that he should be playing significantly fewer minutes in the majority of games.

With that said, the argument that Perkins isn't even a good defender is completely off-base. He's neither versatile nor an elite all-around defender, but he defends post-ups very well and is a plus defender overall.

Numerous basketball stat sites. Look at traditional centers in the league and notice how there points, fg %, and rebounds are better or at least at their average when Kendrick guards him.
This is a poor method of evaluating defensive impact. Defense is much more than just a bunch of one-on-one matchups. The objective is to minimize the effectiveness of the entire offense, not to shut down one player.

In the 2011 playoffs, Dwight Howard averaged 27 PPG on .630 FG% and 15 RPG (regular season averages: 22.9 PPG, .625 FG%, 14.1 RPG). If you take out Game 5 (which Orlando actually won), in which Howard only played 29 minutes due to foul trouble, he averaged 30.8 PPG, .649 FG% 17 RPG in the other five games of the series (Orlando lost four of them). By your logic, Jason Collins and Zaza Pachulia--the Atlanta centers given the task of defending Howard--had a bad series defensively because Howard obliterated his regular season averages.

The problem with that logic is that it completely ignores the larger context. Orlando's 4-out/1-in offense was predicated upon Howard's ability to force double-teams, thereby creating open looks for Orlando's 3-point shooters. Orlando led the league in 3-point attempts (25.6 per game), which they converted at a 36.6% clip. In their playoff series with the Hawks, the Magic not only shot fewer 3s per game (23.5), but they only converted 26.2%. It wasn't bad luck. Orlando didn't just go cold for an entire series. Instead, Larry Drew entrusted Collins and Pachulia with guarding Howard one-on-one. That meant the Hawks' other defenders could stay at home on Orlando's shooters, resulting in the Magic getting fewer clean looks from the 3-point line. The objective was not to shut down Dwight Howard, but to minimize the overall effectiveness of the offense. Collins and Pachulia were essential in executing Atlanta's defensive game plan to perfection in that huge upset.

Perkins' ability to defend Bynum in the low post with minimal help was a critical component of the Thunder's success against the Lakers in last year's playoffs. Bynum and the Lakers' offense were terrible when Perkins was also on the floor (97.1 offensive rating) and outstanding when Bynum was on the floor without Perkins (110.2 offensive rating) (link). Bynum's individual numbers (which weren't as good with Perkins on the floor, but that's besides the point) don't fully reflect things such as the Lakers' difficulty in even getting the ball to Bynum in situations in which OKC elected to have Perkins front Bynum. That was one of the major reasons Kobe had to play hero ball in some of those fourth quarters (Kobe doesn't really need a reason to play hero ball, but you get the point).

I was the one that said tons. But, I guess Soonerbounce can't take the words of professional analysts like Charles Barkley, Ernie Johnson, Bill Simmons, Shaquille O'Neal, and Zach Lowe that Kendrick Perkins play both offensively and defensively are subpar. Aside from the point Maxpower made about Gasol's increased offensive prowess against Kendrick compared to most centers in the league.
Zach Lowe is a credible analyst, but Ernie Johnson is just a studio host, and the others are entertainers. Shaq?! Really? Shaq's "analysis" is horrible. He recites numbers from the box score, assigns an arbitrary statistical baseline for a player (*mumble* Duhwhite Howuhd with 19 poyns, 9 rebowns gotta do betta then at. He should be getting 37 poyns, 18 rebowns against dis team), and criticizes players' rehabilitation efforts. The guy who once delayed surgery for an entire summer, instead electing to have it done in the preseason, on the grounds of, ""I got hurt on company time, so I’ll rehab on company time," probably shouldn't be so adamantly critical of a player for not returning from surgery as soon as expected.

I have a ton of respect for Lowe. His analysis is outstanding; however, I don't recall him classifying Kendrick Perkins as a subpar defender (BTW, there is a huge difference between having a subpar defensive performance or being bad in certain matchups and actually being a subpar defender overall). There are a lot of teams versus which Perkins doesn't have a good matchup, and he sometimes has poor performances in what should be good matchups. However, on average, the Thunder's defense has consistently been better with him on the floor.

Out of 54 centers in the NBA (note there are only 30 NBA teams) Kendrick ranks DEAD LAST in PER. PER is "Player Efficiency Rating." Take note, that means that Hasheem Thabeet and stars like Lavoy Allen are more efficient on the court than Perkins.
PER is mostly an offensive stat (one with limitations, but that's besides the point); the defensive stats included in the formula aren't even good indicators of defense. Hollinger himself, the inventor of PER, argues that it isn't a good evaluator of defensive specialists.

Simple on/off stats indicate that the Thunder perform better defensively when Perkins is on the floor; the problem with that stat is that the teammates with whom he shares the floor are confounding variables. However, if you look at advanced metrics that attempt to control for that, such as ASPM (DsMok1 has a terrific site), on a yearly basis Perkins grades out with a positive defensive impact.

Perkins is terrible offensively. I don't think anyone would reasonably argue otherwise.

This season:
Brook Lopez averaged 6 points higher than his average and shot 12% above his season average against Perkins.
Nikola Pekovic scored 20+ twice against Kendrick while also getting a double-double in those two games. Both higher than his averages.
Al Horford score 8 points above his average and was at his average the other game.
J.J. Hickson didn't start the majority of games this season until Vajero got hurt. But once he did he outperformed his scoring and rebounding average against Kendrick.Larry Sanders also continues this trend of somehow playing above his season average against The Great Kendrick Perkins.
And one more, my personal favorite NBA center, Nikola Vucevic was able to score 21 points and 14 rebounds against defensive monster - Kendrick Perkins.

Also, if you don't know who Nikola Vucevic is then your opinion on Perkins is largely uneducated as that would show that you don't follow the NBA and judge local players defensive prowess by their scowl.
What does Anderson Varejao's (I'm assuming that's what you meant) injury have to with J.J. Hickson? Hickson started for Portland the entire season. He hasn't played for Cleveland in two years.
 
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Marc Gasol is the problem fellas. Perkins is a very good post defender but Gasol has the talent to go outside and splash 18 foot set shots. Put Collison in and Gasol would take him in the post and abuse him at will.

The Thunder need to clamp down on Conley and hope Gasol misses some of those outside shots.

As for playing Durant at the 4, do you really want him grinding on Z-Bo? Lionell Hollins would love that I think.
 
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Marc Gasol is the problem fellas. Perkins is a very good post defender but Gasol has the talent to go outside and splash 18 foot set shots. Put Collison in and Gasol would take him in the post and abuse him at will.

The Thunder need to clamp down on Conley and hope Gasol misses some of those outside shots.

As for playing Durant at the 4, do you really want him grinding on Z-Bo? Lionell Hollins would love that I think.
The Thunder played Durant at the 4 some in Game 2 against Gasol and Randolph. There was no grinding of Durant and Z-Bo. Durant defended Gasol; Randolph defended Sefolosha. OKC basically traded off defense for more offense in that situation, and I believe they came out a little bit ahead.
 
The Thunder played Durant at the 4 some in Game 2 against Gasol and Randolph. There was no grinding of Durant and Z-Bo. Durant defended Gasol; Randolph defended Sefolosha. OKC basically traded off defense for more offense in that situation, and I believe they came out a little bit ahead.

Yep, though that was only for a few minutes.

I think you could even have Sefolosha guard Gasol. You can lower Durant's exposure to foul trouble by that and quick double teams. Memphis would get some open looks from deep, but I think the trade-off would benefit the Thunder comfortably.

And SoonerBounce, I can't post links because I'm busy and relegated to Internet by iPhone, but like I said above, you can check out the play by plays linked on espn's box score.

The small lineup hasn't played a lot, so it's a small sample. But it confirms what should happen when the Thunder go small. They've had better offensive flow and gotten better looks. The defense hasn't been bad either.
 
Bump.

You were saying boca

Griz have successfully chipped away at Durant's efficiency. Durant has to develop a post up game like Dirk did or else he will continue to die by the jumper when it matters.
 
Perkins finished the playoffs with a -0.7 PER. Yes that is a negative in front of the 0.7. Anyone care to continue defending his play?

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/227705/Kendrick-Perkins-Finishes-Playoffs-With-Worst-PER-On-Record

Perkins performance in both rounds of the playoff proves what I have said about him all along. He is not a NBA starting center.

If the Thunder brass fails to trade him in the off season, you can kiss any chance of a return to the title game goodbye. The west division is too tough to win with a five who can't score. Heck, Perkins can't even defend at a high level anymore. His is easily in the bottom 20% of the NBA's centers, and it might be a stretch to rate him that high.
 
So I'll take the 130$ I won on Memphis and let the 230$ ride on them again. Memphis +110.
 
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