4 guard offense

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If Sherri does go with a 4 guard offense, what are the disadvantages as well as advantages from your point of view?

Do you think it would be as successful as a typical C, PF, SF, SG, and PG?
 
I think the biggest requirement to have a 4 guard offense is quickness and we're not that quick.
 
It's been working great for Notre Dame but they do have big strong guards... I think it can work out well if we run but we would have to play fast and smart...
 
I don't think the type of offense is that big of a deal. You play the cards that are dealt. It may be easier to recruit to a four-guard offense, but those guards must be able to defend taller players and rebound.

We really had a pretty good mix in 2002. We just ran into probably the best team of all time in the finals. How many of those were stars in the pros for years? We had some borderline superstars who just missed being great as individuals. But, they fit together well. What was the position of each of those starters? Were they a typical 1,2,3,4,5-team?

What I tend to see is what I think would work well for Sherri. She coaches guards well, and she always seems to have a forward who plays tough. What I think we have lacked is the Breanna-type, as everyone does. But, what that means is a type that can create when the other team's defense is working. I rather like what Sherri is recruiting in that regard.

If the other team is playing solid defense, we may find that Maddie does have a bit of Breanna in her. She can drive better than anyone other than DRob. She can hit from outside. She has shown that she can hit short jumpers. Can she put all of that together and create? What about Gioya or Derica? Everything that I've read says they might be able to create when the defense tightens up. They are the type that can hit from anywhere. Curiously, that's the impression that I had of Peyton.

I've not been jealous of the teams that had a Griner or a "name your favorite Ohio State center here." I've always wanted a Candice Parker or Wiggins or Augustus type that could create on their own, although I don't know that Parker fits that. Wiggins and Augustus, like Breanna, could shoot from outside, drive for a jump shot, or drive the lane. One player like that can set up your posts, spot shooters, etc. We've not really had that. I had high hopes for Whitney prior to her injury. Now, I am looking to Maddie----or Gioya, Derica, or Peyton.

It just isn't a good idea to play a 1,2,3,4,5-offense if you can't recruit that type of player. UConn usually can, but even UConn doesn't always have what they want. Everyone else seems to be short a piece. The missing piece tends to be an outstanding post (not many around), a creator, or a point. That two-guard has to be more than just a spot shooter for the team to be successful.

If you look at ND, they seem to have a great scheme, just not the superstars that others have. They beat UConn what, seven of eight, until Breanna grew up? Once the star got some confidence, she overwhelmed the ND superiority in scheme.
 
Glad to see this thread, as I've been thinking about who's going to play where next year.

We've been running the 4 out 1 in offense for years (with a temporary detour for Ashley Paris). In our present offense, the 4 is a face the basket player that moves on the perimeter and can shoot from the three as well as go to the rim. Other than the height of the 4 player, how would a "4 guard offense" be different?

So given our present offensive scheme, which I don't see us changing, Kay-Kay doesn't look much like a power forward. I think candidates for that spot are Portia, Sharane (I guess that would make it a "4 guard offense"), Nicole K, or Shaya (though she doesn't seem very physical).
 
Glad to see this thread, as I've been thinking about who's going to play where next year.

We've been running the 4 out 1 in offense for years (with a temporary detour for Ashley Paris). In our present offense, the 4 is a face the basket player that moves on the perimeter and can shoot from the three as well as go to the rim. Other than the height of the 4 player, how would a "4 guard offense" be different?

So given our present offensive scheme, which I don't see us changing, Kay-Kay doesn't look much like a power forward. I think candidates for that spot are Portia, Sharane (I guess that would make it a "4 guard offense"), Nicole K, or Shaya (though she doesn't seem very physical).

I've seen two versions of Shaya. In the Minnesota-Iowa game, she seemed rather non-physical. In the Miami/Iowa game, she was quite strong against Kai James and another 6-5 center, playing very physical.
 
I kind of like the "4 out 1 in" set up, however I would much rather have 3 true guards and 1 hybrid. The two girls that stand out to me as the hybrids are Nicole K and Maddie. Nicole showed me toward the end of the season that she can rebound and likes to mix it up down low. She also started taking the ball off the wing on the drive. She could easily be a nice 4, especially if she works on her upper body strength in the off season. Maddie has the height, and the moves off the dribble to work there in certain situations also.

What I have seen of Gioya, she is a little small for the 4 but is strong enough to spell Sharane at the three. I am really excited about the mix we have coming in for next season. I think the competition for playing time will be at a premium, and will need to be.

Getting back to Norms original post, The main weakness in a true 4 guard offense from our current stock of players will be rebounding. We haven't yet, but if we can get a couple of kids that will sacrifice every thing to go after balls off the glass, we will be alright. I mean we still made another sweet sixteen appearance, in spite of our "fundamental weakness" crashing the boards as a team. We play pretty good solid defense as a team, but we have some areas of improvement I would like to see.

Our advantage, at least I think, is we can score from any where on the floor, and have some really good 3 point shooters, and we transition well when we can take the advantage. I just don't like the idea of physical teams manhandling our guards on the boards. JMHO.
 
Roc, I share your concern with regard to rebounding. That is exactly what I was thinking when I started this thread. I think our guards will have to be willing to hit the boards to make up what we lose with Jo's graduation.

I also agree that we should be able to score and likely will lead the league in scoring. We need to rebound and increase our defensive intensity and if we do that we will be a good basketball team.
 
We lost our two best rebounders in Jo and Whitney. They were usually good for 10 to 20 rebounds per game. That is going to be very, very difficult to replace with our future roster.

It might be too much to ask of a 4-guard offense.
 
A lot depends on how KayKay returns from her injury. Achilles injuries can be real nasty.

Nicole is never going to be a great rebounder. She is just too slow to the ball. We may see a lot of KayKay at the 4 just to have rebounding.

If you play a four guard defense you have to run and play pressure defense. You can't do that when you play your starters 37 minutes a game. Sherri has a hard time using her depth. And she has to let the young players play through their mistakes. She tends to keep them on a very short leash although it looked like Maddie was going to be an exception.
 
A lot depends on how KayKay returns from her injury. Achilles injuries can be real nasty.

Nicole is never going to be a great rebounder. She is just too slow to the ball. We may see a lot of KayKay at the 4 just to have rebounding.

If you play a four guard defense you have to run and play pressure defense. You can't do that when you play your starters 37 minutes a game. Sherri has a hard time using her depth. And she has to let the young players play through their mistakes. She tends to keep them on a very short leash although it looked like Maddie was going to be an exception.

Great post!
 
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