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5-8 Jr Odyssey Sims
6-2 Sr Mariah Chandler
6-1 Soph Alexis Prince
6-0 Soph Chardonnae Fuqua
6-5 Soph Kristina Higgins
5-8 Soph Niya Johnson
5-9 Sr Mackenzie Robertson
6-4 Jr Sune Azbuke

Freshmen
6-4 Khadijah Cave
6-1 Nina Davis
5-10 Breanna Hayden
5-11 Imani Wright
 
sybarite said:
5-8 Jr Odyssey Sims
6-2 Sr Mariah Chandler
6-1 Soph Alexis Prince
6-0 Soph Chardonnae Fuqua
6-5 Soph Kristina Higgins
5-8 Soph Niya Johnson
5-9 Sr Mackenzie Robertson
6-4 Jr Sune Azbuke

Freshmen
6-4 Khadijah Cave
6-1 Nina Davis
5-10 Breanna Hayden
5-11 Imani Wright
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Sims will be a senior next year, not a junior. It looks like Mulkey has some tall girls in the wings, with a 6-5 and two 6-4 players.
 
I thought their self-imposed penalties of losing 2 scholarships ended this past year. If so, why do they only have 12 players on the roster?
 
tycat947 said:
I thought their self-imposed penalties of losing 2 scholarships ended this past year. If so, why do they only have 12 players on the roster?
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It is kind of weird but all Big 12 teams have 12 on scholarship which is 3 below the limit. That is what happened to OU this year when 4 got hurt. OU was down to 8.

I think they ought to be required to have at least 14 or the limit to comply with Title IX which I support.
 
Speedy17 said:
It is kind of weird but all Big 12 teams have 12 on scholarship which is 3 below the limit. That is what happened to OU this year when 4 got hurt. OU was down to 8.

I think they ought to be required to have at least 14 or the limit to comply with Title IX which I support.
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I really believe that carrying the full complement of 15 or (14) girls on the roster can prove to be a disincentive to the players, which is probably why most schools only carry 12 or 13.
I mean, most good players want to play, not sit on the bench and be cheerleaders.
Second-string? Yeah, you're one injury away. But 3rd string, and only getting in for mop-up . . . not too many players are too hot for that idea...
 
I agree that every team need to fill their scholarship requirement every year, especially with the physical play in this conference to prevent having a minimal bench at the end of the year due to injury. We are gonna need all the help we can get next year, especially in the 4 and 5 position. Higgins has potential with some weight loss to improve stamina. I think that we are pretty solid with the guards with O moving to the wing allowing her to score more and Niya at PG. Also, Breanna is supposed to be a better shooter from 3 than her sister Nae Nae Hayden. Prince with the additional playing time will continue to improve and get more aggressive offensively and our lockout defender on the wing like Morrow a few years back. I dunno much about the freshmen coming in cuz you really can't judge until you've seen them play at the college level, unless you are a phenom like BG and O. Either way it's gonna be a loooooooong and interesting season!
 
BlackwellSooner said:
I really believe that carrying the full complement of 15 or (14) girls on the roster can prove to be a disincentive to the players, which is probably why most schools only carry 12 or 13.
I mean, most good players want to play, not sit on the bench and be cheerleaders.
Second-string? Yeah, you're one injury away. But 3rd string, and only getting in for mop-up . . . not too many players are too hot for that idea...
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Playing time is a dilemma for any coach. If a coach only goes 8 deep, having 12 on the roster doesn't eliminate the fact that some are still going to ride the bench except for mop-up duty. In my opinion, if you have good players on the bench, play them. There are games in which you are struggling to win in which reserves will not get in the game much but there are always some games in which coaches keep starters in too long, IMO.

Playing reserves builds for the future and makes them feel more like a valuable part of the team. It also is more fun for fans to watch the team win by 15 when the reserves got plenty of playing time rather than win by 40 when the reserves only got in the last 3 minutes of the game. If you don't have good players on the bench, why? Is it an evaluation problem, lack of player development, or did you just take leftovers that others didn't want? That seems to be a coaching problem to me.

I still think that redshirting is a missed opportunity with many of these girls. Look at how many great football players Stoops talks into redshirting when I'm pretty sure they would much rather have a chance to play their freshmen year rather than taking a pounding in practice holding a workout dummy. But, ultimately it sure seems to pay off for the team as well as the player even though some will leave after their junior year so we may only get to see them play a short time. That would allow a coach to have a roster of 15, redshirt 2-3 girls (you can always pull their redshirt if injuries or transfers take a toll) and still continue to have 12 or so for normal duty.
 
There is no incentive of "take a redshirt year and make yourself more valuable in the NFL draft" to dangle in front of women basketball players.
 
SoonerShamrock said:
There is no incentive of "take a redshirt year and make yourself more valuable in the NFL draft" to dangle in front of women basketball players.
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How about, help the team build for the future, use that year to get stronger and improve your skills, work toward a masters. I would think those things should have some appeal unless they are selfishly just looking out for themselves in the immediate future.
 
I suppose in the case of the Sooners, we'd have to get where we had too many players to get 'em all "sufficient" playing time, rather than just 12, before this comes anything other than an academic discussion.
 
SoonerNorm said:
How about, help the team build for the future, use that year to get stronger and improve your skills, work toward a masters. I would think those things should have some appeal unless they are selfishly just looking out for themselves in the immediate future.
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Think about what you're asking. These are players good enough to be recruited by D-I programs, so they've probably been one of the best players on their team their entire life. Now you're asking them not to play for an entire year. That's hard enough for injured players to do, let alone healthy ones. Have you ever talked to one of the football players that redshirts? It's hard for them and they have the incentive of the NFL.

How about when they get injured? If we had redshirted Kaylon last year, she could not have redshirted this year. She would have just lost a year of her eligibility. There's just not enough incentive for them to do it.

Redshirts were designed for athletes that get injured early in a season (or offseason). Taking a redshirt when you're not injured is gambling that you won't get injured later in your career.
 
AustinTXSooner said:
Think about what you're asking. These are players good enough to be recruited by D-I programs, so they've probably been one of the best players on their team their entire life. Now you're asking them not to play for an entire year. That's hard enough for injured players to do, let alone healthy ones. Have you ever talked to one of the football players that redshirts? It's hard for them and they have the incentive of the NFL.

How about when they get injured? If we had redshirted Kaylon last year, she could not have redshirted this year. She would have just lost a year of her eligibility. There's just not enough incentive for them to do it.

Redshirts were designed for athletes that get injured early in a season (or offseason). Taking a redshirt when you're not injured is gambling that you won't get injured later in your career.
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I don't know how all of that works but some players get additional years under a hardship ruling. As I recall, Jason White was on a scholarship for 6 years.
 
SoonerNorm said:
I don't know how all of that works but some players get additional years under a hardship ruling. As I recall, Jason White was on a scholarship for 6 years.
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I think (and emphasis on think, here) that the normal rule is 5 years to play 4. That is, from the time you start, you have 5 school years to use 4 years of eligibility. So that first redshirt is pretty automatic. Under special circumstances, you can apply to the NCAA to extend the 5 year limit. So Jason, with 2 injuries was able to get 6 years to play 4. Another similar case was Jamie Carey, who after playing 2 years at Stanford had such severe concussion that she thought her career was over. She sat out 2 years, then transferred to Texas, who cleared her to play, and she played her remaining 2 years there.
 
SoonerNorm said:
I don't know how all of that works but some players get additional years under a hardship ruling. As I recall, Jason White was on a scholarship for 6 years.
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You have to miss significant parts of two different years in which you did NOT redshirt.

Jason White redshirted his true freshman year, then in two different seasons, he tore the ACL in each knee. That was how he got the 6th year.
 
badger said:
Why can't she (Odyssey Sims) graduate. Doesn't Baylor graduate their players? Apparently not :mad:;)
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She's just a junior, with three years at Baylor. Why should she be graduating? :confused:
 
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