Why was Cade in the game?

[Shooterms]

I never get on here and advertise my credits, but I can say that I have watched, played, and even coached my share of hoops, and I have never witnessed a team leaving their only Sr leader on the bench during crunch time. I can agree with those who question why Cade was not told to go ahead and defend, and let the whistles fall where they may, but those who are asking why he was on the court, don't strike me as being very knowledgable basketball people.

Of course AFTER watching the game we all can see that Cade's attempt to not foul created some easy buckets, but to question why he was in the game at that point is comical.....

How about giving just a little bit of credit to the pokes who continued to go at Cade knowing that he had 4 fouls. Maybe that is the more important question, why don't we do the same when opposing players are in foul trouble??


He was in because: He is our only Sr leader, he is one of the few who have played in Bedlam games that were down to the wire, he is one of our only scoring threats, he is one of our only players who can create his own shot, he is our go to guy when we need a big shot, he has led us in scoring numerous times in the last 2 yrs, he has a knack for getting big rebounds and making big plays, and probably the most Captain Obvious answer is, our other options included Newell, Cam( not present yesterday), and maybe playing with Fitz and CJ in together.....

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[jmizzy4ou]

"I guess the thread should be titled, "why was Cade in the game if he was just going to give up 10 points without even attempting to stop the other player", because thats my beef here. I dont care that he came back in, he should have come back in, but he needs to come in and actually play and not just try to avoid a foul at the expense of layups."
-thebigabd

You must have missed that part.

I did. Sorry.... With all due respect Big, I stoped reading most of what you post around the time Big 12 play commenced. I do believe that you are a very big hoops fan, and I do believe that you know basketball, but IMO I have seen you kind of embrace the role of villian. You only post stuff that other boards would ban you for because it would be considered flamebait.....

I remember when you actually seemed to support OUHoops when Kelvin was coaching. You were very vocal against the posters who attacked all things Sampson if I remember correctly. I understand that you don't like Capel as our coach, and because of that, IMO you have become just like the posters who were only here to bash Sampson and incite the posters who didn't.

I wish that you would return to your old posting style, but I don't/won't lose sleep over what a faceless man/woman does on a message board. I have too much life going on to do that.

I only browsed the thread before posting because it is pretty easy to predict who will say what, just by reading the thread title, and who started it..... Lines are as clearly defined as they were during the pumper vs cletus days, and it is just as stupid/childish as that was, IMO.....

Sorry for the rant.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Simplest post in this thread is the most correct. There were 7 minutes in the game when he checked back in, we don't need 3's at that point...we need stops.

last time I checked, only 6 of cade's 18 points came from 3s. its not like thats all he does out there.

 

[Sooner04]

ABD tends to focus on the negative, I agree, but the guy has been posting on OU BBall boards I've frequented since at least 2004. The same people who dog him are the same ones who used to dog bocabull for his outlandish opinions. It's crazy to question either of their fandoms.

The problem here is that you've got some people on here defending Cade who actually know Cade. Nothing wrong with that but it's personal to them. I have absolutely NO problem with Cade coming back into the game, but I have a BIG problem with leaving him in the game when it's obvious he's unable to defend properly with four fouls. He was a one-man sieve, and it was maddening because we were making offensive plays in that stretch. O-State was not increasing their lead, but they were able to keep us at arm's length because of the easy buckets they were able to get at Cade's expense.

 

[Tony]

ABD tends to focus on the negative, I agree, but the guy has been posting on OU BBall boards I've frequented since at least 2004. The same people who dog him are the same ones who used to dog bocabull for his outlandish opinions. It's crazy to question either of their fandoms.

The problem here is that you've got some people on here defending Cade who actually know Cade. Nothing wrong with that but it's personal to them. I have absolutely NO problem with Cade coming back into the game, but I have a BIG problem with leaving him in the game when it's obvious he's unable to defend properly with four fouls. He was a one-man sieve, and it was maddening because we were making offensive plays in that stretch. O-State was not increasing their lead, but they were able to keep us at arm's length because of the easy buckets they were able to get at Cade's expense.

Sooner04 speaks for me!

 

[Sooner23]

 

[SoonerBounce13]

ABD tends to focus on the negative, I agree, but the guy has been posting on OU BBall boards I've frequented since at least 2004. The same people who dog him are the same ones who used to dog bocabull for his outlandish opinions. It's crazy to question either of their fandoms.

The problem here is that you've got some people on here defending Cade who actually know Cade.

boca always makes weird comments. but i don't think I've ever thought he wasn't an ou fan. can't say the same for big. I'm sure he is, I just think he likes some other programs better.

I'm not sure how you come to the conclusion that proCaders know him?

 

[jmizzy4ou]

ABD tends to focus on the negative, I agree, but the guy has been posting on OU BBall boards I've frequented since at least 2004. The same people who dog him are the same ones who used to dog bocabull for his outlandish opinions. It's crazy to question either of their fandoms.

The problem here is that you've got some people on here defending Cade who actually know Cade. Nothing wrong with that but it's personal to them. I have absolutely NO problem with Cade coming back into the game, but I have a BIG problem with leaving him in the game when it's obvious he's unable to defend properly with four fouls. He was a one-man sieve, and it was maddening because we were making offensive plays in that stretch. O-State was not increasing their lead, but they were able to keep us at arm's length because of the easy buckets they were able to get at Cade's expense.

04, I hope that I didn't come off as if I was dogging ABD because I wasn't. I just stated why I didn't read his response.... I also have been around the various boards since 04. I use to really enjoy ABD's posts, and I wish that he would get back to his insightful and informative basketball posts. Lately he has just made it a crusade to go after Capel, and I'm sure that he understands by now what type of response it will generate, yet he does it ad naseum.......

I would never ask ABD or any other poster to leave the board because 1) its not my place, 2) I wouldn't want to be rude or attack anyone. I have no beef or animosity towards anyone here, but with that said, ABD is quickly earning the venom that gets spit at him, IMO.......

Sorry if I offended anyone, and I'm going to make this my last post on any thread that focuses on a poster, because by posting on it, I have contributed to the negative vibes that board fights generate......

 

[campbest]

last time I checked, only 6 of cade's 18 points came from 3s. its not like thats all he does out there.

Poster on the previous page talked about giving up two points was ok because we were counting on Cade to hit 3's...that was my reference. Half of his shots were three pointers, good chance that was going to be his method at that juncture.

Never did I say he should of held Cade for the rest of the game, just wait until the under four timeout or in that range. IMO, that would of helped us defensively giving up some easy buckets.

 

[campbest]

The problem here is that you've got some people on here defending Cade who actually know Cade. Nothing wrong with that but it's personal to them. I have absolutely NO problem with Cade coming back into the game, but I have a BIG problem with leaving him in the game when it's obvious he's unable to defend properly with four fouls. He was a one-man sieve, and it was maddening because we were making offensive plays in that stretch. O-State was not increasing their lead, but they were able to keep us at arm's length because of the easy buckets they were able to get at Cade's expense.

Solid post, we needed stops.

 

[Shooterms]

I'm a "proCader" and I know him and his family.
My beef on this thread wasn't really about an attack on Cade, though. Cade didn't shine in the last 6 minutes of the game. My beef had more to do with the notion that he shouldn't have been in the game and that it was obvious that he shouldn't have been, as if Capel should have known what was going to happen with him in there.
I get really weary of people pretending, after the fact, that they could have made better decisions. It's foolish most of the time. If you are intellectually honest, you can admit that perhaps the decision was wrong after the fact, but you don't know if your idea would have worked better. The foolishness is that people think that had Cade not been in there, they KNOW we would have had a better chance and that they KNEW that beforehand.
Cade's 4th foul was an absolute travesty. He knew that, and in that compressed period of time when he was actually "in the fire" he played the way he thought he had to. As well, Capel felt like we needed our leader in the game.
It is one thing to say, "well, that didn't work" and still a far cry further to say, incredulously, "why did he do that?" When you add to that the fact that the "why did he do that" poster has demonstrated a negative propensity towards both Capel and Cade, it smacks of bullsh*t.
Frankly, we get blown out of that hellhole without Cade Davis. He defended well for most of the time he was in there, scored prolifically most of the time and kept us in it. Had he not gotten that 4th foul, when he was standing with both feet planted and his back to the Poke, we just might have won. As it was, though, Cade and Capel had to play with the cards dealt. I'm sure they would have loved to have had the benefit of foresight like so many claim to have, but they actually had to play the game.

 

[Shooterms]

ABD tends to focus on the negative, I agree, but the guy has been posting on OU BBall boards I've frequented since at least 2004. The same people who dog him are the same ones who used to dog bocabull for his outlandish opinions. It's crazy to question either of their fandoms.

The problem here is that you've got some people on here defending Cade who actually know Cade. Nothing wrong with that but it's personal to them. I have absolutely NO problem with Cade coming back into the game, but I have a BIG problem with leaving him in the game when it's obvious he's unable to defend properly with four fouls. He was a one-man sieve, and it was maddening because we were making offensive plays in that stretch. O-State was not increasing their lead, but they were able to keep us at arm's length because of the easy buckets they were able to get at Cade's expense.

Couldn't it be possible that one of the reasons we were making offensive plays is because Cade was in there? Even if he wasn't scoring, he was a threat that they had to defend. Perhaps, more of a threat than had someone else been in?

 

[jmizzy4ou]

I'm a "proCader" and I know him and his family.
My beef on this thread wasn't really about an attack on Cade, though. Cade didn't shine in the last 6 minutes of the game. My beef had more to do with the notion that he shouldn't have been in the game and that it was obvious that he shouldn't have been, as if Capel should have known what was going to happen with him in there.
I get really weary of people pretending, after the fact, that they could have made better decisions. It's foolish most of the time. If you are intellectually honest, you can admit that perhaps the decision was wrong after the fact, but you don't know if your idea would have worked better. The foolishness is that people think that had Cade not been in there, they KNOW we would have had a better chance and that they KNEW that beforehand.
Cade's 4th foul was an absolute travesty. He knew that, and in that compressed period of time when he was actually "in the fire" he played the way he thought he had to. As well, Capel felt like we needed our leader in the game.
It is one thing to say, "well, that didn't work" and still a far cry further to say, incredulously, "why did he do that?" When you add to that the fact that the "why did he do that" poster has demonstrated a negative propensity towards both Capel and Cade, it smacks of bullsh*t.
Frankly, we get blown out of that hellhole without Cade Davis. He defended well for most of the time he was in there, scored prolifically most of the time and kept us in it. Had he not gotten that 4th foul, when he was standing with both feet planted and his back to the Poke, we just might have won. As it was, though, Cade and Capel had to play with the cards dealt. I'm sure they would have loved to have had the benefit of foresight like so many claim to have, but they actually had to play the game.

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[Edmond_Sooner]

I thought they needed him in the game, but to play aggressive like he did earlier in the game...I dont know what the conversation was like when Capel put him back in the game, but i would think it would have been about him staying aggressive and making plays...

Other than Fitz he was the only guy i thought could get a shot anytime and make plays...We werent going to win with him on the bench either...

So those that are wondering why he was in the game, would have been wondering why he wasnt in the game when we lose with him on the bench...