What Cousins said and ISU Crowd

[AdaSooner]

It's important to note that Cousins was a product of the streets in his hometown. The stray bullet that could have killed him when he went back home for a visit last summer gave all of us a glimpse of his environment growing up. Even his game had the look of a street baller when he was in high school. Still does, to some extent.

My point is, what he may have done and said came almost naturally to him in the heat of the moment. I'm not condoning it by any means. He should know by now that he has to be in control of his emotions. That's especially true when you're in a hostile environment like the Hilton Coliseum. Hopefully, he will learn from his mistake.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

This is the first I have heard of not shaking Self's hand and trying to trip a player.

me too

 

[BCSooners]

I heard it loud and clear on my T.V. , but I thought it was Spangler yelling it at first since he was the one that blocked the shot.

+2

 

[vbdad]

Who would you play if you benched Cousins? Walker and Booker are very questionable as Big 12 players.

 

[Big Old Booger]

This is the first I have heard of not shaking Self's hand and trying to trip a player.

Here is a link to a vine of him not shaking Self's hand:
https://twitter.com/coreytime/status/557392602816061440


Not sure I can find a link to him trying to trip a TCU basketball player but it happened in the 2nd half inside the 10 minute mark. Cousins shot FT's and sticks his foot out but the TCU player stepped over it. I re-watched it a few times to make sure it was what I thought it was. If you can find it you will agree, it's very obvious. Luckily the player didn't fall.

 

[Big Old Booger]

Tripping players happens all the time. Heild was tripped several times against ISU when OU would get a defensive rebound they would but a body on Heild and try to cross legs to slow down the potential fast break. WVU did the same thing against Kansas.

I love that line of thinking, "well everybody else is doing it so why don't we...". It reminds me of a great Cranberries album from the early 90's, as that was the title of the album. However, we should hold our athletes above that type of bush league behavior. Would you want your kids to cheat on a test because "everybody else is doing it"? Or would you want them to smoke marijuana or use meth, "because everyone else is doing it"? Or would you want them to shoplift or steal "because everyone else is doing it"?

No, I don't think so. So, why would we want the people who represent our fine institution doing it too, just because "everybody else is doing it"?

 

[Big Old Booger]

Who would you play if you benched Cousins? Walker and Booker are very questionable as Big 12 players.

I don't know...but you have to make a statement that this kind of behavior is not tolerated.

It's important to note that Cousins was a product of the streets in his hometown. The stray bullet that could have killed him when he went back home for a visit last summer gave all of us a glimpse of his environment growing up. Even his game had the look of a street baller when he was in high school. Still does, to some extent.

My point is, what he may have done and said came almost naturally to him in the heat of the moment. I'm not condoning it by any means. He should know by now that he has to be in control of his emotions. That's especially true when you're in a hostile environment like the Hilton Coliseum. Hopefully, he will learn from his mistake.

I know he comes from a tough environment and probably hasn't had much parental involvement (stereotyping but I'm probably right). Playing physical is one thing but poor sportsmanship like not shaking hands and obviously tripping a player shouldn't be tolerated and he's old enough now to know better. JMO.

 

[BruinSooner]

This is the first I have heard of not shaking Self's hand and trying to trip a player.

He def stuck his foot out at a TCU player toward the end of the game. I wondered if anyone else had noticed.

Don't forget him throwing the UW player to the floor in Vegas. He's lost his composure several times this year.

 

[BCSooners]

I love that line of thinking, "well everybody else is doing it so why don't we...". It reminds me of a great Cranberries album from the early 90's, as that was the title of the album. However, we should hold our athletes above that type of bush league behavior. Would you want your kids to cheat on a test because "everybody else is doing it"? Or would you want them to smoke marijuana or use meth, "because everyone else is doing it"? Or would you want them to shoplift or steal "because everyone else is doing it"?

No, I don't think so. So, why would we want the people who represent our fine institution doing it too, just because "everybody else is doing it"?

Way to compare a few ticky tac moments to using meth. Also enjoyed your later post about stereotyping him and saying that you're "probably" right. I would much rather Cousins represent this university than your "older times" way of thinking.

 

[SoonerSpock]

It's important to note that Cousins was a product of the streets in his hometown. The stray bullet that could have killed him when he went back home for a visit last summer gave all of us a glimpse of his environment growing up. Even his game had the look of a street baller when he was in high school. Still does, to some extent.

My point is, what he may have done and said came almost naturally to him in the heat of the moment. I'm not condoning it by any means. He should know by now that he has to be in control of his emotions. That's especially true when you're in a hostile environment like the Hilton Coliseum. Hopefully, he will learn from his mistake.

Cousins is a junior, not fresh off the streets of Mount Vernon. He knows better. He was around last year at Texas when M'Baye instigated a Texas comeback by interacting with the opponents bench.

He is supposed to be a team leader not some street balling punk.

 

[Big Old Booger]

Way to compare a few ticky tac moments to using meth. Also enjoyed your later post about stereotyping him and saying that you're "probably" right. I would much rather Cousins represent this university than your "older times" way of thinking.

I wasn't comparing anything, just making a point.

And if you consider sportsmanship and class as "older times way of thinking" then you need to educate yourself. That type of mentality is how the Oakland Raiders have thought for years...just win baby.

 

[snydrosooner]

I love that line of thinking, "well everybody else is doing it so why don't we...". It reminds me of a great Cranberries album from the early 90's, as that was the title of the album. However, we should hold our athletes above that type of bush league behavior. Would you want your kids to cheat on a test because "everybody else is doing it"? Or would you want them to smoke marijuana or use meth, "because everyone else is doing it"? Or would you want them to shoplift or steal "because everyone else is doing it"?

No, I don't think so. So, why would we want the people who represent our fine institution doing it too, just because "everybody else is doing it"?

My point was that is a strategy that some teams employee. It is kinda like ou/ osu under Sampson and sutton would grab jeserys on picks and screens as a defensive strategy. Is it against the rules. Yes but it's a strategy sime teams employee

 

[BCSooners]

I don't know...but you have to make a statement that this kind of behavior is not tolerated.



I know he comes from a tough environment and probably hasn't had much parental involvement (stereotyping but I'm probably right). Playing physical is one thing but poor sportsmanship like not shaking hands and obviously tripping a player shouldn't be tolerated and he's old enough now to know better. JMO.

Yes I can see this statement was meant to show his "lack of class".

 

[DenverSooner]

Or would you want them to shoplift or steal "because everyone else is doing it"?

That is why I shop lifted in grade school. I felt so bad I told my parents. It turns out my parents agreed with you. That was not an acceptable excuse. I got in trouble, they told all the other parents and I had to work to pay back the store.

 

[DenverSooner]

I wasn't comparing anything, just making a point.

And if you consider sportsmanship and class as "older times way of thinking" then you need to educate yourself. That type of mentality is how the Oakland Raiders have thought for years...just win baby.

I think he is referencing racial stereotyping. It is not right.

 

[sperry]

It was the right call. Didn't have anything to do with the loss though.

 

[scrybe]

It was the right call. Didn't have anything to do with the loss though.

I certainly agree with your second statement and I probably agree with the first, though I believe the technical call was borderline.

Whatever the case, the call against Cousins and M'Baye's inverted hook'em sign had no bearing on us losing either of those games.

 

[Big Old Booger]

I certainly agree with your second statement and I probably agree with the first, though I believe the technical call was borderline.

Whatever the case, the call against Cousins and M'Baye's inverted hook'em sign had no bearing on us losing either of those games.

I politely disagree.

The resulting 5 point swing from the technical had a big bearing. Take that 5 points away and it's a 2 point game at the buzzer. Take that 5 points away and when we cut it to 3, we would have actually had a 2 point lead.

Having said that, I think the missed FT's had a bearing too. Thomas missed 4 when we really needed them.

 

[scrybe]

I politely disagree.

The resulting 5 point swing from the technical had a big bearing. Take that 5 points away and it's a 2 point game at the buzzer. Take that 5 points away and when we cut it to 3, we would have actually had a 2 point lead.

Having said that, I think the missed FT's had a bearing too. Thomas missed 4 when we really needed them.

The Sooners still had a huge lead (15 points, maybe?) after the T, the free throws and the basket. We should have still won that game – and would have, too, if we hadn't completely lost our composure.

And thanks for being so polite. :ez-laugh:

 

[Big Old Booger]

The Sooners still had a huge lead (15 points, maybe?) after the T, the free throws and the basket. We should have still won that game – and would have, too, if we hadn't completely lost our composure.

And thanks for being so polite. :ez-laugh:

That's a good point but momentum shifted with the 5 point swing.

Anytime... :dance005: