Why Does Capel Not Recruit In-State?

[Section31]

As far as Fields at TCU. He's probably not the post player we though. He's getting big minutes and scoring around 7 a game and with 2.8 rebounds a game. In limited minutes for Neal he has 2.2 rebound and 3.5 points. I think Neal has better promise than Fields just looking at the numbers so far.

...on a worse team in a worse league.

The Fields deal is dumb to bring up anyway. He signed before we had a mass exodus. If Tiny stays, this is a non-issue.

 

[Big Old Booger]

C'mon dude. Really?

Again, you're comparing small schools in small conferences to OU and the Big XII. I'm betting OU, even with this team, would fare pretty well in some of these conferences.

Why bring Goldbold up? He went to OU.

There's no guarantee ANY of the players you are, although vaguely, referencing would've had ANY impact at OU in the Big XII and then once they didn't, ala Ray Willis, Orlando Allen, etc, that they too wouldn't have transferred. (sheesh that last sentence really ran together, but you get the point)

Again, my point is NOT that Capel should ignore Oklahoma recruits, but that he shouldn't just recruit them because they grew up in Oklahoma and NOW have success at UCO and the likes...

I'm not saying this either, just that we have wasted scholarships on east coast recruits who have no emotional tie to the state or OU, so it's no big deal to them to show up, and leave. Seems to me like we could find a kid or 2 who is a good player and worthy of a scholarship or a chance to earn one rather than all the flame-outs. However, maybe nobody other than Hardrick was interested in OU.

Going forward, he should, IMO, go after Richardson or Spangler. He could do a lot worse at this point and has.

Godbold was brought up because he is an example of an Oklahoma kid who was passed on by everybody until we offered at the 11th hour.

 

[Big Old Booger]

Kelvin didn't really recruit that much in state either. Renzi Stone, Ebi Ere, Taylor Griffin, Kevin Bookout, David Godbold, DeAngelo Alexander(transferred), Ryan Humphrey(transferred) were about it over 12 years.

I would like to see us try and at least take a look at the top player in the state most years, but maybe not every year. Some years we just won't get a JR Giddons, Xavier Henry or Sheldon Williams. We got lucky to have Blake's brother on our team a couple years back. I would love to see us always get the top level player but it just won't happen every year.

Those are the ones he signed, but he also recruited Williams and Giddens, I believe. Not to mention Joe Adkins, the kid from Classen, and the Crawford kid from McGuinness. For a period of time, Kelvin didn't sign many Oklahoma kids, but he was trying to get them.

 

[Section31]

Those are the ones he signed, but he also recruited Williams and Giddens, I believe. Not to mention Joe Adkins, the kid from Classen, and the Crawford kid from McGuinness. For a period of time, Kelvin didn't sign many Oklahoma kids, but he was trying to get them.

Yea, and I'm positive JC recruited Orton, Henry x2, Muenelo (sp?), etc.

He IS recruiting Okla kids he thinks can play.

 

[Section31]

I'm not saying this either, just that we have wasted scholarships on east coast recruits who have no emotional tie to the state or OU, so it's no big deal to them to show up, and leave. Seems to me like we could find a kid or 2 who is a good player and worthy of a scholarship or a chance to earn one rather than all the flame-outs. However, maybe nobody other than Hardrick was interested in OU.

Going forward, he should, IMO, go after Richardson or Spangler. He could do a lot worse at this point and has.

Godbold was brought up because he is an example of an Oklahoma kid who was passed on by everybody until we offered at the 11th hour.

I'm not totally against what you're saying, but just like Hardrick, nothing is guaranteed. Remember, until this past recruiting class, this was more or less a non-issue, because we had guys to fill the void left by many of these kids you're referencing.

I've seen Richardson play twice and he did not stand out. I'd NEVER heard of Spangler until a buddy from out of state asked me about "the kid from Okla that signed with the Zags..." Granted, I don't consider myself a HS/AAU BB junkie or even watch a ton of it, but I DO live in OKC and hear about the guys that are supposed to be the real deal. I'd NEVER heard about this guy...

 

[bgrch1350]

So, your saying you would rather Capel recruit a Ray Willis, Tony Neysmith, Kyle Cannon, Chris Early or Orlando Allen than take a chance on a kid from Oklahoma?

So your saying you rather have Capel recruit non ranked in state players over ranked players? I think Early was the only one that wasn't ranked nationally by either rivals, scout and jucojunction.

Even though those kids didn't turn out to be contributors for this team or any team for that matter doesn't mean he made the wrong choice in bringing these guys in b/c it wasnt like he was the only one that got it wrong when it came to thinking that they could play at this level.

 

[NickZepp]

Who cares if we have any ranked players? All recruits are ranked in one way or another. And all of them are just as meaningless. I rank recruits based on what they actually do at OU. Overall Capel's recruiting has been average at best.

 

[Big Old Booger]

So your saying you rather have Capel recruit non ranked in state players over ranked players? I think Early was the only one that wasn't ranked nationally by either rivals, scout and jucojunction.

Even though those kids didn't turn out to be contributors for this team or any team for that matter doesn't mean he made the wrong choice in bringing these guys in b/c it wasnt like he was the only one that got it wrong when it came to thinking that they could play at this level.

Refresh my memory...what was Godbold ranked? What about Taylor Griffin?

Maybe the kids on the east coast are ranked higher than the Oklahoma kids because of the difference in population? Maybe the people who do the rankings only live in those areas and don't see the Oklahoma kids unless they attend one of the high profile invitation only camps?

I think the ranking process is flawed. Bob Stoops doesn't recruit as much off rankings, and neither did Sampson. They recruit kids who fit the profile of what they want. Surely Capel can do the same?

 

[campbest]

Rankings are hit and miss.

Prime example...the youngest Plumlee making the McDAA game, which is a joke. Only reason he is on that squad is because he's headed to Duke.

 

[Section31]

Refresh my memory...what was Godbold ranked? What about Taylor Griffin?

Maybe the kids on the east coast are ranked higher than the Oklahoma kids because of the difference in population? Maybe the people who do the rankings only live in those areas and don't see the Oklahoma kids unless they attend one of the high profile invitation only camps?

I think the ranking process is flawed. Bob Stoops doesn't recruit as much off rankings, and neither did Sampson. They recruit kids who fit the profile of what they want. Surely Capel can do the same?

WE RECRUITED AND SIGNED THOSE TWO PLAYERS!!!!!

JC is NOT recruiting kids because they are ranked. Now, he may go see kids because they are ranked. Also, many kids are ranked because high profile coaches recruit them - this usually means they can play. It's a sordid world that makes up recruiting...:ez-roll:

 

[Big Old Booger]

WE RECRUITED AND SIGNED THOSE TWO PLAYERS!!!!!

JC is NOT recruiting kids because they are ranked. Now, he may go see kids because they are ranked. Also, many kids are ranked because high profile coaches recruit them - this usually means they can play. It's a sordid world that makes up recruiting...:ez-roll:

You are sharpie! Congrats, you win the prize :ez-laugh:

That Mustang HS education isn't helping you much...maybe your parents should have moved you to Chickasha. :ez-laugh:

That was my point...neither was ranked and both were good solid basketball players who contributed to winning a bunch of games.

 

[Top Dog]

I agree that it seems as though we slow play all in state kids and it seems lately to have bit us. From what I have read and see it looks like we are going to have 3 scholarships, so why not go ahead and offer Richardson (particularly) since it appears as though we should be interested in some of the kids that he plays with- both high school and aau. I am sure that this could pay dividends in the future (insert your own examples). Or if Raney us better than take him. We need some talent and we do not need to get stuck at the end when terrance jones or dorion lamb does not select us.

 

[Section31]

You are sharpie! Congrats, you win the prize :ez-laugh:

That Mustang HS education isn't helping you much...maybe your parents should have moved you to Chickasha. :ez-laugh:

That was my point...neither was ranked and both were good solid basketball players who contributed to winning a bunch of games.

No, your point is we should recruit Okla players just because they are Okla kids. Then use kids we did recruit to back up your theory. That makes absolutely no sense. What about Keith Clark and Hardrick? Those are two players in the last 4-5 years. Both from Okla...neither panned out.

MY point is, no one has yet to give me a list of ANY kid we failed to recruit that amounted to much of anything at an equivalent level. THAT says more to me than that JC didn't recruit the Fields/Spanglers of the world.

 

[Section31]

I agree that it seems as though we slow play all in state kids and it seems lately to have bit us. From what I have read and see it looks like we are going to have 3 scholarships, so why not go ahead and offer Richardson (particularly) since it appears as though we should be interested in some of the kids that he plays with- both high school and aau. I am sure that this could pay dividends in the future (insert your own examples). Or if Raney us better than take him. We need some talent and we do not need to get stuck at the end when terrance jones or dorion lamb does not select us.

OU coaches do not slow play kids they think can REALLY play. Of course, some (Godbold/Runnels/Bubba Burcham/etc) turn out and all of a sudden we (fans) think they'll all turn out that way.

Scholarship limits and positional need also figure into this equation, but your point is well made in that THOSE two kids more than likely can play at this level. I would point out, however, not many other D1 schools think they can REALLY play either, so it's not just JC.

 

[Big Old Booger]

No, your point is we should recruit Okla players just because they are Okla kids. Then use kids we did recruit to back up your theory. That makes absolutely no sense. What about Keith Clark and Hardrick? Those are two players in the last 4-5 years. Both from Okla...neither panned out.

MY point is, no one has yet to give me a list of ANY kid we failed to recruit that amounted to much of anything at an equivalent level. THAT says more to me than that JC didn't recruit the Fields/Spanglers of the world.

Nope. My point is, if you have an Oklahoma kid and a east coast kid, both have about the same skill set, take the Oklahoma kid even if he's not ranked.

Rankings don't mean squat. Ask Mack Brown, the recruiting national champion every year.

 

[Section31]

Nope. My point is, if you have an Oklahoma kid and a east coast kid, both have about the same skill set, take the Oklahoma kid even if he's not ranked.

Rankings don't mean squat. Ask Mack Brown, the recruiting national champion every year.

I guess then the difference is, I believe our coach is picking the kid he THINKS has more talent and skill. There's really not any way to tell if he's right unless those kids that leave go play in the same conference as the kids he skipped. Anyway, until someone shows me more than 1 or 2 players we COMPLETELY blew it on (meaning they were a big time contributor at another BCS conf school) then it really doesn't matter. You're simply arguing whether or not we should have one kid sitting on the bench (or transferring) as compared to another. I'm not sure it matters either way in that case.

 

[Big Old Booger]

I guess then the difference is, I believe our coach is picking the kid he THINKS has more talent and skill. There's really not any way to tell if he's right unless those kids that leave go play in the same conference as the kids he skipped. Anyway, until someone shows me more than 1 or 2 players we COMPLETELY blew it on (meaning they were a big time contributor at another BCS conf school) then it really doesn't matter. You're simply arguing whether or not we should have one kid sitting on the bench (or transferring) as compared to another. I'm not sure it matters either way in that case.

Rotnei Clark at Arkansas...would you rather have him or Willie Warren? That's the choice Capel had to make. Clarke has been at Arkansas now 3 years, and will stay until his eligibility is complete. He's not been spectacular, but he starts at a BCS program. Warren played in Norman for 1.5 seasons and was known to be a malcontent. Hindsight tells me we should have taken Clarke, but Taliaferro had a relationship with WW.

That's 1.

Give me time to find another.

 

[campbest]

Rotnei Clark at Arkansas...would you rather have him or Willie Warren? That's the choice Capel had to make. Clarke has been at Arkansas now 3 years, and will stay until his eligibility is complete. He's not been spectacular, but he starts at a BCS program. Warren played in Norman for 1.5 seasons and was known to be a malcontent. Hindsight tells me we should have taken Clarke, but Taliaferro had a relationship with WW.

That's 1.

Give me time to find another.

Still take Willie...we don't make an Elite Eight run without him, sorry. It's not like Rotnie has made Arkansas very good.

 

[Big Old Booger]

Still take Willie...we don't make an Elite Eight run without him, sorry. It's not like Rotnie has made Arkansas very good.

Would last season have been better if we had Clarke and didn't have WW to lead TMG and Tiny astray (as has been rumored on this board)?

Would the program be in better shape now with a Clarke instead of WW?

The elite 8 really has gotten us nothing to speak of so far, so I'm not sure it's been of big value. Besides, I think we get to the elite 8 anyway as none of the teams we played (Morgan State, Michigan and Syracuse) had anybody better or comparable to BG until we met UNC who had a bunch of really good players.

 

[Tony]

The elite 8 really has gotten us nothing to speak of so far, so I'm not sure it's been of big value.

The Elite Eight is the value.

Is there really any evidence that had we not offered Willie Warren, we were a shoo-in to sign Rotnei Clarke? I think not. I certainly am with campbest on this one.