2024-25 Schedule News

[WichitaSooner]

Actual question....With the "watered down" non-con schedule, lets say Moser wins 21+ games and makes the NCAA tournament as an 8, 9 or 10 seed but plays in the actual tournament. Does that stop the bickering about the schedule at least for a year? SOME of it in "their" mind HAS to be about winning more games and making the record look shiny in order to make the tournament. Could they do that with 150-200 type teams? Sure. But for some reason they felt the need to make it so easy on some of them they "can't fail" for 6-7 games. IF above happens, again, does that change the attitude a little if/when he then comes back to OU for another season? Or do we just pick up where we left off at this time next year?

I've said this a million times: if our coaching staff is dumb enough to think that adding two automatic wins by scheduling horrible teams HELPS our chances of making the tournament, we are in even worse shape than I think we are. Every fan with a rudimentary understanding of the selection process knows that isn't what the committee values. If a guy being paid millions to coach a D-1 team doesn't, it's scary.

To your question -- we have to make the tournament. If we do, there is little doubt he will be our coach next season. If we don't, there is no way he should be back next season, unless Joe cries poor or simply doesn't care enough to fire him. But I can't see any scenario where I would ever be happy with an 8-game home schedule that includes 7 NET 320+ teams and one below average power conference team that we didn't even schedule ourselves. Beyond being counterproductive when it comes to postseason chances, it is also a complete slap in the face to the small number of fans who actually do show up to watch the team in November and December.

 

[TINY]

Smart to wait till after last night's vote to release this.

I laughed

 

[TEvans4Three]

I've said this a million times: if our coaching staff is dumb enough to think that adding two automatic wins by scheduling horrible teams HELPS our chances of making the tournament, we are in even worse shape than I think we are. Every fan with a rudimentary understanding of the selection process knows that isn't what the committee values. If a guy being paid millions to coach a D-1 team doesn't, it's scary.

To your question -- we have to make the tournament. If we do, there is little doubt he will be our coach next season. If we don't, there is no way he should be back next season, unless Joe cries poor or simply doesn't care enough to fire him. But I can't see any scenario where I would ever be happy with an 8-game home schedule that includes 7 NET 320+ teams and one below average power conference team that we didn't even schedule ourselves. Beyond being counterproductive when it comes to postseason chances, it is also a complete slap in the face to the small number of fans who actually do show up to watch the team in November and December.

I was coming here to counter you for using the NET and then I looked at our OOC home games (with KenPom)...holy hell.

Date	Team	KP Rank
4-Nov​	Lindenwood	356​
11-Nov​	NW St	325​
16-Nov​	Stetson	220​
21-Nov​	Texas AM Com	333​
3-Dec​	GT	123​
7-Dec​	Alcorn St	294​
22-Dec​	Central Arkansas	340​
29-Dec​	Prairie View AM	330​

That is absolutely abysmal to see as a season ticket holder.

 

[WichitaSooner]

I was coming here to counter you for using the NET and then I looked at our OOC home games (with KenPom)...holy hell.

Date	Team	KP Rank
4-Nov​	Lindenwood	356​
11-Nov​	NW St	325​
16-Nov​	Stetson	220​
21-Nov​	Texas AM Com	333​
3-Dec​	GT	123​
7-Dec​	Alcorn St	294​
22-Dec​	Central Arkansas	340​
29-Dec​	Prairie View AM	330​

That is absolutely abysmal to see as a season ticket holder.

I’ve actually been looking at Bart Torvik mainly, but I’ve been referring to NET since that is what the committee uses more than any other metric. But I suspect pretty much every reputable site will show the same things for these teams. It’s absolutely awful. We could/should win every game before Atlantis by massive margins, yet will know nothing about our team going into the Providence game. I guess those wins will get a handful of fans excited and fool them into thinking (yet again) that we have taken a step forward, but to your point, no one will look at the schedule and be fired up to drive to the LNC to watch us play those games. Although given the state of Brent’s football program, maybe basketball will be a needed distraction.

 

[soonertrash77]

I was coming here to counter you for using the NET and then I looked at our OOC home games (with KenPom)...holy hell.

Date	Team	KP Rank
4-Nov​	Lindenwood	356​
11-Nov​	NW St	325​
16-Nov​	Stetson	220​
21-Nov​	Texas AM Com	333​
3-Dec​	GT	123​
7-Dec​	Alcorn St	294​
22-Dec​	Central Arkansas	340​
29-Dec​	Prairie View AM	330​

That is absolutely abysmal to see as a season ticket holder.

Preach brother….preach

 

[hoopsaustin]

I was coming here to counter you for using the NET and then I looked at our OOC home games (with KenPom)...holy hell.

Date	Team	KP Rank
4-Nov​	Lindenwood	356​
11-Nov​	NW St	325​
16-Nov​	Stetson	220​
21-Nov​	Texas AM Com	333​
3-Dec​	GT	123​
7-Dec​	Alcorn St	294​
22-Dec​	Central Arkansas	340​
29-Dec​	Prairie View AM	330​

That is absolutely abysmal to see as a season ticket holder.

WOOOOOOOOF. Looks like a custom created schedule in NCAA Football on Playstation when I'm starting the brand new build of a terrible team and i want to stack some easy wins...

If we don't win 7/8, instant fire imo. And maybe even if we do only win 7 lol

 

[Sooner Season]

Haha, this is almost embarrassing. Something like putting lipstick on a pig...............

 

[Sooner04]

There was once a baseball game on Nintendo called "Baseball Stars". In it, you had the ability to create your own team and improve it through winning play. I made a team filled with the names of nothing but historical dictators while my brother stocked his roster with long dead Confederate generals. The beginnings were always humble, but you made hay by defeating the cellar dwellers, namely the Lovely Ladies and SNK Crushers. Beat them often enough, and you acquired enough $$ to challenge the game's decent teams. Do this process over and over and you might one day have a chance against the two best teams: American Dreams and Ninja Blacksox.

Our schedule is nothing but the Lovely Ladies and SNK Crushers. If I were a season ticket holder forking over several hundred dollars a seat FOR THE RIGHT to buy said seat, which'll cost thousands more, I'd be royally pissed. This is an absolutely dreadful non-con home slate. I cannot recall one more underwhelming, and I've been following OU Basketball a long time.

 

[WichitaSooner]

First attempt at embedding a tweet so I have no idea if I did it right.

What I tried to link is a tweet from the (excellent) WSU beat writer. He broke down the noncon schedules of every team in the AAC. Rice (they are awful) is the only team playing as many Q4 games as we are. Memphis, which was a bubble team like OU last year, plays none. Several other teams in the league only play three or four.

Yes, we will likely play more Q1 games because of the Bahamas and possibly Michigan. But again, our issue isn’t the lack of top opponents. We will get plenty of those in conference, too. The issue is the volume of Q4 teams. If poor or average AAC teams don’t feel the need to fatten up on the worst teams in the country, why do we do it?

Would love to see someone do a similar breakdown for SEC teams.

 

[TEvans4Three]

First attempt at embedding a tweet so I have no idea if I did it right.

What I tried to link is a tweet from the (excellent) WSU beat writer. He broke down the noncon schedules of every team in the AAC. Rice (they are awful) is the only team playing as many Q4 games as we are. Memphis, which was a bubble team like OU last year, plays none. Several other teams in the league only play three or four.

Yes, we will likely play more Q1 games because of the Bahamas and possibly Michigan. But again, our issue isn’t the lack of top opponents. We will get plenty of those in conference, too. The issue is the volume of Q4 teams. If poor or average AAC teams don’t feel the need to fatten up on the worst teams in the country, why do we do it?

Would love to see someone do a similar breakdown for SEC teams.

Well, I did OU's:



Full breakdown:

 

[SoonerBounce13]

I was coming here to counter you for using the NET and then I looked at our OOC home games (with KenPom)...holy hell.

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That is absolutely abysmal to see as a season ticket holder.

pretty rough.

But selfishly, it is a great schedule for a family of 6 to get cheap tix and not have to fight crowds

 

[CoachTalk]

21quad 1 and 2’s that plenty. Win half of them and you’re in.

 

[WichitaSooner]

21quad 1 and 2’s that plenty. Win half of them and you’re in.

It's just amazing you continue to be so obtuse about this.

 

[CoachTalk]

It's just amazing you continue to be so obtuse about this.

Ive said before. I’d like a few better ones but it is what it is. SEC will determine whether we are in or out.

Obtuse or not…

 

[skyvue]

There's another concern: Playing a non-conference slate that is made up primarily of teams that are among the least talented in the country doesn't really prepare our guys for the level of competition they'll be facing in conference play. When you play only weak opponents, it's got to a bit of a shock when you're suddenly facing talented, hard-nosed teams.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Ive said before. I’d like a few better ones but it is what it is. SEC will determine whether we are in or out.

Obtuse or not…

Except that isn't true -- it's not an either/or. You're right that we would have made it last year with another win or two in conference play. But we also would have made it if you replace two or three wins over Putnam North with wins over teams in the 100-150 range. So why not give yourself as many paths to the tournament as possible? And remember, the noncon schedule is the only thing the coach can control. We can't do anything to affect our conference schedule, but we can put together whatever kind of a noncon we want.

 

[WichitaSooner]

There's another concern: Playing a non-conference slate that is made up primarily of teams that are among the least talented in the country doesn't really prepare our guys for the level of competition they'll be facing in conference play. When you play only weak opponents, it's got to a bit of a shock when you're suddenly facing talented, hard-nosed teams.

Exactly. To borrow from Sooner04 and add a different baseball video game (the great Bases Loaded) to the analogy, once conference starts, you go from playing the Lovely Ladies to facing Jersey with Paste and Bay.

 

[NMSooner'80]

In the FWIW department, the season openers for both OU teams will be on the same day, Nov. 4. The ladies will play Southern at 5 p.m. (hopefully a major payback is coming in that one, after last year's home shocker), and the guys will play Lindenwood at 8 p.m.

 

[soonertrash77]

In the FWIW department, the season openers for both OU teams will be on the same day, Nov. 4. The ladies will play Southern at 5 p.m. (hopefully a major payback is coming in that one, after last year's home shocker), and the guys will play Lindenwood at 8 p.m.

OMG…..Lindenwood!!!!! I hope we have been training like hell for this game….lol!

 

[skyvue]

OMG…..Lindenwood!!!!! I hope we have been training like hell for this game….lol!

It sounds more than a little bit like the name of a church.

"Hon, I read in the Penny Saver that there's a bake sale and blood drive over at Lindenwood Presbyterian on Saturday. Maybe we should stop by."