#1 Seeds to be Announced next week

[womenssports]

Why do you talk about regionals vs first and second round games.....am I missing something?

I don't think OU gets A REGIONAL at all and might get a first and second round game.....not sure.

 

[sybarite]

Go back to why I said they were doing this. I used the term, "regional." I think they call it sub-regional. They are choosing the first and second round sites. If you look at the NCAA site, the regional sites were chosen six months ago. They want the twenty best sites for rounds one and two---for their purposes. I have bolded the sites that I think are certain. There are ten of them.

I think OU is probably #11 or #12.

 

[Sweetest OU Girl]

will add this is the RPI rankings as of today:
RANK PREVIOUS SCHOOL CONFERENCE RECORD ROAD NEUTRAL HOME NON-DI
1 1 Tennessee Southeastern 19-3 6-3 0-0 13-0 0-0
2 2 Notre Dame Atlantic Coast 22-2 7-1 1-0 14-1 0-0
3 3 Baylor Big 12 21-1 6-1 2-0 13-0 0-0
4 5 South Carolina Southeastern 22-0 8-0 4-0 10-0 0-0
5 6 Iowa Big Ten 18-4 4-3 1-1 13-0 0-0
6 4 Maryland Big Ten 20-2 8-1 1-1 11-0 0-0
7 8 UConn AAC 21-1 7-1 5-0 9-0 0-0
8 7 Louisville Atlantic Coast 19-3 6-2 0-0 13-1 0-0
9 10 Arizona St. Pac-12 20-2 7-0 2-1 11-1 0-0
10 9 Oregon St. Pac-12 20-1 6-1 4-0 9-0 1-0
11 12 Duke Atlantic Coast 17-6 4-5 0-0 13-1 0-0
12 11 Kentucky Southeastern 17-5 4-3 2-1 11-1 0-0
13 13 Florida St. Atlantic Coast 21-2 6-1 4-1 11-0 0-0
14 14 Dayton Atlantic 10 17-4 8-3 1-0 8-1 0-0
15 16 Princeton Ivy 19-0 10-0 4-0 5-0 0-0
16 18 Washington Pac-12 16-6 6-5 3-0 7-1 0-0
17 17 North Carolina Atlantic Coast 18-5 5-2 4-0 9-3 0-0
18 15 George Washington Atlantic 10 20-2 8-1 2-0 9-1 1-0
19 20 South Fla. AAC 18-4 6-2 3-1 9-1 0-0
20 21 Chattanooga Southern 20-3 8-2 2-0 10-1 0-0
21 22 Stanford Pac-12 17-5 6-2 1-1 10-2 0-0
22 19 FGCU Atlantic Sun 20-2 6-1 4-1 9-0 1-0
23 25 Oklahoma Big 12 14-7 4-5 1-2 9-0 0-0

How many of you believe UConn will not get a top 4 seed?

How many believe 5 Atlantic Coast teams will host but only one Big-12 team?

etc.

By the way, there are a host of different RPI rankings floating around.

 

[sybarite]

Are we communicating at all? Are you addressing the fact that they are going to MAKE the decisions for the top 20 for the first and second rounds NEXT WEDNESDAY. AND I looked at the RPI and posted it. OU IS no 23 as of today. Beating KSU is going to raise them for WED.?

I repeat. Forget the rankings or rpi. The committee doesn't use them at the end of the year, and that is not what they will use now. Their "rpi" will probably have OU in the top fifteen, now and then.

 

[womenssports]

Read completely through article and as far as regionals and final four, they were already determined so:

The regional rounds will still be held at pre-determined locations -- Oklahoma City, Spokane, Wash., Albany, N.Y., and Greensboro, N.C. -- followed by the Final Four in Tampa.

 

[womenssports]

I repeat. Forget the rankings or rpi. The committee doesn't use them at the end of the year, and that is not what they will use now. Their "rpi" will probably have OU in the top fifteen, now and then.

I don't think they will have OU as a top 15 in rpi now...maybe at the end. You were the one that said the rpi is what they use or am I mistaken?

 

[sybarite]

I thought I said to forget the rpi and rankings, at least what they are now? I think they will pick as I said, venues. That fits what they are trying to accomplish. I may be wrong. But, I think the committee would have OU in its top fifteen right now, as a venue that will be # 2 in #1, likely one of the top fifteen seeds when they are making their final cuts. I think they see that now.

 

[KCRuf/Nek]

from the article:
"These 20 teams will host the first- and second-round games, so the reveal will give the schools the opportunity to plan and make necessary arrangements to host"

Again, the seedings are not set in stone, they are just the seedings now so they can go ahead and arrange the schools who host the the first and second round games. Well, that is the way I read it

I read it and understand but IMO it's a bit early for anything.

 

[Stringmusic]

Syb is right. This is all about putting butts in the seats. In addition to gate revenue, these games are televised and it is embarrassing to the NCAA to see only 1200 people at a 1st round or 2nd round game - and I have seen that happen. OU has a relatively great attendance record when hosting. OU's performing at #2 in the top conference and OU's post season attendance performance will be very helpful.

 

[womenssports]

I thought I said to forget the rpi and rankings, at least what they are now? I think they will pick as I said, venues. That fits what they are trying to accomplish. I may be wrong. But, I think the committee would have OU in its top fifteen right now, as a venue that will be # 2 in #1, likely one of the top fifteen seeds when they are making their final cuts. I think they see that now.

Okay, I get what you are saying. (communicating on the internet is confusing, especially when posting at the same time) I doubt that the committee will have OU as one of its top 15 seeds now, but we won't know since they are not seeding anyone now but the top four. The other 16 will be seeds in no particular order AND like you said, it will be about putting people in seats so OU gets in the top 20 AND gets to host first and second round games.

Now, as far as OU being in the top 15 at the end. I think they have a shot but there are a lot of good teams above them who have done better. I WANT them to be ranked high but NO at this point, I do not think they are as good as a number of teams above them....using ranking or rpi or any other method. I also do not think that THIS YEAR the Big 12 is the number one conference nor did I believe that last year. The Big 10 and the ACC and possibly the PAC 12 are all better than Big 12 this year. (shouldn't have to say this but will..this is just my opinion realize many may feel differently..it isn't a big deal to me, just a discussion......AND will apologize because of the way we were posting so quickly before, I became a bit competitive and was like trying to WIN an argument, instead of just reaching the best conclusion...and that was immature on my part)

 

[YCN]

Obviously, they are releasing a list of 20 teams, of which only 16 will be hosting the 1st and 2nd rounds. Four teams times 16 subregionals equals the entire tournament field of 64.

It seems entirely too early to do this. Many of the most important games of the season have yet to be played.

 

[SoonerNorm]

Obviously, they are releasing a list of 20 teams, of which only 16 will be hosting the 1st and 2nd rounds. Four teams times 16 subregionals equals the entire tournament field of 64.

It seems entirely too early to do this. Many of the most important games of the season have yet to be played.

Amen!

 

[sybarite]

They are simply doing this for practical reasons. They made the decision last year that they would use a host for the first and second round games, trying to have a local team participate at the site for attendance purposes. So, they pick twenty teams that might be seeded, logically.

Next step is that the twenty sites they pick now have the time to do some preparation, like print tickets, etc. The regional sites have had a year to make these preparations. The first and second round sites will have what---a month or so? Four of these sites will print tickets and prepare, but will NOT be used. That ought to tick some folks off.

I strongly suspect that the sites will be UConn and the members of BCS conferences. I doubt that they would award a site to Princeton or Chattanooga. Would they even have attendance if they were in the site?

Now, why is the Big Twelve #1? The realtimerpi rates them as #1 in both strength and SOS as of now. A lot of teams have nice records, but they have played nobody. We think that OSU plays nobody. There schedule was tough compared to some, like Mississippi State. The worst Big Twelve SOS rating is #79 Texas Tech. The SEC has Mississippi State and Florida at 101 and 112. The ACC has Miami 83, Wake Forest 88, VPI 90, and Virginia 124. These rankings come after having played about ten conference games. Oklahoma State is at 90. Every other Big Twelve team is no worse than 43. The ACC and SEC have a lot of teams ranked higher than 43.

The Big Twelve did play a lot of games against the top thirty in the rpi:
Tennessee----Texas won
Notre Dame---Kansas lost
Iowa----Iowa State lost
Kentucky----beat OU (fraud) and Baylor
Duke---OU lost
North Carolina---beat OSU by two
Washington---OU won
South Florida--OU lost
Stanford--Texas won
California--Kansas won
Texas A&M---TExas won, TCU lost
Syracuse---Baylor won

That's fourteen games against top thirty teams with six wins.

 

[womenssports]

Now, why is the Big Twelve #1? The realtimerpi rates them as #1 in both strength and SOS as of now. A lot of teams have nice records, but they have played nobody. We think that OSU plays nobody. There schedule was tough compared to some, like Mississippi State. The worst Big Twelve SOS rating is #79 Texas Tech. The SEC has Mississippi State and Florida at 101 and 112. The ACC has Miami 83, Wake Forest 88, VPI 90, and Virginia 124. These rankings come after having played about ten conference games. Oklahoma State is at 90. Every other Big Twelve team is no worse than 43. The ACC and SEC have a lot of teams ranked higher than 43.

Syb, would you provide me a link for that because what I have found does not bear out what you are saying?

 

[sybarite]

Syb, would you provide me a link for that because what I have found does not bear out what you are saying?

http://www.realtimerpi.com/rpi_Women.html

 

[womenssports]

Thanks for the link, Syb. I need to study and see what I am missing. Won't have time for a couple of days but then might want to discuss and/or ask you
questions.

 

[womenssports]

I read it and understand but IMO it's a bit early for anything.

Okay, thought you were saying something else. Early? I thought so too. I guess I can see the need for it, but maybe wait until the 20th. The biggest upside I see to knowing early is to get people from the surrounding area of a site into the seats. Market it well and if you do not get one of the sites, well still maybe you have raised interest in the women's NCAA tournament. I am just not sure what the prospective teams who receive the sites are going to do re: marketing.

 

[sybarite]

http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-women/d1/ncaa-womens-basketball-rpi

So. OU is now #15 in the NCAA women's rpi, straight from the NCAA site.
Of course, this is a mistake. They have the men's rankings instead of the women's. It was exciting for a moment.

But, one of the teams ahead of us in the rpi, Dayton, did fall for the second time to George Washington. It is curious that Dayton was rated this highly, given their schedule. They did beat Vandy and Purdue, probably their signature wins. We will start seeing some things shake out as the conference seasons finish. Kentucky and North Carolina are in battles at halftime against Vandy and VPI on the road. Boston College beat Duke in Boston, but Notre Dame is showing how absurd that was with a 51-24 halftime lead over the Eagles. Might be an interesting day.

 

[jerry]

Obviously, they are releasing a list of 20 teams, of which only 16 will be hosting the 1st and 2nd rounds. Four teams times 16 subregionals equals the entire tournament field of 64.

It seems entirely too early to do this. Many of the most important games of the season have yet to be played.

Agree way too early!

 

[sybarite]

Agree way too early!

You have to remember why they are doing this.

1. They are not actually trying to rank teams this early for purposes of seeding.

2. They are trying to select twenty teams to act as hosts of first and second round games which might be seeded in the top four seeds with the intent of having a "home team" for the first rounds in order to increase attendance.

It costs money to have a game when nobody comes. In the "olden days," they used to let the highest seeded team host the first round games. This was considered a distinct unfairness by the favored teams. So, they went to neutral sites. Unfortunately, nobody comes to the games if there is no local team. So, they are going back to having teams that they hope will be seeded to act as hosts. The NIT survives that way.