2021 Recruiting

cjhsooner said:
OU can't even get the players from their own state to come here (they are going to TAMU, for some reason). Why are we worrying about them getting top players from elsewhere?
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No crap. It’s not like we got Trae, Doo, or Manek in recent years. We never get the good Oklahoma kids!
 
WichitaSooner said:
No crap. It’s not like we got Trae, Doo, or Manek in recent years. We never get the good Oklahoma kids!
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Don't forget Blake Griffin.... Cade Davis... Ryan Spangler... Jordan Woodard... Taylor Griffin
 
BCSooners said:
You would have an incredibly dysfunctional team with 5-6 talented players who had to go to Juco.
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No, I would have a really dysfunctional team if half the players I recruited transferred out or busted.

My method would produce:

A.) More talent
B.) More experienced, older players
C.) A proper mix of local high school talent and incoming 2-3 year players
D.) Put OU in a position of strength in terms of recruiting, instead of constantly fighting above our pay grade

My method puts OU back in the top 4 of the league, without ever having to leave the state of Oklahoma, Kansas, Missouri, and Texas for recruits.
 
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WTSooner said:
I know you are trying to be cute, but his comment applies to more than just last year. We were not close to top 4 the previous 3 seasons.
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And by legitimate top 4 I mean competitive enough to win the league, regular season or tournament. Have a legitimate chance at it.
 
thebigabd said:
And by legitimate top 4 I mean competitive enough to win the league, regular season or tournament. Have a legitimate chance at it.
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I don’t have the time but go back and pull some of these juncos that you would’ve picked for us: plenty of misses.

Would’ve been a lot more transfers.

I have no problem getting a couple but no way 2-3 per class.
 
thebigabd said:
No, I would have a really dysfunctional team if half the players I recruited transferred out or busted.

My method would produce:

A.) More talent
B.) More experienced, older players
C.) A proper mix of local high school talent and incoming 2-3 year players
D.) Put OU in a position of strength in terms of recruiting, instead of constantly fighting above our pay grade

My method puts OU back in the top 4 of the league, without ever having to leave the state of Oklahoma, Kansas, Missouri, and Texas for recruits.
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This is also based on OU landing the top juco Talent. Which there is no guarantee they would.
 
thebigabd said:
And by legitimate top 4 I mean competitive enough to win the league, regular season or tournament. Have a legitimate chance at it.
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In the past five seasons, just five teams have placed in the top four in the conference while finishing two or fewer games back. So what you're really demanding, in practical terms, is top 2 finishes, since you've added new metrics that negate your previous statement.
 
thebigabd said:
No, I would have a really dysfunctional team if half the players I recruited transferred out or busted.

My method would produce:

A.) More talent
B.) More experienced, older players
C.) A proper mix of local high school talent and incoming 2-3 year players
D.) Put OU in a position of strength in terms of recruiting, instead of constantly fighting above our pay grade

My method puts OU back in the top 4 of the league, without ever having to leave the state of Oklahoma, Kansas, Missouri, and Texas for recruits.
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No it wouldn’t. JUCO isn’t what it used to be because of prep schools.

A) Williams was a top juco player & didn’t start most games over a freshman & sophomore. Another freshman was taking his minutes because he couldn’t defend or quit turning the ball over. He has the most raw talent on the team and can be really good.
B) they wouldn’t be more experienced because they’d have 2 years of D1 instead of 3-4.
C) If you take 3 jucos a year mixed with 0-1 Hs player you’d have roster turnover of 4 graduates every year, throw in a transfer a year. Also don’t forget that you can’t miss on your targets because there isn’t as many D1 juco players than in high school.
D) How?

This method isn’t done by anybody because it wouldn’t work. I doubt OU could make the Dance 1/2 the time using this method. OU pretty much just recruits regionally, but you’d also lose out on Cousins, Hill, Williams, Kuath.

Also JUCOs usually have baggage. With your hand picked juco predictions over the past OU wouldn’t win more than 8 games.
 
BCSooners said:
No it wouldn’t. JUCO isn’t what it used to be because of prep schools.

A) Williams was a top juco player & didn’t start most games over a freshman & sophomore. Another freshman was taking his minutes because he couldn’t defend or quit turning the ball over. He has the most raw talent on the team and can be really good.
B) they wouldn’t be more experienced because they’d have 2 years of D1 instead of 3-4.
C) If you take 3 jucos a year mixed with 0-1 Hs player you’d have roster turnover of 4 graduates every year, throw in a transfer a year. Also don’t forget that you can’t miss on your targets because there isn’t as many D1 juco players than in high school.
D) How?

This method isn’t done by anybody because it wouldn’t work. I doubt OU could make the Dance 1/2 the time using this method. OU pretty much just recruits regionally, but you’d also lose out on Cousins, Hill, Williams, Kuath.

Also JUCOs usually have baggage. With your hand picked juco predictions over the past OU wouldn’t win more than 8 games.
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I'd love to see the total number of JUCOs who contributed to teams finishing in the top four of power conferences the past couple/few years. I mean, we all know KU, UK, Duke, UNC, UVA, Gonzaga, etc., are loaded with junior college players. :)

Of course, in bigabd's mind, our roster would have the five best JUCOs in the country each year, because (a) it is a sure bet that we would be able to get every kid we recruit, and (b) our coaches would never sign the dozens of flops he identifies each season who end up averaging 2 points and 2 rebounds once they reach D-1.

Williams is a great example of why this strategy would kill us. I love Williams's talent and think he can be a very good player IF he shows more consistency and completely buys in next season. But even if that happens, we will have gotten one good season following one very mediocre season, and then he will be gone. If a high school kid does that, you still have a chance to keep him around for two more good seasons. But for JUCOs, other than in very rare cases, you are lucky if you get one quality season.
 
BCSooners said:
No it wouldn’t. JUCO isn’t what it used to be because of prep schools.

A) Williams was a top juco player & didn’t start most games over a freshman & sophomore. Another freshman was taking his minutes because he couldn’t defend or quit turning the ball over. He has the most raw talent on the team and can be really good.
B) they wouldn’t be more experienced because they’d have 2 years of D1 instead of 3-4.
C) If you take 3 jucos a year mixed with 0-1 Hs player you’d have roster turnover of 4 graduates every year, throw in a transfer a year. Also don’t forget that you can’t miss on your targets because there isn’t as many D1 juco players than in high school.
D) How?

This method isn’t done by anybody because it wouldn’t work. I doubt OU could make the Dance 1/2 the time using this method. OU pretty much just recruits regionally, but you’d also lose out on Cousins, Hill, Williams, Kuath.

Also JUCOs usually have baggage. With your hand picked juco predictions over the past OU wouldn’t win more than 8 games.
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Total non-sense....

If my method was followed OU would have had the following lineup last year:

PG: Devion Harmon/Jamal Bieniemy
SG: Mason Jones/Alondes Williams
SG: Devonte Bandoo/Tyson Jolly
PF: Kristian Doolittle/Victor Iwuokor
PF: Brady Manek/Kur Kuath

That should have taken absolutely no effort to get that. None. Nada. Zilch. If they weren't chasing waterfalls they could have easily made that happen...That team can compete for a Big 12 championship. Probably the best shooting team in the league.

Remember guys, its not 100% juco. It's high-level jucos in the area, mixed with the normal high level recruiting we do in the Texas and Oklahoma high school circuit. We have plenty of local talent that we pretty much dominate on.

Also, have I touted some busts? Yea, but I am not a professional scout with all the recruiting resources available to me... but we know they are there. We know Tyson Jolly was right there, and went to SMU... We know Mason Jones was in Oklahoma, and got no offer... We know Bandoo wanted to come here, and instead we took MILES FREAKIN REYNOLDS and Bandoo went on to be a nice piece for one of the best teams in the country...

It should have taken minimal effort. Practically none.
 
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thebigabd said:
Total non-sense....

If my method was followed OU would have had the following lineup last year:

PG: Devion Harmon/Jamal Bieniemy
SG: Mason Jones/Alondes Williams
SG: Devonte Bandoo/Tyson Jolly
PF: Kristian Doolittle/Victor Iwuokor
PF: Brady Manek/Kur Kuath

That should have taken absolutely no effort to get that. None. Nada. Zilch. If they weren't chasing waterfalls they could have easily made that happen...That team can compete for a Big 12 championship. Probably the best shooting team in the league.

Remember guys, its not 100% juco. It's high-level jucos in the area, mixed with the normal high level recruiting we do in the Texas and Oklahoma high school circuit. We have plenty of local talent that we pretty much dominate on.

Also, have I touted some busts? Yea, but I am not a professional scout with all the recruiting resources available to me... but we know they are there. We know Tyson Jolly was right there, and went to SMU... We know Mason Jones was in Oklahoma, and got no offer... We know Bandoo wanted to come here, and instead we took MILES FREAKIN REYNOLDS and Bandoo went on to be a nice piece for one of the best teams in the country...

It should have taken minimal effort. Practically none.
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No effort lmao! Of course all those players would’ve came here right? 4 handpicked, hindsight 20/20 wings would’ve all came to OU at the same time? Alondes Williams & Kur wasn’t local, Tyson Jolly went to 4 colleges in 4 years, and when did you tout Mason Jones? Devonte Bandoo would’ve been a solid pickup, but not as good as Reaves.

I remember you touting Bandoo with 3 other terrible players.

You’re lineup would’ve been if handpicked by you.

Harmon/terrible juco
Bienemy/Bandoo
Terrible juco/ terrible juco
Manek/ terrible juco
Doolittle/ terrible juco

That’s also assuming you would’ve went after those 4 high school players. Harmon was the only one in the top 100.
 
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BCSooners said:
No effort lmao! Of course all those players would’ve came here right? 4 handpicked, hindsight 20/20 wings would’ve all came to OU at the same time? Alondes Williams & Kur wasn’t local, Tyson Jolly went to 4 colleges in 4 years, and when did you tout Mason Jones? Devonte Bandoo would’ve been a solid pickup, but not as good as Reaves.

I remember you touting Bandoo with 3 other terrible players.

You’re lineup would’ve been if handpicked by you.

Harmon/terrible juco
Bienemy/Bandoo
Terrible juco/ terrible juco
Manek/ terrible juco
Doolittle/ terrible juco

That’s also assuming you would’ve went after those 4 high school players. Harmon was the only one in the top 100.
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Where would Torres, the guy who shot like 5 percent from three for Wichita State in his one season before transferring yet again, have fit in this lineup? I think there was also a guy who ended up washing out of KSU after averaging about one point who was on the list of guys we definitely should have signed a couple years ago. I think the FF would have been a given with that squad lol.
 
thebigabd said:
No, I would have a really dysfunctional team if half the players I recruited transferred out or busted.

My method would produce:

A.) More talent
B.) More experienced, older players
C.) A proper mix of local high school talent and incoming 2-3 year players
D.) Put OU in a position of strength in terms of recruiting, instead of constantly fighting above our pay grade

My method puts OU back in the top 4 of the league, without ever having to leave the state of Oklahoma, Kansas, Missouri, and Texas for recruits.
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This isn't 1990. If it were, I would agree with you...because that's exactly about how Tubbs did it! When's the last time we got a Jackie Jones/Skeeter Henry/Mookie/ even Bryan Sallier kind of player from Juco?? Maybe Taj Gray or Ace McGee? I have no problem having 2-3 on a 13 player roster...but no more. With all the transfer portal and grad transfers...you'd have better luck there, with your foundation being HS players.
 
Could we talk about real prospects in this thread? This juco dice roll talk is foolish.
 
Juco doesn’t have near the talent that it did in Tubbs day. There are plenty of misses with juco players. I think it’s a great idea to recruit as much talent as possible, but too heavy on jucos is a recipe for disaster. We should have a good mix of both juco and HS talent and a good balance from frosh to seniors. Also, just like HS talent, just because we want the best jucos doesn’t mean we will be able to recruit them to OU.
 
cjhsooner said:
OU can't even get the players from their own state to come here (they are going to TAMU, for some reason). Why are we worrying about them getting top players from elsewhere?
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im officially tired of this tool.
 
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