2nd Report of FBI

[sdcloud9]

yes...and nothing will happen

The funny part is Arizona won the bidding for Ayton.....Guess where he WAS going? You guessed it....Kansas

So, either Miller was desperate and offered money or else KU just got outbid.

I'm guessing the latter.

 

[mict085]

yes...and nothing will happen

You may be right. The whole system is corrupt, especially the NCAA. KU has cheated forever and been protected forever, meanwhile the NCAA punished OU for too many text messages. It’s corrupted at every level and if you’re in the inner circle, you get away with murder. If you’re not, you get punished.

The whole system should be burned to the ground. Start over. Level playing field.

 

[Stikboy]

You may be right. The whole system is corrupt, especially the NCAA. KU has cheated forever and been protected forever, meanwhile the NCAA punished OU for too many text messages. It’s corrupted at every level and if you’re in the inner circle, you get away with murder. If you’re not, you get punished.

The whole system should be burned to the ground. Start over. Level playing field.

Amen.

 

[Soonerinkc]

You may be right. The whole system is corrupt, especially the NCAA. KU has cheated forever and been protected forever, meanwhile the NCAA punished OU for too many text messages. It’s corrupted at every level and if you’re in the inner circle, you get away with murder. If you’re not, you get punished.

The whole system should be burned to the ground. Start over. Level playing field.

yup...

*living in jaybird country it's amazing how "blind" their fans are...

 

[MsProudSooner]

Why is condi rice so tied into college sports? I think she was or is on the playoff committee and she is mentioned in that story as chairing the committee to clean up college basketball

I have nothing against her I just thought she was a foreign policy expert not a sports expert.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/13555705/condoleezza-rice-was-natural-choice-college-football-playoff-committee

She's been Provost of Stanford and a professor at Stanford.

 

[DenverSooner]

I knew she was at Stanford but those positions have very little to fit with sports.

 

[MsProudSooner]

I knew she was at Stanford but those positions have very little to fit with sports.

Did you read the linked article? I believe that her passion for and knowledge of football plus her status at Stanford is what qualified her for her position.

 

[chuckb]

yup...

*living in jaybird country it's amazing how "blind" their fans are...

"Implicated" in this case means Josh Jackson's mom allegedly had lunch with an agent. Not Josh, his mom. No one from KU was involved. It was an agent.

Aside from the Miller and Ayton issue, which is obviously a huge thing, all those schools that Yahoo reported were "implicated" are not alleged tomhave done anything wrong whatsoever. A player had lunch with an agent. In some cases, the agent allegedly loaned a player or his parent some money.

So everyone here who's getting all self-righteous about that school they hate who's "always been cheating" or whatever ... You should save that self-righteousness for when there's an actual allegation against that coach you've long despised.

The other thing I'll add is that I'm sure there are OU haters out there who -- if, say, Trae's parents had lunch with an agent -- would say that OU always cheats. There was Sampson and then Capel. Then some booster gave money to Szendrei to give to players. Buford (I think) sold some Final 4 tickets in violation of NCAA rules. OU always cheats.

It's BS, of course. Sampson, Capel, and Szendrei were all fired and Buford had to sit out several games for his indiscretion, but the point is that any fan can see anything they want to see in a team they hate.

 

[AdaSooner]

It might be best to let this investigation play out before making the assumption the schools being named are nothing more than victims of self-righteous fans. I doubt if the FBI agents spent most of their time investigating lunch and dinner meetings.

No one expected them to have the goods on Sean Miller. I find it hard to believe he’s the only one.

 

[chuckb]

It might be best to let this investigation play out before making the assumption the schools being named are nothing more than victims of self-righteous fans. I doubt if the FBI agents spent most of their time investigating lunch and dinner meetings.

No one expected them to have the goods on Sean Miller. I find it hard to believe he’s the only one.

Just as it might be best to let the investigation play out before making the assumption that all our most hated rivals are guilty. My comments were based on what's known so far and the references to Kansas, Duke, Kentucky, and all of them except Arizona is that players and/or parents took money and/or favors (nice lunches) from agents, not teams, schools, coaches, or boosters. People are so eager to see the schools they hate punished that they're overlooking the details.

 

[mict085]

"Implicated" in this case means Josh Jackson's mom allegedly had lunch with an agent. Not Josh, his mom. No one from KU was involved. It was an agent.

Aside from the Miller and Ayton issue, which is obviously a huge thing, all those schools that Yahoo reported were "implicated" are not alleged tomhave done anything wrong whatsoever. A player had lunch with an agent. In some cases, the agent allegedly loaned a player or his parent some money.

So everyone here who's getting all self-righteous about that school they hate who's "always been cheating" or whatever ... You should save that self-righteousness for when there's an actual allegation against that coach you've long despised.

The other thing I'll add is that I'm sure there are OU haters out there who -- if, say, Trae's parents had lunch with an agent -- would say that OU always cheats. There was Sampson and then Capel. Then some booster gave money to Szendrei to give to players. Buford (I think) sold some Final 4 tickets in violation of NCAA rules. OU always cheats.

It's BS, of course. Sampson, Capel, and Szendrei were all fired and Buford had to sit out several games for his indiscretion, but the point is that any fan can see anything they want to see in a team they hate.

It wasn’t just lunch. The allegation was payments of $2500 or so. Allegedly, his mom was also getting paid thousands of dollars by under armour who was trying to outbid adidas for Jackson. Yet, adidas wins he bidding war and Jackson goes to KU. I’m sure its all above board. You know CBB recruiting is clean and these coaches are saints that would never do any wrong.

 

[Soonerinkc]

"Implicated" in this case means Josh Jackson's mom allegedly had lunch with an agent. Not Josh, his mom. No one from KU was involved. It was an agent.

The one thing I saw had JJ's mom getting $2600.00

My "hate" of ku isn't anything but pure knowledge of fans... ;-)

I actually think Allen FH is pretty cool, old school. Who wouldn't want to play there...like OU in football.

 

[soonertravis]

Let's all remember our team went through some tough years and tough transition because of two separate situations. One was text messages/extra phone calls. We got probation and had to fire our coach over that! These guys are orchestrating payments from agents!. They better get hammered.

Our second incident related to paying Gallon a few grand. Small potatoes compared to these numbers. Wrong and worthy of sanction, but not as severe as what these allegations are.

That is why many of us fans are mad. We took it on the chin while the elite teams we all know are cheating get nothing. It sucks and it isn't a fair system if they don't get punished.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Let's all remember our team went through some tough years and tough transition because of two separate situations. One was text messages/extra phone calls. We got probation and had to fire our coach over that! These guys are orchestrating payments from agents!. They better get hammered.

Our second incident related to paying Gallon a few grand. Small potatoes compared to these numbers. Wrong and worthy of sanction, but not as severe as what these allegations are.

That is why many of us fans are mad. We took it on the chin while the elite teams we all know are cheating get nothing. It sucks and it isn't a fair system if they don't get punished.

If you know they are cheating, go ahead and contact the NCAA and present your evidence.

Look, I'm not dumb enough to think that cheating isn't fairly common. But reading this board, some of you just seem to assume that every blue blood is cheating because otherwise, they couldn't possibly be so good every year. I always wonder ... do you apply the same logic to our football program?

Also, we didn't fire Kelvin. And while we did get punished, it's not like we got the death penalty or even banned from the tourney.

 

[AdaSooner]

Let's all remember our team went through some tough years and tough transition because of two separate situations. One was text messages/extra phone calls. We got probation and had to fire our coach over that! These guys are orchestrating payments from agents!. They better get hammered.

Our second incident related to paying Gallon a few grand. Small potatoes compared to these numbers. Wrong and worthy of sanction, but not as severe as what these allegations are.

That is why many of us fans are mad. We took it on the chin while the elite teams we all know are cheating get nothing. It sucks and it isn't a fair system if they don't get punished.

I haven’t forgotten, soonertravis, and I doubt if I am alone. Kelvin said he violated the phone call/text message rules because “he was trying to outwork everyone else.” He knew (and said as much) that coaches at other schools were doing that and much worse. They were just better at covering their tracks.

That may not be the case this time. I have a feeling Sean Miller won’t be the last coach to be exposed. Guess we’ll know when this investigation is over.