Tramel: "OSU would have been better off with old GIA"

[skyvue]

You can at basketball schools, but for everywhere else, you can't. Number of games, length of games. No comparison.

Ah, but there's the rub, you see: oshwo thought/thinks they are a basketball school on a par with (or just half a notch below) your Dukes, KUs and Kentuckys. The only ones telling them they weren't were OU fans; the local media for years blew them full of smoke about their tradition and national significance.

 

[AdaSooner]

I almost feel bad for OSU about the ticket thing, because it's a topic that never dies in the local media and gets beaten like a dead Bullet every year.

I love basketball, but somewhere along the lines athletic departments became convinced that they could sell college basketball tickets like they were college football tickets, everything from donor requirements to ticket pricing. You can at basketball schools, but for everywhere else, you can't. Number of games, length of games. No comparison.

I'm glad you said, "almost." The only time I feel bad for the Pokes is when a genuine human tragedy occurs. In matters like this, it's impossible for me to be emphathetic when my gut tells me that greed and a build-it-bigger mentality was likely the driving force. Boone got the ball rolling with his contributions, and it picked up steam from there.

 

[steverocks35]

Ah, but there's the rub, you see: oshwo thought/thinks they are a basketball school on a par with (or just half a notch below) your Dukes, KUs and Kentuckys. The only ones telling them they weren't were OU fans; the local media for years blew them full of smoke about their tradition and national significance.

Yep, this is evident by the number of them that think Bill Self is going to be their next coach.

 

[badger]

greed and a build-it-bigger mentality

This is a plague among colleges these days both academically and athletically. However, OSU took it another step in trying to profit off death.

 

[KBaden145]

This is a plague among colleges these days both academically and athletically. However, OSU took it another step in trying to profit off death.

Is it just me or did that seem like something Mr. Burns would have tried?

 

[AdaSooner]

This is a plague among colleges these days both academically and athletically. However, OSU took it another step in trying to profit off death.

Interesting! I had no idea OSU alums had hatched a scheme like that. Guess I need to get out more. lol

 

[tycat947]

This is a plague among colleges these days both academically and athletically. However, OSU took it another step in trying to profit off death.

T Bone is a HUGE proponent of trying to squeeze blood from a turnip!!!

 

[scrybe]

Then why would the NBA care?

Huh?

 

[Vinny78]

Here is the REAL story of why they made it the size they did. Eddie Sutton in his Hate for all things OU told everyone in Stoolwater the ONLY thing he cared about with the redone arena was that it had more seats than the Lloyd Noble Center and OU. I know this because one of my key accounts and the person that heads it, before he passed two years ago, was on the committee to raise funds and the one to oversee the project. He told me this himself as he was in all of the key meetings. He said that was all that Sutton asked.

 

[AdaSooner]

Here is the REAL story of why they made it the size they did. Eddie Sutton in his Hate for all things OU told everyone in Stoolwater the ONLY thing he cared about with the redone arena was that it had more seats than the Lloyd Noble Center and OU. I know this because one of my key accounts and the person that heads it, before he passed two years ago, was on the committee to raise funds and the one to oversee the project. He told me this himself as he was in all of the key meetings. He said that was all that Sutton asked.

This confirms what I had suggested in a earlier post.

Make no mistake, the hatred for all things OU runs deep in Stillwater, which is why nothing about your revelation comes as a surprise.

 

[Mr.B!!!]

This confirms what I had suggested in a earlier post.

Make no mistake, the hatred for all things OU runs deep in Stillwater, which is why nothing about your revelation comes as a surprise.

And just to be clear, the Sutton's were a big part of that tradition. People could hate on Kelvin's style or whatever, but the reality is that his tenure at OU was the equivalent of a "middle finger" to a fawning local media that desperately wanted to ordain a drunk and a druggie and their program as some type of powerhouse. Yep, Kelvin texted like every other coach [gotta get a throw away Kelvin], but I don't recall him doped up and almost killing a person or any mug shots. I love Kelvin.

 

[jmizzy4ou]

And just to be clear, the Sutton's were a big part of that tradition. People could hate on Kelvin's style or whatever, but the reality is that his tenure at OU was the equivalent of a "middle finger" to a fawning local media that desperately wanted to ordain a drunk and a druggie and their program as some type of powerhouse. Yep, Kelvin texted like every other coach [gotta get a throw away Kelvin], but I don't recall him doped up and almost killing a person or any mug shots. I love Kelvin.

:clap:clap:clap

 

[tycat947]

Here is the REAL story of why they made it the size they did. Eddie Sutton in his Hate for all things OU told everyone in Stoolwater the ONLY thing he cared about with the redone arena was that it had more seats than the Lloyd Noble Center and OU. I know this because one of my key accounts and the person that heads it, before he passed two years ago, was on the committee to raise funds and the one to oversee the project. He told me this himself as he was in all of the key meetings. He said that was all that Sutton asked.

Almost every aggie in Stoolwater has an inferiority complex the size of Texas! From T Bone to Holder to Napoleon (TF) to Sutton to Gundy to Pat Jones to etc to etc to etc. That's why OU is always the root of all of osu's problems regardless of what it is. They are really pathetic!

 

[Dr Sleep]

I neither want nor need to make excuses for OSU, but I have a little different opinion than Berry on the Cowboys' inability to fill GIA.

While there's probably some validity to what he's saying, I believe the attendance problems at OSU have more to do with this: The one-and-done rule is killing college basketball. Look around, you'll see the same thing happening at D1 schools throughout the U.S.

But, hey, at least the NBA is strong!

I disagree. Too many game stoppages is killing the game. Too many and frequent media timeouts regardless if a team calls time out, and teams have too many timeout as well. Teams should get only 3 in the first half, then get to add 1 more the unused TO leftover from the first half.

 

[WaymanFan]

The "one-and-done" rule hurts both the college and the NBA game in terms of quality. Very few guys are ready to dominate at the NBA level after one year resulting in a watered-down product at both levels. The fact there are as many players on this year's NBA all-star roster from OU as there are from Kentucky should open a few eyes to those who don't think it hurts. Also, that one Kentucky player (Rhondo) was at college for TWO years, same as Blake.

I think there is enough data to suggest that the Kevin Durants' of the world in regards to one-and-done success are in the overwhelming minority. Actually, a better example would be another Texas alum, Lamarcus Aldridge. He had an up-and-down freshman season, but still would have been a 1st round pick had he declared. Instead, he worked on his game at Texas (rather than sit at the end of an NBA bench) for another season and developed into an outstanding player. We will never know if he'd be this good now had he left Texas after one season.

I think part of the problem at Oklahoma State is they are now good in football, something they weren't prior to Les Miles. Most states are not "divided" as part football and part basketball states. They are usually one or the other. Alabama - football, Kentucky - basketball, Louisiana - football, North Carolina - basketball, etc. In spite of the success of the Thunder, I think most will agree the state of Oklahoma is more of a football state.

 

[NickZepp]

You could say the same about high schoolers to pros that aren't successful. Maybe we should adopt a pro baseball rule were if you want to go straight to the pros and get drafted and like your spot you can either take the pro contract do your D-League thing. Or go to college and play at least 2-3 years. Where the one and done hurts the most is that the kids don't even care to go to classes at that school.

 

[opsooner]

In my personal opinion the LNC during Tubbs' heyday was every bit as intimidating as either the old GA or old GIA. I have been to many games in both places and I saw and witnessed intimidating environments at both places. Some have forgotten that OU once had the nation's longest home winning streak. Yes, the LNC is not as good for holding noise but it holds it good enough when enough is made.

I see the one-and-done phenomena as a plus for teams like OU who now have a better chance to compete into the tourney when we get back to the right levels (and we're getting closer). If other teams don't like it they can be more selective about who they recruit.

 

[KBaden145]

In my personal opinion the LNC during Tubbs' heyday was every bit as intimidating as either the old GA or old GIA. I have been to many games in both places and I saw and witnessed intimidating environments at both places. Some have forgotten that OU once had the nation's longest home winning streak. Yes, the LNC is not as good for holding noise but it holds it good enough when enough is made.

I've believed this for a long time and the numbers actually support the idea that the LNC is a tougher place to win games. Well coached teams are going to play well regardless of if the game is home or away, quiet or loud. What matters most to a home court advantage is how good the home team is. More often than not, you will be playing a better home team in the LNC than in GIA over the last 25-30 years. Over that time, we've won a significantly higher percentage of our games, especially games in the Bedlam Series. Because of a louder environment, GIA is a bit tougher place to play but LNC has historically been a tougher place to win. By the way, when they are both full, I think the crowd noise is fairly neglible. You cannot tell me GIA was ever any louder than LNC was for the KU and OState games in Kelvins first season.

 

[JBaker]

Agree that the one and done doesn't appear to be the biggest reason for the struggles in college ball. How many freshmen declared for the draft last year?

I think 11 freshmen and 16 sophomores entered last year.
If you could still go pro out of high school, probably 10-15 of those guys would have.

If you adopted a go pro before college or wait 3 years rule, they'd all still be in college.
And it would open up recruiting. Kentucky can take 6 5* recruits every year because they all know they can come in and start right away because everyone else is going pro. If players couldn't leave so fast, the elite players would get spread out across more schools because they'd be looking for early playing time.