Who will lead OU in scoring?

Scoring leader

  • Kaylon

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Sharane

    Votes: 8 32.0%
  • Peyton

    Votes: 12 48.0%
  • Maddie

    Votes: 4 16.0%
  • Gabbi

    Votes: 1 4.0%
  • ViVi

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    25
From what little (no pun intended) I've seen, Peyton is a better athlete than Kornet. I would say she is close to Brooke Alexander though it appears to me that Brooke is a better ball handler, although Peyton isn't bad.

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Just some thoughts on the team this fall:

1. Maddie and Peyton- we really don't know a great deal about either one. Peyton averged 23 PPG in high schooll, which is good, but was limited in minutes at A&M. She has had a year to mature and improve. Same for Maddie although she has been limited with her injury as to how much she could practice but she has plenty of time to practice a bunch before this fall, assuming she is now 100%. Maddie was not a huge scorer in high school as she averaged 16 PPG her junior year. But, she appears to be a good athlete, along the same lines of Peyton. She can handle the ball, good passer, and she jumps well. Nice shooting stroke. If I had to put a guess on how much each will score by the time we get to conference play, I will say about 11-13 points each. I think they will be very close in scoring, rebounding, and defense. We have seen a video of Peyton, here is one of Maddie:

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2. Kornet- I think if she doesn't start she will at least be able to give us a spark off the bench. If she can come in and knock down a few threes, that will be great.

3. Sharane- I look for her to be the same kind of player she was last year. Hard-nosed, willing to penetrate, grab a few boards, and play tough defense. I'm hoping she can get her scoring up in the 13-15 range but that might be a bit tough because we have others who can score as well.

4. Ortiz- not a clue as to how much scoring to expect from her. I tend to think in the 6-8 point range because she loves to distribute the ball first. She will have multiple choices as long as we actually get some MOVEMENT by her teammates.

5. Kaylon- I expect her to be in the 10 point range in scoring. That is, if she can control her fouls and stay in the game. If she can score 8-10 points per game and pull down 8 boards, that will probably be all we can expect.
 
From what little I know of Little, she, Maddie, and Nicole share something in common with Penzo and Gabi. They can don't have to have a particular shot in order to be effective. Derica is that way, but seemed to lack the confidence to pull the trigger this year. Gioya has that, but doesn't yet have a shot.

I watched Maddie in three games. I saw that she can jump higher than the opposition, is faster than the opposition, and has the guts to do something at crunch time in a close game. But, Maddie also brings something else to the table. You don't know what she will do. Will she shoot, go to the basket, drive and dish, or drive and pull up? She makes it work for herself and others.

I think she wasn't asked to score a lot in HS. When she ran into a buzzsaw in the title game, she scored a lot, just not enough. She had no help.

I've heard that Peyton has those same traits. I just haven't seen them. If she is like Maddie, this is the type of player that I have wanted at OU since Stacy. She can make everyone else better.

I just had the feeling that Kornet was trying, while everyone else was standing around. I don't know what she can do yet.

Gabi---I like people who can score or dish.

Kaylon: straight up and down, block out, get boards. Don't shoot unless it is a layup, and don't miss. Don't block. Get boards. If you don't get boards, sit down.
 
I got to see Stacy play in college for the 1st time ever this week on youtube in the 2002 NC game. One thing that really stood out to me was how hard she worked to get open, the past few years its seem like some of the players would really ball watch like Vegas, in the video of Peyton that was put up by norm you can see her moving around? being involved even when she didn't have the ball.
 
I got to see Stacy play in college for the 1st time ever this week on youtube in the 2002 NC game. One thing that really stood out to me was how hard she worked to get open, the past few years its seem like some of the players would really ball watch like Vegas, in the video of Peyton that was put up by norm you can see her moving around? being involved even when she didn't have the ball.

Stacy and Whitney both worked hard to get open. I have no idea why Sherri tolerates players standing around being spectators.
 
I like the fact that next season we should have players that can move without the ball. I am hoping for a true look at a motion offense that kids will know how to move and make a defense work, instead of making it easy to guard the offense. We shall see pretty quickly when all the kids are here and the pre-season rolls around.
 
I like the fact that next season we should have players that can move without the ball. I am hoping for a true look at a motion offense that kids will know how to move and make a defense work, instead of making it easy to guard the offense. We shall see pretty quickly when all the kids are here and the pre-season rolls around.

+1

We've seen a commotion offense. But, I don't know that we have had a motion offense since Courtney arrived.
 
I doubt we will see anymore movement this year than last. For whatever reason, movement does not seem to be something Sherri is looking for.
 
Has Sherri every ran an offensive where her guards post up? I was reading on another message board and a poster said "dominant basketball team will ideally have shooters (and height) at every starting position". I think OU has had a lot of big guards in years past, and post that could shoot, Guards posting up is somthing Sherri should try more, Manning, Kornet, come time mind right of the bat.
 
How about the people that really need to be working to get open be the focus of your conversations. Vegas? She still led in scoring. Mention the others for a full team effect instead of focusing on the elite players' lack of production. That has been one of the chief problems over the past few years.

I'm still baffled at how three of the best players in recent and school history (Courtney Paris, Danielle Robinson, and Aaryn Ellenberg) consistently get negative remarks from some on this forum. Stacey Dales and Whitney Hand could do no wrong. I wonder what the link is?
 
How about the people that really need to be working to get open be the focus of your conversations. Vegas? She still led in scoring. Mention the others for a full team effect instead of focusing on the elite players' lack of production. That has been one of the chief problems over the past few years.

I'm still baffled at how three of the best players in recent and school history (Courtney Paris, Danielle Robinson, and Aaryn Ellenberg) consistently get negative remarks from some on this forum. Stacey Dales and Whitney Hand could do no wrong. I wonder what the link is?

We were lucky to have all of them. I think one day we will put Ortiz in that group. I hope Maddie and Peyton are good enough to be included as well. Sharane hasn't been chopped liver. I also look ahead and believe we have a couple of really good players headed our way in Llanusa and Dungee.
 
How about the people that really need to be working to get open be the focus of your conversations. Vegas? She still led in scoring. Mention the others for a full team effect instead of focusing on the elite players' lack of production. That has been one of the chief problems over the past few years.

I'm still baffled at how three of the best players in recent and school history (Courtney Paris, Danielle Robinson, and Aaryn Ellenberg) consistently get negative remarks from some on this forum. Stacey Dales and Whitney Hand could do no wrong. I wonder what the link is?

You're headed in the wrong direction with your assumptions. Last year, we had three seniors who were disappointing. Each was capable and a person of honor and commitment. But, none was that player who scored when we needed to score to win a game.

Morgan often tried too hard and ended up driving wildly, throwing up a layup from six to eight feet from the side, which was essentially a turnover. She also had a tendency to lose concentration and just lose the ball, sometimes off her foot, sometimes because she just didn't notice a player sneaking up behind her as her concentration was directed ahead of her.

Vegas, even as a senior, could lose the ball dribbling into a crowd as quickly as Griffin could. She sometimes just lost the ball off her foot as she dribbled---as a senior? You get over that.

About the middle of the conference season, when the game was close, I kept looking for Carter to do something. Vegas and Morgan just didn't seem to make the play, had some hesitancy. Carter could actually get to where she wanted to go. At least, she got off a decent shot,even if she didn't hit it.

When you are looking for an inexperienced freshman to make a play because your seniors have lost three of four games by not making plays that resulted in overtime losses, you have a problem. The ones making the game-winning plays should be the seniors.

It is one thing to score thirty-five points, but in a loss? It was interesting this past year that OU lost in Austin when Texas was without its leading senior scorer, Fussell, and OU won in Dallas when we were without our leading senior scorer. It's team that wins. The frustrating thing about this team was that we had three seniors who had started for three or four years, but it did not translate into good play in close games. When the score was tied, I found that I wanted the ball in the hands of a freshman.

I would love to have those three seniors, but they were the type that needed a go-to player to do something to win a game. They needed a DRob.
They could not be that player that had to step up at the end of the game.

I don't know that I care who is the leading scorer this year. I feel more comfortable this year that there are players who will step up at the end of a close game. From what I've seen and heard, I have a lot more faith in Maddie, Peyton, and Gabi at crunch time. After all, I was hopeful that Gioya would get the ball this year at crunch time because she tried to be effective.
 
Syb, your comments over the last few weeks have been very interesting in a number of ways.

You seem to have really changed your thinking some.


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Stacy and Whitney both worked hard to get open. I have no idea why Sherri tolerates players standing around being spectators.

Seriously, why does she tolerate it? Why doesn't she teach them to do something different? The buck stops at the top, so the onus is on her. Plus, the players for OU do not seem to be players who would not follow instruction.

Also, regarding Stacy and Whitney, I would say the same for Caulfield, Ross and the player who transferred after her sophomore year and went to OBU and Caton Hill.

Caulfield, Ross, and Stacey moved and made great passes. The next team that I saw that seemed pretty sharp was 2010 with Amanda, D-Rob, and Stevenson. Those three players wanted to get better and worked at it. Of course, Stevenson was the best athlete that OU has had in my memory, so that helped her. (jmo, of course) Oh, Maria Villarroel was a very good athlete.....fast and she could jump and wiry but seemed strong.

Not saying the 2009 team was not good, just a different type of team. Also, not saying I have not enjoyed 99.99 percent of the players that I have seen since the spring of 2001 when I started following OU WBB.
 
You're headed in the wrong direction with your assumptions. Last year, we had three seniors who were disappointing. Each was capable and a person of honor and commitment. But, none was that player who scored when we needed to score to win a game.

Morgan often tried too hard and ended up driving wildly, throwing up a layup from six to eight feet from the side, which was essentially a turnover. She also had a tendency to lose concentration and just lose the ball, sometimes off her foot, sometimes because she just didn't notice a player sneaking up behind her as her concentration was directed ahead of her.

Vegas, even as a senior, could lose the ball dribbling into a crowd as quickly as Griffin could. She sometimes just lost the ball off her foot as she dribbled---as a senior? You get over that.

About the middle of the conference season, when the game was close, I kept looking for Carter to do something. Vegas and Morgan just didn't seem to make the play, had some hesitancy. Carter could actually get to where she wanted to go. At least, she got off a decent shot,even if she didn't hit it.

When you are looking for an inexperienced freshman to make a play because your seniors have lost three of four games by not making plays that resulted in overtime losses, you have a problem. The ones making the game-winning plays should be the seniors.

It is one thing to score thirty-five points, but in a loss? It was interesting this past year that OU lost in Austin when Texas was without its leading senior scorer, Fussell, and OU won in Dallas when we were without our leading senior scorer. It's team that wins. The frustrating thing about this team was that we had three seniors who had started for three or four years, but it did not translate into good play in close games. When the score was tied, I found that I wanted the ball in the hands of a freshman.

I would love to have those three seniors, but they were the type that needed a go-to player to do something to win a game. They needed a DRob.
They could not be that player that had to step up at the end of the game.

I don't know that I care who is the leading scorer this year. I feel more comfortable this year that there are players who will step up at the end of a close game. From what I've seen and heard, I have a lot more faith in Maddie, Peyton, and Gabi at crunch time. After all, I was hopeful that Gioya would get the ball this year at crunch time because she tried to be effective.

Actually, I looked for Vegas and Sharane to make the plays. This team did not play well together........They just did not complement each other well and, in the end, not one player had a good season. They all made mistakes that you would not have expected. It looked like it just became too frustrating. I will repeat that the buck stops at the top. Whatever, it was the seniors that suffered the most. I wish they had had a better year.
 
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