You are the coach

[garyeb2]

That is likely because you don't go with the percentages. In poker if you have three of a kind and there is a flush or straight draw on the board, if you make a large enough bet (laying worse pot odds than the odds of the opponent hitting the hand) it doesn't matter if your opponent calls and hits his hand. Your opponent made a mistake and you made the right play. The reason is because if you play the hand an infinite number of times you win money. (There is a second more advanced concept in poker called implied odds but I am going to ignore that for this discussion)

Now basketball. If Hollis takes the shots an infinite number of times, he will make them more often than the next guy on the list. You can't really predict the future so trying to guess when Hollis will miss his 8% versus when the next guy will miss his 12% is not a wise move. All you know with any real certainty is that Hollis will make his shots more often than the next guy on the list.

It is more complicated than that. But, good try non the less.

 

[DenverSooner]

It is more complicated than that. But, good try non the less.

Not much more complicated, especially if you are talking about poker with a beginner.

 

[garyeb2]

Not much more complicated, especially if you are talking about poker with a beginner.

I shouldn't have said anything. Most players don't put much thought into theory. You should have been complimented for that.

 

[DenverSooner]

I shouldn't have said anything. Most players don't put much thought into theory. You should have been complimented for that.

I like poker a lot. I have been playing since 6th or 7th grade. I have read many books on poker. I just don't want to get into a really detailed discussion on a message board about OU basketball. I was trying to keep it simple.

If we lived near each other I would definitely want to play in a game with you.

 

[KBaden145]

That is likely because you don't go with the percentages. In poker if you have three of a kind and there is a flush or straight draw on the board, if you make a large enough bet (laying worse pot odds than the odds of the opponent hitting the hand) it doesn't matter if your opponent calls and hits his hand. Your opponent made a mistake and you made the right play. The reason is because if you play the hand an infinite number of times you win money. (There is a second more advanced concept in poker called implied odds but I am going to ignore that for this discussion)

Now basketball. If Hollis takes the shots an infinite number of times, he will make them more often than the next guy on the list. You can't really predict the future so trying to guess when Hollis will miss his 8% versus when the next guy will miss his 12% is not a wise move. All you know with any real certainty is that Hollis will make his shots more often than the next guy on the list.

Some of what you is true and, honestly, obvious. How good I might be at poker has nothing to do with who I would put at the line in a critical situation. I picked a guy who I thought was clutch enough to handle it. Happens to be the same guy who holds our school record for FT %, which I did not know. I didn't say I wouldn't look at % at all. It just wouldn't be the only thing I would consider. Say I had kid on the team shooting a higher % at the line to that point in the season but he was a back-up playing half the minutes Hollis was getting. According to you and playing %, I want that other dude up there in a critical time. Nope, sorry and I wouldn't think too much about it. I want someone there who shoots a good % but is also not going to be overwhelmed by the situation.


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[KBaden145]

You are looking at who is better at getting to the line, not hitting the free throws.

End of game who gets the ball is a different question and I might say Nolan Johnson but Corey Brewer is certainly a guy in that discussion.

Like comparing Granny Smith apples to Red Delicious apples.


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[DenverSooner]

Some of what you is true and, honestly, obvious. How good I might be at poker has nothing to do with who I would put at the line in a critical situation. I picked a guy who I thought was clutch enough to handle it. Happens to be the same guy who holds our school record for FT %, which I did not know. I didn't say I wouldn't look at % at all. It just wouldn't be the only thing I would consider. Say I had kid on the team shooting a higher % at the line to that point in the season but he was a back-up playing half the minutes Hollis was getting. According to you and playing %, I want that other dude up there in a critical time. Nope, sorry and I wouldn't think too much about it. I want someone there who shoots a good % but is also not going to be overwhelmed by the situation.


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I was just kidding you about poker. When you said you weren't very good, I was just trying to help you out a little by using an example that was solid poker advice but could be used in our discussion. I completely agree that our skills at poker don't have a lot to do with the topic. None of it was meant as an insult.

 

[CMSOONER]

Nate Erdmann

 

[earlpearl]

Hollis had ice in his veins. I always admired that kid. He was at OU like 10 years or something.

 

[Chiefdaddy]

Hollis Price, Ryan Minor, or Brent Price.

 

[coolm]

Hollis obviously.

I would say Ontjes no matter if he missed 3 against Mizzou or not. That guy had ice water in his body and he was taking hot FT's all the time.

I would trust either he or Hollis to hit a FT to save my life.

 

[Dave4OU]

Hollis Price

Other good ones were Tim Heskett, Brent Price, Nate Carter, David Little

 

[w0lfe]

Man I loved those jerseys that Brewer has in that picture. On the other hand, it has to be hollis. Didn't he have a streak of 90 or so free throws in a row at some point