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Looking at StubHub and how cheap the tickets are, it's absolutely going to be packed with KU fans. If our crowd is as bad as it was today, it'll essentially be a neutral floor. Which is too bad, because this season KU is bad on the road for once.
 
Well being mediocre, even by a non-basketball school standard, will do that to you. If OU were 3rd or so in the conference, then the crowd would probably be a lot better. But being at or near the bottom doesn't help.

Still think OU will give KU a heck of a game, and can even beat them!
 
OU won’t beat Kansas. There will be as many KU fans as OU fans on Tuesday night.

Most OU fans just don’t care about the program and only follow them when they’re winning. Hell, even then they don’t support the team very well. OU has a small number of diehard basketball fans but most are fair weather and don’t support the program much at all except in passing.

It’s been this way forever, with a few scattered exceptions. OU fans just don’t care much about this program. They never have and I don’t see any reason to believe they ever will.

Also, the administration doesn’t care much either and they compound the fan apathy by having a no real plan to change that. There are things that could be done to maximize fan interest and maybe even attract more fans. However, OU leadership continues to fail the basketball program. Either they are trying and failing miserably or they have no plans at all to make the program great.
 
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Most OU fans just don’t care about the program and only follow them when they’re winning. Hell, even then they don’t support the team very well

I'm not completely disagreeing with the overall theme of your post, but do you remember how expensive OU-KU was Buddy's senior year? Those were tough tickets to get ahold of.
 
I'm not completely disagreeing with the overall theme of your post, but do you remember how expensive OU-KU was Buddy's senior year? Those were tough tickets to get ahold of.

Yea it's takes having a final four team with a Naismith to get most ou fans to care. We have neither this year so all but the most diehard fans don't care..
 
I'm not completely disagreeing with the overall theme of your post, but do you remember how expensive OU-KU was Buddy's senior year? Those were tough tickets to get ahold of.

I was there. They weren’t that hard to come by. Anyway, the point was, fans show up for a few big games when the team is ranked high, but even then, they don’t show up for most other games. Even during the season which you singled out, the fans didn’t always show up. Even in great seasons the fans are no shows during noncon unless it’s a name brand team that draws a lot of attention. Even in great seasons, the fans show up for ku, osu, texas and the rest of the games are a bunch of empty seats.

Fan apathy and poor attendance are problems for everyone all over the country, but they are compounded at OU by a lack of support by OU leaders and a lack of a clear vision and plan for the program.
 
the Thunder arriving the same time when Capel began sinking the program definitely has hurt and driven away some fans towards the NBA. Lon did a good job quickly rebuilding the program from those lowly seasons from 2010-12 but since the final 4 run, OU has been a mediocre product on the court for 3 seasons. Im sure the kids try their best, work hard, do the right things off the court but its been hard to develop a fandom for these teams that you do not always know what you are going to get from them game to game, they have had no identity for 3 years.
 
I was there. They weren’t that hard to come by.

The game sold out, and tickets for the worst seat in the house were going for over $100. Tickets were out of my price range, and this is coming from somebody who bought Final Four tickets.

Even during the season which you singled out, the fans didn’t always show up. Even in great seasons the fans are no shows during noncon unless it’s a name brand team that draws a lot of attention. Even in great seasons, the fans show up for ku, osu, texas and the rest of the games are a bunch of empty seats.

The year I singled out we averaged 11,120 fans per game. Lloyd Noble Center capacity is 11,528.
 
The game sold out, and tickets for the worst seat in the house were going for over $100. Tickets were out of my price range, and this is coming from somebody who bought Final Four tickets.



The year I singled out we averaged 11,120 fans per game. Lloyd Noble Center capacity is 11,528.

That’s not actual butts in seats. Tickets sold isn’t the same as people showing up and attending the game.
 
Ive been going to games for 20 years. I havent gone to any of our games in a month. I dont know how else to voice my displeasure with Lon and the program other than not going and not renewing next year if hes still here.
 
11,000+ is too big. the venue needs to be about 7,500.
 
Longtime lurker, rare poster....

OU and KU are actually polar opposites of each other in many ways:

OU is a blueblood in football, KU is a blueblood in basketball.
OU has an NBA team nearby, sapping support from the basketball program; KU has an NFL team nearby, sapping support from the football program.
OU has a neglected basketball facility, KU has a neglected football facility.
OU's donors prefer to support the football program. KU's donors prefer to support the basketball program (though they just scored a huge donation for a football stadium project).

The biggest difference is that OU is traditionally a top 30 basketball program, while KU football struggles more often than not, and is in a historically awful phase at this time. This accounts for a difference in interest. But, overall, football is life-and-death at OU. It matters. At KU, basketball is life-and-death. It matters to them. Football is a much greater revenue driver, and puts OU in a favorable position for future conference realignment.

My dad first took me to an OU basketball game during the Dave Bliss Big 8 championship season of 1979. That makes me an old fart. I've been watching OU hoops for a long time. I root for OU in both football and basketball.

We have had a successful program in spite of ourselves, with a hand tied behind our back. The heart and soul of the OU athletic department, its donor base, and its fan base, is football. That's who we are. Football drives the bus at OU. Basketball is way down the list of priorities for the donors and fans of OU. It is easier to raise money and to borrow money for a football stadium expansion than for a new or renovated basketball arena at OU. (I don't have a problem with the recent south end zone addition-it was needed to continue to achieve the goals and expectations of the football program) We can disagree with the location of an arena, but most of us agree that a new or renovated facility is needed at OU. I'm sort of embarrassed that Baylor is building their second arena since LNC was built in 1975.

With the success of the football program, all sports are held by the fan base to a similar standard. Our fan base expects national championships, or at least to compete for them. It's "national championship or bust". I don't agree with this mindset, but it's true. Our fans aren't going to show up for something just because someone wearing the OU logo is playing. But, if the team has a chance to win a national championship, our fans will back it. We had over 10,000 people today at LNC for a gymnastics meet between the #1 and #2 teams in the nation. Those weren't all fans of gymnastics that showed up today. Those were fans of OU, there to watch a team favored to win their third national championship in four years. We see the same thing in softball when OU is making a run in the College World Series.

Our basketball program is similar to a football program that goes 7-5 or 8-4 every year. Good, but not great. If our football program did that, our fans would rebel and abandon the program in droves. Our fan base holds all our sports to the same standards as the football program. That means not merely winning, but winning at a national championship level. That may or may not be fair, but it's true. And, for basketball, we'll always struggle to draw huge crowds for no-name opponents. We saw that in the glory days of Billy's and Kelvin's tenures.
 
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Congrats to the women's gymnastics team...taking down #2 ucla. Fun to watch some.

New softball facility coming after renovations (several NC, plus always in top 5 it seems)

Newer baseball? What about gymnastics...both men's and women's doing very well...

I just think basketball isn't a priority...


Anyway...ku is beat able but IF we get a decent lead we absolutely cannot let them back in the game..

They'll be lots of jayhawk fans driving down from eichita prob...easy tickets.
 
mict:Also, the administration doesn’t care much either and they compound the fan apathy by having a no real plan to change that. There are things that could be done to maximize fan interest and maybe even attract more fans. However, OU leadership continues to fail the basketball program. Either they are trying and failing miserably or they have no plans at all to make the program great.


Absolutely true!
 
Yea it's takes having a final four team with a Naismith to get most ou fans to care. We have neither this year so all but the most diehard fans don't care..

What's crazy is OU women's gymnastics had a packed house yesterday. Let that sink in at just how little people care about OU basketball.
 
What's crazy is OU women's gymnastics had a packed house yesterday. Let that sink in at just how little people care about OU basketball.

#1 team in the nation vs 2, the last three national champions. Ou bball does that the game will be sold out I guarantee it
 
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