11/8/2010 Predict the Big 12 thread

[Sam]

With the season tipping off tonight, lets get a final look before the any games are played.

My picks

1. Kansas State
2. Kansas
3. Baylor
4. Mizzou
5. Oklahoma St
6. Texas
7. Texas A&M
8. Oklahoma
9. Colorado
10. Texas Tech
11. Nebraska
12. Iowa St

 

[thebigabd]

1.) Kansas
2.) Missouri
3.) Oklahoma State
4.) Kansas State
5.) Texas
6.) Baylor
7.) Texas Tech
8.) Colorado
9.) Texas A&M
10.) Nebraska
11.) Iowa State
12.) Oklahoma

 

[Sooner_In_MI]

1) Kansas
2) Kansas State
3) Missouri
4) Oklahoma State
5) Texas
6) Colorado
7) Baylor
8) Texas A&M
9) Oklahoma
10) Texas Tech
11) Nebraska
12) Iowa State

 

[BigTime]

Answer Key:

1. Kansas State
2. Kansas
3. Baylor
4. Texas
5. A&M
6. Mizzou
7. Oklahoma
8. Colorado
9. Oklahoma State
10. Texas Tech
11. Nebraska
12. Iowa St

 

[Sooner23]

1. Kansas State
2. Kansas
3. Baylor
4. Texas
5. Mizzou
6. Oklahoma State
7. Texas A&M
8. Colorado
9. Texas Tech
10. Nebraska
11. Oklahoma
12. Iowa State

 

[boksooner]

1. Kansas State
2. Kansas
3. Baylor
4. Mizzou
5. Texas A&M
6. Oklahoma State
7. Texas
8. Texas Tech
9. Oklahoma
10. Nebraska
11. Colorado*
12. Iowa State

Apparently, I think losing Harris-Tunks is going to hurt Colorado more than other people do.

 

[Krugerfan52]

If every game went as is was supposed to with the better home team winning and bad teams losing on the road and home court being the deciding factor between similar teams, this is how I think it would go.
1. Kansas 13-3
2. Kansas St 11-5
3. Baylor 10-6
4. Texas 10-6
5. Missouri 9-7
6. OSU 8-8
7. Texas Tech 7-9
8. Texas A&M 7-9
9. Colorado 7-9
10. OU 6-10
11. Nebraska 5-11
12. Iowa State 3-13

But that's never how it works out. Somebody always dissapoints and somebody surprises. Hopefully OU will surprise, at least a little. My prediction to dissapoint is Baylor. I could see them falling apart like they did a couple of years ago when they went to the NIT. Guess we'll see. I could also see Texas Tech having a strong year since Roberson and Singletary are seniors. I thought ABD jumped the gun the past 2 years on them. To me, this is their year, if it ever will be.

 

[Krugerfan52]

1. Kansas State
2. Kansas
3. Baylor
4. Texas
5. Mizzou
6. Oklahoma State
7. Texas A&M
8. Colorado
9. Texas Tech
10. Nebraska
11. Iowa State
12. Oklahoma*

* Flame away, hope like hell I'm wrong.

OU could easily finish 11th, but there is NO WAY they finish behind Iowa State. Iowa state may be one of the worst teams in the Big 12 in a long time. Not only that, but the North, which is 2/3rd of their schedule is very strong with Kansas, Kansas State and Missouri all capable of sweeping ISU.

 

[Sooner23]

OU could easily finish 11th, but there is NO WAY they finish behind Iowa State. Iowa state may be one of the worst teams in the Big 12 in a long time. Not only that, but the North, which is 2/3rd of their schedule is very strong with Kansas, Kansas State and Missouri all capable of sweeping ISU.

You have convinced me. I'm going to move OU up to 11th.

 

[thebigabd]

OU could easily finish 11th, but there is NO WAY they finish behind Iowa State. Iowa state may be one of the worst teams in the Big 12 in a long time. Not only that, but the North, which is 2/3rd of their schedule is very strong with Kansas, Kansas State and Missouri all capable of sweeping ISU.

You are right about the schedule advantage that OU has over ISU, but I wouldnt be so quick to assume that OU is better than them.

Its a pretty even matchup, with ISU being better at point guard and in the paint. I think Ejim and Clark are a push, and the shooting guards are a push as well. I really cant point to an area where OU has an advantage.

 

[Sam]

I think Ejim and Clark are a push

A push? A push, really?

Since at this point all we have is their high school and various accolades to go off. Unless you had seen both in person I don't know how they can be called a push.

Cameron's resume
Top 5 player in Texas
Ranked as nation's No. 32 recruit by ESPN, No. 34 by Rivals.com and No. 39 by Scout.com ... Regarded as country's fifth-best small forward by Rivals.com and sixth-best by ESPN and Scout.com

Averaged 23.7 points, 9.0 rebounds, 3.3 assists and 1.7 steals as a senior
Averaged 21.0 points, 7.5 rebounds, 2.0 assists and 1.6 steals per game as a junior

Recruited by - Marquette, Oklahoma St, Arizona, Kansas and Kentucky


Melvin Ejim's resume
Ranked as the 16th-best small forward in the class of 2010 according to ESPN.com
2010 New Hampshire Gatorade Player of the Year honor
Ranked as the eighth-best prospect in New England by the New England Recruiting Report and is listed as a top-10 prospect out of Canada

Prepped at St. Mary’s Ryken where he made the 2007 Provincial team before transferring to Brewster Academy in New Hampshire
Averaged 13.1 points, 7.5 rebounds, 3.0 steals and 2.5 assists in his final year at Brewster

Recruited by - Boston College, Providence, UNLV, Colorado and Butler.


So what is that you have seen from Eljim and what is it that you haven't seen from Cameron that a ton of people have missed?

 

[boksooner]

So what is that you have seen from Eljim and what is it that you haven't seen from Cameron that a ton of people have missed?

Cam plays for OU

 

[thebigabd]

Well, they are both tall, athletic wing players. Ejim is more "Big 12 ready", being 215 pounds and a year older. 20-30 pounds bigger can be a big deal.. Talent and ability only, they just seem like similar players. Ejim looks bigger and stronger, Cam looks like a better shooter, they look similar in terms of athletic ability and ballhandling. So, I call it a push.

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Also, sure, you could say "Cameron averaged 24 a game in Sherman, TX", but you could also say "Ejim averaged 13/8 on a team loaded with D1 players and won a prep national championship"...

In their openers Ejim had 13 points, 4 rebounds, 4 steals, 1 assist, and 1 block and they won by 50... Clark had 9 points, 4 rebounds, and 1 steal. Those stats are more just FYI, because the exhibition games generally arent a good indicator for who is going to be better than who.

I think they are both really good.. When I say Ejim and Clark are a push I don't mean to knock Clark.

Are you saying its not possible that Ejim is as good as Clark? Lets just keep track of them. Like you said, we don't know a whole lot about them yet. I could be way off base here. Clark may explode and Ejim may not be as good as I think he will be. I think they will both be very good though.

 

[boksooner]

Well, they are both tall, athletic wing players. Ejim is more "Big 12 ready", being 215 pounds and a year older. 20-30 pounds bigger can be a big deal.. Talent and ability only, they just seem like similar players. Ejim looks bigger and stronger, Cam looks like a better shooter, they look similar in terms of athletic ability and ballhandling. So, I call it a push.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIAPn5pKMoA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aladf1ZCqxE

Also, sure, you could say "Cameron averaged 24 a game in Sherman, TX", but you could also say "Ejim averaged 13/8 on a team loaded with D1 players and won a prep national championship"...

In their openers Ejim had 13 points, 4 rebounds, 4 steals, 1 assist, and 1 block and they won by 50... Clark had 9 points, 4 rebounds, and 1 steal. Those stats are more just FYI, because the exhibition games generally arent a good indicator for who is going to be better than who.

I think they are both really good.. When I say Ejim and Clark are a push I don't mean to knock Clark.

Are you saying its not possible that Ejim is as good as Clark? Lets just keep track of them. Like you said, we don't know a whole lot about them yet. I could be way off base here. Clark may explode and Ejim may not be as good as I think he will be. I think they will both be very good though.

FYI, this is why people don't like your posting style. You are willing to give every benefit of the doubt to a non-OU player, despite evidence to the contrary. When someone does the same thing regarding an OU player, you argue with them tooth and nail.

 

[thebigabd]

You are willing to give every benefit of the doubt to a non-OU player, despite evidence to the contrary. When someone does the same thing regarding an OU player, you argue with them tooth and nail.

I am giving both Ejim and Clark the benefit of the doubt. My entire point is that they are a push, they are equally good, young, promising players. I didnt pimp Ejim and pull Clark down at all. I stated several times that they are both going to be very good.

Is that an issue?

 

[boksooner]

I am giving both Ejim and Clark the benefit of the doubt. My entire point is that they are a push, they are equally good, young, promising players. I didnt pimp Ejim and pull Clark down at all. I stated several times that they are both going to be very good.

Is that an issue?

No, but the body of evidence would suggest that Clark is considerably more talented than Ejim. Talent evaluators across the country would agree with that statement. You ignore all that and say that because of Ejim's age and weight, he's as good as Clark. If the rankings/stats were reversed, you would say that Ejim is clearly the better player.

 

[Sam]

Lol, then how come many of the people who have seen them play (ESPN, Rivals and Scouts) have Cam ranked so much higher than Ejim?

How come so many big schools showed so much interest in Cam and yet not so much in in Ejim?

You're at the very least pimping Ejim quite a bit, because I doubt many level headed ISU fans would be saying coming into the year that Ejim is as good as Cam.

That would be the same if they had somehow kept Harrison Barnes at home and I would be calling Cameron a push with him. I would be a homer as all other signs point to Harrison clearly being better than Cam. .

 

[thebigabd]

No, but the body of evidence would suggest that Clark is considerably more talented than Ejim. Talent evaluators across the country would agree with that statement. You ignore all that and say that because of Ejim's age and weight, he's as good as Clark. If the rankings/stats were reversed, you would say that Ejim is clearly the better player.

Well, the body of evidence is often wrong and misguided. Wally Judge was a MCDAA last year and he sucked... Perry Jones was the #1 recruit in the country for a time, and he averaged 12 points and 8 rebounds per game and is the 6th or 7th best player on their team right now, etc.

Alec Burks was a 3 star who didnt even get an offer from his hometown school and he was the Freshman of the Year for Colorado last year. Players like that come into the Big 12 and EVERY conference every single year. This year, it could be Melvin Ejim.

Age, physical size, and athletic ability are all important factors I would think.

Ejim is bigger, stronger, older. Clark is smoother and more skilled. They are both 6'6'', they are both big time athletes, they have both been recognized as good players, they both are starters for Big 12 teams right off the bat, etc.

I don't think I am even coming close to reaching on anything regarding those two in this thread.

Are you saying that I am flat out wrong about something regarding Ejim or Clark?

I don't understand why saying they are a push is bad if they are both really good.

 

[Sooner23]

 

[Sawyer]

Answer Key:

1. Kansas State
2. Kansas
3. Baylor
4. Texas
5. A&M
6. Mizzou
7. Oklahoma
8. Colorado
9. Oklahoma State
10. Texas Tech
11. Nebraska
12. Iowa St

My favorite so far.