Oklahoma at Kansas State, 7:00 Sat., 1/5

I won't get into Colton since I didn't see any reason to approve of Mike Stoops after the Florida State game of 2000, and I'm not particularly impressed by what I perceive as the efforts of JT Gasso. I don't really know what Gasso and Colton Coale contribute. Not a matter for discussion unless you actually know.

I was disappointed by the Kansas State game. But, at least I saw the game. I'm not sure many did.

Given the history of K State this year, I probably would have let them shoot from outside all night long. They haven't hit those all year. Even after they hit a couple, you would probably be exercising bad judgement to waste your defensive efforts guarding them at the three-point line. Sometimes, teams just have one of those games. K State hit them. They had to stop it sometime. They kept hitting them. They can't keep it up. They kept it up.

K State isn't even that good from two. I wondered if they were ever going to miss a two-point shot. They hit 63% at halftime, and they weren't cripples. They were hitting legitimate shots, the type they can't hit, hadn't hit all year. It happens.

They got ahead 10-0. We actually made a run and pulled within four, 15-11, I think. But, a couple of turnovers that were really stupid, a couple of strange calls, and a couple of threes, and K State never looked back. Every time we got a mini-run of maybe six points, they hit a three, or we had a turnover. Some of the turnovers were suspect calls. We were called for traveling in questionable situations, or moving screens, or charges, or 3-second calls. But, some of our turnovers were just plain dumb. Think.

I think Shaina started the game and the second half. Both times, I think she was pulled after about a minute, and Ana was inserted. Ana played well, and smart. She was the only one who did---the only one. taylor and Jessi were passable. Shaina and Mandy had bad nights. I have no clue what happened to Madi.

The K State announcing crew kept saying what great defense K State was playing. Not true. We couldn't make a shot in an open court. They guarded the three point line. But, they left everything from five to twenty feet pretty much open. We got there at will. But, we didn't shoot when we got there. We were tentative, hesitant, uncertain, incompetent. It's like we feared shooting from ten. We kept trying to set up the three or a layup. Couldn't. Our passing wasn't that crisp. Mostly, we didn't move. We passed the ball around a zone. When we penetrated, we passed rather than shoot. Horrid night of decisions.

We ran into a situation that won't happen often. K-State could have challenged UConn on this one night. They hit shots that UConn didn't. They hit everything. It all worked for them. Three nights earlier, they had lost by 38. They made up for it.

I don't know that there was much to learn from this. We got lost early in the game. We put out effort. We actually outrebounded K State for the first three quarters, despite the fact that we were the ones missing the shots. We got all of the hustle balls in the first half, probably three quarters. We just didn't do anything with it when we got it.

Freshmen played like freshmen, as did a couple of sophs. EJ was in for about ten minutes. One rebound. Did absolutely nothing. Four OU players under the rim, including EJ. One K State player would sneak in and grab the rebound because EJ just stood there taking up space. I think she earned a permanent spot on the bench. No value whatsoever.

It just happens. Wonder how K-State would have fared against Notre Dame or UConn on this one night? They aren't that good. I remember once hitting seven straight shots. I wasn't that good.
 
I won't get into Colton since I didn't see any reason to approve of Mike Stoops after the Florida State game of 2000, and I'm not particularly impressed by what I perceive as the efforts of JT Gasso. I don't really know what Gasso and Colton Coale contribute. Not a matter for discussion unless you actually know.

I was disappointed by the Kansas State game. But, at least I saw the game. I'm not sure many did.

Given the history of K State this year, I probably would have let them shoot from outside all night long. They haven't hit those all year. Even after they hit a couple, you would probably be exercising bad judgement to waste your defensive efforts guarding them at the three-point line. Sometimes, teams just have one of those games. K State hit them. They had to stop it sometime. They kept hitting them. They can't keep it up. They kept it up.

K State isn't even that good from two. I wondered if they were ever going to miss a two-point shot. They hit 63% at halftime, and they weren't cripples. They were hitting legitimate shots, the type they can't hit, hadn't hit all year. It happens.

They got ahead 10-0. We actually made a run and pulled within four, 15-11, I think. But, a couple of turnovers that were really stupid, a couple of strange calls, and a couple of threes, and K State never looked back. Every time we got a mini-run of maybe six points, they hit a three, or we had a turnover. Some of the turnovers were suspect calls. We were called for traveling in questionable situations, or moving screens, or charges, or 3-second calls. But, some of our turnovers were just plain dumb. Think.

I think Shaina started the game and the second half. Both times, I think she was pulled after about a minute, and Ana was inserted. Ana played well, and smart. She was the only one who did---the only one. taylor and Jessi were passable. Shaina and Mandy had bad nights. I have no clue what happened to Madi.

The K State announcing crew kept saying what great defense K State was playing. Not true. We couldn't make a shot in an open court. They guarded the three point line. But, they left everything from five to twenty feet pretty much open. We got there at will. But, we didn't shoot when we got there. We were tentative, hesitant, uncertain, incompetent. It's like we feared shooting from ten. We kept trying to set up the three or a layup. Couldn't. Our passing wasn't that crisp. Mostly, we didn't move. We passed the ball around a zone. When we penetrated, we passed rather than shoot. Horrid night of decisions.

We ran into a situation that won't happen often. K-State could have challenged UConn on this one night. They hit shots that UConn didn't. They hit everything. It all worked for them. Three nights earlier, they had lost by 38. They made up for it.

I don't know that there was much to learn from this. We got lost early in the game. We put out effort. We actually outrebounded K State for the first three quarters, despite the fact that we were the ones missing the shots. We got all of the hustle balls in the first half, probably three quarters. We just didn't do anything with it when we got it.

Freshmen played like freshmen, as did a couple of sophs. EJ was in for about ten minutes. One rebound. Did absolutely nothing. Four OU players under the rim, including EJ. One K State player would sneak in and grab the rebound because EJ just stood there taking up space. I think she earned a permanent spot on the bench. No value whatsoever.

It just happens. Wonder how K-State would have fared against Notre Dame or UConn on this one night? They aren't that good. I remember once hitting seven straight shots. I wasn't that good.
So you saying OU women got smoked by not so good KSU team..okay
 
That type of thing happens. 1975, Kansas 23-Oklahoma 3, 11 fumbles lost.

I remember a Cordell team that beat the top A team (Elk City), as well as a couple of top ten AA teams (top level at the time) and was ranked #3 in the state. They had beaten Dill City three times, once 81-30. In the first round of the district tournament, this powerhouse lost to a pathetic Dill City team by seven. It was their seventh win of the year. It happens.
 
Call me a Negative Nell (I can live with it), but I think it's going to happen a lot more this season, Syb.

It just means all games are going to be interesting to watch because there won't be any expected outcome as far as I can tell -- except the frequent certainty that we're going to get our butts handed to us.
 
is there a single thing about the women's program that shows it is moving in the right direction? If anything I see the other programs in the conference keep getting stronger and stronger and leaving us further behind.
Are we going to make the tournament this year?
 
is there a single thing about the women's program that shows it is moving in the right direction? If anything I see the other programs in the conference keep getting stronger and stronger and leaving us further behind.
Are we going to make the tournament this year?
Only single thing I know is one poster on here that seems to be okay on where the program is right now. I don't see us making any tournament other than the big 12
 
That type of thing happens. 1975, Kansas 23-Oklahoma 3, 11 fumbles lost.

I remember a Cordell team that beat the top A team (Elk City), as well as a couple of top ten AA teams (top level at the time) and was ranked #3 in the state. They had beaten Dill City three times, once 81-30. In the first round of the district tournament, this powerhouse lost to a pathetic Dill City team by seven. It was their seventh win of the year. It happens.

Syb, I am sorry but to compare Sherri's team and this game with the 1975 Oklahoma Football team is about silly. That was a national championship team with Leroy and Dewey Selmon, Joe Washington and just a ton of All Americans. That game was a stunner because they had a 37 game unbeaten streak going back to the Colorado game in 1972. In contrast, Sherri's team was 5-7. Sherri's team getting beat by KSU was NOT a stunner. OU had just barely got by a pathetic Texas Tech team. I thought they would lose to KSU in Manhattan. Yes, I watched the game. They were over matched by KSU and they will be the rest of the way. I will go on the record, they will be lucky to reach ten wins. It would not shock me if they didn't win another game.

Yeah, you want to talk about J. T. Gasso vs Colton Coale. J. T.'s record speaks for itself.

2012 - Grad Assistant OU - National Runner Up
2013 - Grad Assistant OU - National Champions
2014 - Assistant - Hitting Coach Purdue
2015 - Assistant - Hitting Coach Michigan State - Team vastly improved hitting
2016 - Assistant - Hitting Coach OU - National Champions
2017 - Assistant - Hitting Coach OU - National Champions
2018 - Assistant - Hitting Coach OU - WCWS Final Four
 
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I am not a supporter of nepotism at a public entity under any circumstances but trying Colton's credentials to JT's is folly. I think neither should have been hired at OU. That also includes Mike Stoops, K.J.'s husband Lou Ball, etc.

As OU hitting coach last year the Sooners were #2 (6.66 r/g)nationally in scoring, #19 in BA with a .321, #4 in HR's per game with 1.32 and #1 in Slg %. Job well done JT.

His 2016 and 2017 teams had similar numbers except the power numbers were down from 1.32 to 0.94 and Slg% was .471 good for #19 nationally. The purpose of hitting is to score runs and the OU offense has scored 6.66, 6.26 and 6.69 r/g the last 3 years #2, #9 and #13. Note that their highest r/g average was also their lowest national ranking. The year with our lowest r/g average we were national champions.

But Colton has led the men's practice team against the Sooner women in scrimmages. He has also got to as a GA observe his mother floundering in her attempts to win a conference championships. Great experiences and builds a wonderful bio. And don't forget he did play high school basketball.
 
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is there a single thing about the women's program that shows it is moving in the right direction? If anything I see the other programs in the conference keep getting stronger and stronger and leaving us further behind.
Are we going to make the tournament this year?

We will not make the tournament...I think this needs to happen in order for some changes to happen aka light a fire under SCs butt!
 
I am not a supporter of nepotism at a public entity under any circumstances but trying Colton's credentials to JT's is folly. I think neither should have been hired at OU. That also includes Mike Stoops, K.J.'s husband Lou Ball, etc.

As OU hitting coach last year the Sooners were #2 (6.66 r/g)nationally in scoring, #19 in BA with a .321, #4 in HR's per game with 1.32 and #1 in Slg %. Job well done JT.

His 2016 and 2017 teams had similar numbers except the power numbers were down from 1.32 to 0.94 and Slg% was .471 good for #19 nationally. The purpose of hitting is to score runs and the OU offense has scored 6.66, 6.26 and 6.69 r/g the last 3 years #2, #9 and #13. Note that their highest r/g average was also their lowest national ranking. The year with our lowest r/g average we were national champions.

But Colton has led the men's practice team against the Sooner women in scrimmages. He has also got to as a GA observe his mother floundering in her attempts to win a conference championships. Great experiences and builds a wonderful bio. And don't forget he did play high school basketball.

Nepotism is bad at all levels. Think about the issues it has created at OU.

1. The return of a certain coach's brother caused the exit of Brent Venables. Think about how that played out. Our defense would have still given up points in the Big-12 with all the powerful offenses, but Venables is recognized as an excellent coach, Mike - not so much. We might well have a couple of additional National Titles under our belt had such a selfish, nepotistic thing not happened.

2. SC has likely destroyed any chance Colton has of a successful career as a college coach. Who is going to hire him after the disaster he has been part of? Even if a political move is pulled off and someone does, think about the huge challenge before him to quiet the doubters. She likely damaged her own son's career hopes. And make no mistake, with respect to the actual basketball skills, it is an almost certainty Jan Ross was much more responsible for that than SC. That may be a big part of the decline in our play since Jan reduced her role so CC could have the job. I'm told that even in college, Jan was a far, far better player than SC. In fact, SC was - at best - the 3rd best player on those OC teams.

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We will not make the tournament...I think this needs to happen in order for some changes to happen aka light a fire under SCs butt!

Things is THIS team has talent and OU has a top 10 player joining the team next year... that alone should be enough to keep Sherri seat cold lol... I think Scott might be what the team next year but last I've checked she was hurt, maybe someone can confirm this... by the time this current group is seniors and juniors the team should be a he'll of a lot better if everyone stays put... if OU is going to make a push back towards the top of the league, Sherri has to sign some talent in the 2020 class...
 
I think Sherri should look to add 2 grad transfers next year, one at point guard and one at center, think about where the OU men would be without the 2 guards they added in the off-season...
 
Syb, I am sorry but to compare Sherri's team and this game with the 1975 Oklahoma Football team is about silly. That was a national championship team with Leroy and Dewey Selmon, Joe Washington and just a ton of All Americans. That game was a stunner because they had a 37 game unbeaten streak going back to the Colorado game in 1972. In contrast, Sherri's team was 5-7. Sherri's team getting beat by KSU was NOT a stunner. OU had just barely got by a pathetic Texas Tech team. I thought they would lose to KSU in Manhattan. Yes, I watched the game. They were over matched by KSU and they will be the rest of the way. I will go on the record, they will be lucky to reach ten wins. It would not shock me if they didn't win another game.

Yeah, you want to talk about J. T. Gasso vs Colton Coale. J. T.'s record speaks for itself.

2012 - Grad Assistant OU - National Runner Up
2013 - Grad Assistant OU - National Champions
2014 - Assistant - Hitting Coach Purdue
2015 - Assistant - Hitting Coach Michigan State - Team vastly improved hitting
2016 - Assistant - Hitting Coach OU - National Champions
2017 - Assistant - Hitting Coach OU - National Champions
2018 - Assistant - Hitting Coach OU - WCWS Final Four

You validated my point exactly. My point was that any team can have one of those days in which they play way above their heads and look like superstars when they aren't. It took 11 fumbles lost for Kansas to upset OU. But, KU made no mistakes, and OU made a bunch. You see wild upsets in any sport.

K-State may or may not be better than OU. But, on this one night, they may have been the best team in the nation. OU had played brilliantly against a good UConn team that didn't shoot like K-State did. It was the night of the year----of a career for the K State coach.

I don't accept JT Gasso or his credentials at all. I'm not impressed that he was a hitting coach on some Big Ten team. I also give him no credit at all for teaching Romero, Knighten, Aviu, and Clifton how to hit. We recruited hitters. Alo didn't need Gasso to be a great hitter.

If anything, I question why Mendes came in with a picture perfect swing as a freshman and dropped off so badly as a sophomore. She developed a hole in her swing as someone tried too make her into a slap hitter. She became a sucker for an outside pitch. Wasn't even close on her swings. I also question why Romero became a strikeout queen late in the season when she had never struck out in her career. Nobody helped her out of a horrible season--ending slump. I also am irritated that he didn't correct the hole in Wodach's swing in which she couldn't hit anything over the plate fair. Pulled it foul. If anything, made a decent hitter ineffective with Arnold. We recruited talent. I see many other coaches transform unrecruited kids into outstanding hitters.

I don't know about Colton. But, I have yet to see a positive effect of nepotism at OU---yet.
 
Things is THIS team has talent and OU has a top 10 player joining the team next year... that alone should be enough to keep Sherri seat cold lol... I think Scott might be what the team next year but last I've checked she was hurt, maybe someone can confirm this... by the time this current group is seniors and juniors the team should be a he'll of a lot better if everyone stays put... if OU is going to make a push back towards the top of the league, Sherri has to sign some talent in the 2020 class...
With Scott, Gabby, and Chloe coming in, we can hope that they end up being the pieces needed on which to build a team. Madi needs some help on the boards.

We need for at least one of them to have a midrange shot.

We need, from some source, to have a guard who can settle the team down. That may be too much to expect from Tatum as a freshman. We have lost about three games that we could have won with some stability.

I don't know if transfers can be counted on as much as in men's basketball. The Notre Dame transfer was pure luck in how well it worked out. At least, it is the only one which seems really effective so far. The Romero to Florida State wasn't bad.

We may not make the tournament. It didn't help that we lost a recruiting class. But, it seems strange to be complaining when we are finally assembling a good group again. Isn't nineteen years enough to earn a grace period? who else has a nineteen-year string going?
 
With Scott, Gabby, and Chloe coming in, we can hope that they end up being the pieces needed on which to build a team. Madi needs some help on the boards.

We need for at least one of them to have a midrange shot.

We need, from some source, to have a guard who can settle the team down. That may be too much to expect from Tatum as a freshman. We have lost about three games that we could have won with some stability.

I don't know if transfers can be counted on as much as in men's basketball. The Notre Dame transfer was pure luck in how well it worked out. At least, it is the only one which seems really effective so far. The Romero to Florida State wasn't bad.

We may not make the tournament. It didn't help that we lost a recruiting class. But, it seems strange to be complaining when we are finally assembling a good group again. Isn't nineteen years enough to earn a grace period? who else has a nineteen-year string going?

No question Sherri's successes have warranted a grace period. But that grace period is now about 9 years in length. Sherri set the benchmark for expectations with 6 regular season conference championships, 4 conference tournament championships and 3 Final Fours during 2000-2010. She dominated both Texas and Baylor for the decade before evolving to a conference also ran for nearly a decade.

Today it is unfair to expect a top 5/10 team annually like Notre Dame and UConn. But there is nothing unreasonable about expecting Sooners to play on par with Baylor, Texas, Stanford, Maryland, Kentucky and Louisville. All of which have been ranked in the final top 10 2-5 times the last 5 years except Kentucky who has been ranked in the top 20 4 times.

OU has not been ranked in the top 20 in the last 5 seasons. They were ranked #24 2015-16 and #23 2016-17. 2000-2010 the Sooners were ranked in the top 5 twice, top 10 4 times and the top 14 8 times. 2011-2019 have not been ranked in the top 20 and have been unranked 6 times. I think nine seasons is a more than adequate grace period.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018–19_NCAA_Division_I_women's_basketball_rankings
 
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is there a single thing about the women's program that shows it is moving in the right direction? If anything I see the other programs in the conference keep getting stronger and stronger and leaving us further behind.
Are we going to make the tournament this year?

Well, at least Sybarite still supports Sherri... :facepalm
 
He's essentially saying that she needs a grace period for not doing her job. with the type of money she makes, which is more than a lot of coaches that have produced better programs over the recent years, I would expect better results. I don't think it's too much to ask for consistency in a program. When a coach gets lazy that's when they need these 'passes.' as soon as she lost that class she should have had her butt out there picking up transfer players that would have been ready this year instead of relying on six freshmen and three sophomores! That's what I'm upset about mostly, the fact that she didn't put in the work to get these players in... I mean look at what Lon Kruger did as soon as he lost young and those transfer players, he went out and got a key role player graduate players.
 
No question Sherri's successes have warranted a grace period. But that grace period is now about 9 years in length. Sherri set the benchmark for expectations with 6 regular season conference championships, 4 conference tournament championships and 3 Final Fours during 2000-2010. She dominated both Texas and Baylor for the decade before evolving to a conference also ran for nearly a decade.

Today it is unfair to expect a top 5/10 team annually like Notre Dame and UConn. But there is nothing unreasonable about expecting Sooners to play on par with Baylor, Texas, Stanford, Maryland, Kentucky and Louisville. All of which have been ranked in the final top 10 2-5 times the last 5 years except Kentucky who has been ranked in the top 20 4 times.

OU has not been ranked in the top 20 in the last 5 seasons. They were ranked #24 2015-16 and #23 2016-17. 2000-2010 the Sooners were ranked in the top 5 twice, top 10 4 times and the top 14 8 times. 2011-2019 have not been ranked in the top 20 and have been unranked 6 times. I think nine seasons is a more than adequate grace period.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018–19_NCAA_Division_I_women's_basketball_rankings

You're absolutely correct. I could not have stated it better. IMHO, the unfortunate decline of competitiveness is a result of poor recruiting, staffing and player development that dates back to as early as 2007. But it's clearly what they want because nothing has really changed...actually has gotten worse. Que sera sera!
 
He's essentially saying that she needs a grace period for not doing her job. with the type of money she makes, which is more than a lot of coaches that have produced better programs over the recent years, I would expect better results. I don't think it's too much to ask for consistency in a program. When a coach gets lazy that's when they need these 'passes.' as soon as she lost that class she should have had her butt out there picking up transfer players that would have been ready this year instead of relying on six freshmen and three sophomores! That's what I'm upset about mostly, the fact that she didn't put in the work to get these players in... I mean look at what Lon Kruger did as soon as he lost young and those transfer players, he went out and got a key role player graduate players.

Really? Surely you jest (lots and lots of sarcasm)! After committing as a huge fan years ago (2001-2002), I saw the demise coming dating as far back as 2007. They/SC did not continue to build on the programs success. There was a shift. IMHO, like an arrogance. And some folks on this forum didn't like my comments. But like my Dad used to tell me after he had warned me..."I told you this here day was coming!" Just a shame and so unfortunate. But if the powers that be at OU ain't complaining... #boomer
 
Sherri is lucky that no one with the power really cares about the women program. IMO she doesn't deserve anymore grace period. She been living the good life..makes lots and lots of money, put her son on the money train for the ride. I wonder, she think that Colton will replace her when she's truly done? Gotta keep that $$ train rolling
 
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