I just saw ESPN put them on an another teams resume and had it as a bad loss. Thats where i got that from.
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I just saw ESPN put them on an another teams resume and had it as a bad loss. Thats where i got that from.
Well ESPN is retarded then.
Arkansas is 19-12, 10-8 in the SEC, with wins over Florida, Mizzou, Tennessee and Kentucky.
They're 80 in the RPI. Losing on the road to them isn't even close to a bad loss.
Bottom line - if we're "projected" as a double-digit seed with at least one game to play, we're on the bubble. We need to beat ISU to get off the bubble. Otherwise, this is 1993, 1996, 1997 and 1999 all over again - sweating it out on Selection Sunday. I'm not saying whether we will or won't make it if we lose to ISU...just saying that if we lose I'll be on the edge of my seat just like the four aforementioned years (which we didn't make it in one of them).
The 99 team made it to the sweet 16
Thats your opinion of ESPN. They chose to say it was a bad loss...not me.
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Pretty uninformed opinion then specially considering that loss was @ Arky - they are a totally different animal there and on the road. Undefeated on their home court in SEC play including wins over Florida and Kentucky.
Yes, they did. They were also a #13 seed, so they were on the bubble. They were so much on the bubble that they were the last at-large team selected. My point is that we were all on the edge of our seat wondering if OU was going to make it to the Dance. I didn't mention the '98 team because I knew they would make it after winning three conference tournament games. That team was squarely on the bubble going into conference tournament play.
As for this team, a win over TCU would have erased any worries...but a win over ISU will accomplish the same thing.
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Another thing that will make OU's bid in the tournament more safe, is if all the expected conference tournament winners win their respective tournaments. Every year it seems like a team destined for the NIT pulls off a miraculous run and takes away an at large bid from a bubble team.
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You cited the source, so obviously agree.
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Blake was on the last tournament team, in 2009.
I just look at the resumes of the teams likely destined for the play-in games and there isn't much of a comparison. I mean, Minnesota is a lock and they're 5-10 in their last 15 with losses to Northwestern, Purdue, and Nebraska to go with a 26-point loss to OSU and a 21-point loss to Iowa. They might be a 7 seed.
Lunardi has Virginia in right now, a team with an RPI of 71 and that, at one point, was Old Dominion's only win in a 20-game stretch that included losses to UTSA, William and Mary, and UNC-Wilmington. ODU was last place in the Colonial Conference. The more I look at it the more I'm convinced OU's in.
That is my point too. So, I certainly agree. It is like some people think the selection process starts with determining OU's fate and then filling out the bracket around that.
The so called bubble teams and those just on the outside looking in have alot worse looking runs through the regular season than us.
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And the season isn't over yet. OU can still lose another game. Bubble teams can still win 3-4 more games. Teams not even on the bubble can win their conference tournaments, thus lessening the number of open spots.
Nobody is arguing that it wouldn't take a pretty significant chain of events to keep OU out, but by losing to TCU, OU started that chain. It isn't likely, I don't see anybody saying that it is. But lose to ISU, watch 2-4 bubble teams win a couple of games, and maybe have 2 conference tournament upsets (ie, a team win that wasn't going to make the tournament any other way), and that is certainly going to push OU down to the one of the last couple of teams in.
Unlikely it gets THAT severe, but probably no more unlikely than OU losing to TCU.
Nobody is arguing that it wouldn't take a pretty significant chain of events to keep OU out, but by losing to TCU, OU started that chain. It isn't likely, I don't see anybody saying that it is. But lose to ISU, watch 2-4 bubble teams win a couple of games, and maybe have 2 conference tournament upsets (ie, a team win that wasn't going to make the tournament any other way), and that is certainly going to push OU down to the one of the last couple of teams in.
Unlikely it gets THAT severe, but probably no more unlikely than OU losing to TCU.
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That's true. MTSU losing tonight might be one. I don't think they get in as an at-large, but it's possible. What makes it exceedingly unlikely OU gets bumped out of the tourney is that the bulk of true bubble teams are from the SEC. They'll be playing each other in their tournament, so only one or two can do anything impressive. It'll be impossible for all four of them to improve their resumes even a little bit.
Aside from those SEC teams you have MTSU, which is done, Southern Miss, Iowa, and Baylor. Baylor would have to make the final (at least) for their resume to be better than ours. But you're right, Arizona St., Iowa, and Arkansas could win their conference tournaments and throw a wrench into the whole thing. But probably not.
Aside from those SEC teams you have MTSU, which is done, Southern Miss, Iowa, and Baylor. Baylor would have to make the final (at least) for their resume to be better than ours. But you're right, Arizona St., Iowa, and Arkansas could win their conference tournaments and throw a wrench into the whole thing. But probably not.
Well in fact several people for weeks have been arguing that 10 wins wasn't enough and 11 wins wasn't enough and 12 wouldn't be a lock. And if OU loses to TCU and a 1st round conference game that it was curtains for sure.
Not every conference upset results in an at large team being left out. If Baylor wins the Big 12, that could be bad for the teams on the bubble going in. But, if a Northwestern St.or ORU beats SFA in their tourney, it won't make any difference at all. SFA would probably go to the NIT. As would most all of the smaller conference tourney favorites.
All of this fretting and foaming over the least likely of outcomes is a mystery to me.
Basically what you're saying is, it's possible the Big 12 would get only three teams into the tournament. That's bogus.
We're in, so is Iowa State. Period. Baylor needs to make it to the finals of the Big 12 tourney to have a shot.
I don't think he's sayting that. The winner of the OU-ISU game is a definite lock. That's 4 teams. What if that happened and Baylor made a great run a won the Tournament. Do you really think the Big XII would warrant 6 teams? Reasons like this are why I want to beat ISU and take it out of the Committee's hands.
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Exactly! No one has ever said that OU is not going to make the tournament. The scenarios some of us have painted have always centered around wins that can make us a virtual lock and losses that COULD move us closer to the bubble.
The selection committee looks at a number of variables in reviewing a team's resume, among them how they finished the season. OU was 6-4 in their last ten, and 3-2 in the last five. The last five stands out because both of those losses were to teams that finished with sub-500 records and in the bottom half of the Big 12. In other words, they were bad losses.
I have said all along that at least five Big 12 teams will make the dance. I still believe that. But I would rather not gamble our NCAA tourney future on a first round loss to ISU. That opens the door to the possibility that Baylor could use their win over KU as a springboard to win the conference tournament, which would in turn force the committee to decide if a team that finished the season by losing 3 of their last 6 games is worthy of an at large bid.
IMO, if we beat ISU our worries will be over. Lose, and I'll be worried on selection Sunday, even if I'm alone in my misery.
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Exactly.
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I don't see that being the case.
