Who is most likely to be done after this season?

[152219]

You underestimate Fowler, and I probably overestimate Allison, although I think he's a better shooter than Cade. Like I said, Cade is a more complete player, though, and I agree Cade will have a better career.

The original intent of me listing all of Sampson's recruits was to point out that Sampson's first 3 recruiting classes were better than Capel's, who everybody claims is such a great recruiter. Regardless of how much I overestimated Stone, Allison, and maybe Evans, the point is right now all 3 would be playing this year because Capel has had so many misses (early, Maze, Willis, Allen, Cannon, Patillo, etc.).

I underestimate what Fowler did at OU? I gave you his stats. Now, if you are going to argue with what he did at TCU, I really don't see the point. At TCU is meaningless for what he did AT OU.

Maze, Patillo, and Clark weren't "misses" from a basketball sense, they either had attitude issues and/or didn't care about school. Should Capel have seen that when he recruited them....an argument can definitely be made for Clark.

Willis is a guy that I think we can all agree has been a disappointment. He has some skills (you don't average what he did in that class in the state of Georgia and not have skills), but he obviously hasn't put in the work necessary to became a solid to good college player.

Allen was nothing but a project.

Cannon = a big WTF

 

[152219]

I thought that Fowler did better at TCU then he did
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/player/texas-christian/prince-fowler

Nice assist numbers, but I thought he was a 15ppg scorer

 

[Big Old Booger]

I underestimate what Fowler did at OU? I gave you his stats. Now, if you are going to argue with what he did at TCU, I really don't see the point. At TCU is meaningless for what he did AT OU.

Maze, Patillo, and Clark weren't "misses" from a basketball sense, they either had attitude issues and/or didn't care about school. Should Capel have seen that when he recruited them....an argument can definitely be made for Clark.

Willis is a guy that I think we can all agree has been a disappointment. He has some skills (you don't average what he did in that class in the state of Georgia and not have skills), but he obviously hasn't put in the work necessary to became a solid to good college player.

Allen was nothing but a project.

Cannon = a big WTF

I think it's funny you call a 25 game starter a "bit player". That's why I said you underestimated him. He averaged 22 minutes per game, so he was more than a "bit" player. He wasn't the best player on the team by any stretch but he was a solid contributor on an NCAA tourney team.

Maze, Patillo and Clark were all 3 misses because they aren't here now. The 2 players combined for 2 years of play (1 semester each for Clark and Patillo, and 1 full year for Maze).

You left out Early and Neysmith which were also misses.

Like I said given the choice of Sampson's first 3 recruiting classes and Capel's, I'd probably take Sampson's any day of the week. Blake Griffin makes Capels more alluring than it otherwise would be.

 

[152219]

I think it's funny you call a 25 game starter a "bit player". That's why I said you underestimated him. He averaged 22 minutes per game, so he was more than a "bit" player. He wasn't the best player on the team by any stretch but he was a solid contributor on an NCAA tourney team.

Maze, Patillo and Clark were all 3 misses because they aren't here now. The 2 players combined for 2 years of play (1 semester each for Clark and Patillo, and 1 full year for Maze).

You left out Early and Neysmith which were also misses.

Like I said given the choice of Sampson's first 3 recruiting classes and Capel's, I'd probably take Sampson's any day of the week. Blake Griffin makes Capels more alluring than it otherwise would be.

LOL...so starting makes him good? The numbers speak for themselves. Sorry.

Clark was on the team for more than 1 semester.

Early and Neysmith were misses.

And your assumption is of course that Warren won't return (which is probably correct)....but if he gets drafted in the first round, that is a plus for the program (recruits love to hear about players sent to the NBA). And his contributions have been underestimated by you...he was a key cog to a team that made the Elite 8. Not a single Sampson player in that group can say as much.

 

[152219]

Fowler

21.9 minutes/game, 39% FG, 34.7% 3 pt. FG, 69.6% FT, 1.9 rebounds/game, 2.2 assists/game, 1.7 turnovers/game, 0.9 steals/game, and 6.6 points/game.

Looks like an average role player to me.

 

[152219]

Those numbers are slightly better than Pledger's

 

[Big Old Booger]

LOL...so starting makes him good? The numbers speak for themselves. Sorry.

Clark was on the team for more than 1 semester.

Early and Neysmith were misses.

And your assumption is of course that Warren won't return (which is probably correct)....but if he gets drafted in the first round, that is a plus for the program (recruits love to hear about players sent to the NBA). And his contributions have been underestimated by you...he was a key cog to a team that made the Elite 8. Not a single Sampson player in that group can say as much.

A "role" player is not a starter, IMO. A role player would be somebody like Szendrei was in 2002. 5-10 minutes per game, could play more if needed, but was mainly used to provide a breather to McGhee or Brown.

Using your logic, then Daryan Selvy was nothing more than a "role" player. His numbers in 2002 (final 4 year) are:

23 minutes per game
6.7 points per game
1.1 assists per game
5 rebounds per game
45% FG
32% 3 point FG

The numbers speak for themselves, right?

 

[Big Old Booger]

Clark was on the team for more than 1 semester.

Your right. He played 1 semester in 2007 (2nd semester) and 1 semester in 2008 (first semester).

 

[152219]

A "role" player is not a starter, IMO. A role player would be somebody like Szendrei was in 2002. 5-10 minutes per game, could play more if needed, but was mainly used to provide a breather to McGhee or Brown.

Using your logic, then Daryan Selvy was nothing more than a "role" player. His numbers in 2002 (final 4 year) are:

23 minutes per game
6.7 points per game
1 assist/turnover ratio
5 rebounds per game

The numbers speak for themselves, right?

Except Selvy was also a very good defender....but yes, Selvy was an excellent role player on that team. A role player doesn't mean they are a bench player and/or they aren't important.

Selvy was roughly the 5th or 6th most important player on that team....and that isn't anything to be ashamed of....he filled his role well of being a great defender, scrappy rebounder, and getting garbage points. Teams need these filler role players...it makes a good team, great.

 

[Big Old Booger]

Except Selvy was also a very good defender....but yes, Selvy was an excellent role player on that team. A role player doesn't mean they are a bench player and/or they aren't important.

Selvy was roughly the 5th or 6th most important player on that team....and that isn't anything to be ashamed of....he filled his role well of being a great defender, scrappy rebounder, and getting garbage points. Teams need these filler role players...it makes a good team, great.

I guess yours and my definition of role players are different. To me a role player is Josze Szendrei. He was strictly used to burn minutes while providing a breather to Brown and McGhee. Or, if they got into foul trouble, then Joszef would enter the game and get some rebounds and play defense. If he scored, it was a bonus.

Selvy, OTOH, was expected to do some scoring because he could score if needed. He was the 6th man and played a lot if Ere or McGhee got into foul trouble because of his versatility.

Fowler didn't fulfill a role because he started. Maybe that 95 team only had 3 good players (Minor, Ontjes and Abercrombie) but Fowler could score if needed.

I would consider Johnnie Gilbert a role player most of his career, and Jameel Haywood. Stone should have been a role player but he was forced to play a lot of minutes because of the injury to Evans and Avila didn't pan out as expected.

 

[152219]

I guess yours and my definition of role players are different. To me a role player is Josze Szendrei. He was strictly used to burn minutes while providing a breather to Brown and McGhee. Or, if they got into foul trouble, then Joszef would enter the game and get some rebounds and play defense. If he scored, it was a bonus.

Selvy, OTOH, was expected to do some scoring because he could score if needed. He was the 6th man and played a lot if Ere or McGhee got into foul trouble because of his versatility.

Fowler didn't fulfill a role because he started. Maybe that 95 team only had 3 good players (Minor, Ontjes and Abercrombie) but Fowler could score if needed.

I would consider Johnnie Gilbert a role player most of his career, and Jameel Haywood. Stone should have been a role player but he was forced to play a lot of minutes because of the injury to Evans and Avila didn't pan out as expected.

Stone was a role player...he only started because no one else was there.

Fowler was never a big scorer....as is shown in his TCU stats.

Pledger and Fitzgerald have each started multiple game this year....doesn't make their contributions any more important IMO. They are both still role players (and both would be better coming off the bench)(

 

[152219]

Jozsef Szendrei was a little more than a bit player IMO...he was close to what Orlando Allen was last year.

 

[campbest]

You don't have to be a non-starter to be a role player.

 

[152219]

You don't have to be a non-starter to be a role player.

Especially when you start because of injuries/lack of development like Stone did.

 

[Sooner04]

Jozsef Szendrei was a little more than a bit player IMO...he was close to what Orlando Allen was last year.

Bit players don't go for double-digit rebounds against the eventual national runners-up.

If Orlando had the drive and motor Szendrei had there's no way he's nailed to the bench this season.

 

[NMSooner'80]

How I understand it is that Erdmann went to Hutch so he didn't have to sit out a year....Sampson essentially set it up for a year of JUCO and then back with him at OU.

That's pretty much what I meant. Had he transferred straight to OU, he'd have lost a year (his third-year sophomore season). Going to Hutchinson JC for his sophomore season was the best route to take by far.

 

[152219]

That's pretty much what I meant. Had he transferred straight to OU, he'd have lost a year (his third-year sophomore season). Going to Hutchinson JC for his sophomore season was the best route to take by far.

Oh absolutely....you were right, he redshirted his freshman year so he had to go the JUCO route or just lose an entire year (5 years to play 4), but he wanted to play for Sampson.

 

[152219]

Bit players don't go for double-digit rebounds against the eventual national runners-up.

If Orlando had the drive and motor Szendrei had there's no way he's nailed to the bench this season.

What? And if you are using one game as an argument....well, that is far from strong

And I agree with your 2nd statement....but people keep mentioning "problems" in Allen's life. I'm not going to start throwing out guessing to these problems, but people on here keep saying that is part of the issue.

 

[Big Old Booger]

What? And if you are using one game as an argument....well, that is far from strong

And I agree with your 2nd statement....but people keep mentioning "problems" in Allen's life. I'm not going to start throwing out guessing to these problems, but people on here keep saying that is part of the issue.

The only problems in Allen's life is he can barely walk and chew gum at the same time. I've never seen a big man with worse hands than he has, but that's OK. He needs to get his degree and get a good job.

 

[okienole3]

The only problems in Allen's life is he can barely walk and chew gum at the same time. I've never seen a big man with worse hands than he has, but that's OK. He needs to get his degree and get a good job.

Have you ever seen Ryan Wright?