A comparison.....

There's a difference between what Grace and Blaylock were and what Quannas was. I said best pure point guard. Don't get me wrong Blaylock is the 2nd best player in OU history. Grace is up there with Quannas also as far as point guards go. But Quannas was really the difference from us being just another good team and us being a great team those years.

Second best player in history? I loved Mookie but that is a stretch. OU basketball goes Blake, Wayman and Alvin as the top 3. The only debate is the order.

Mookie is clearly in the next line of players but guys like Harvey Grant, Eduardo Najerra, Willie Warren and arguably some others are right there with Mookie.
 
The biggest difference I saw between AJ and Quannis was in consistency.
While the overall stats might look similar, AJ seemed to get his in bundles, such as that stretch of games mid-Big 12 last year where he was draining long bombs at the end of what felt like every game. He was truly playing awesome, a better stretch than Quannis ever had. Then he faded some...

Quannis seemed to play more straightline, always dependable, always solid. but rarely lighting it up. Rarely disappearing though, as AJ sometimes did.

I take Quannis over AJ, but I agree it's a closer than one might think.

I think this is a very fair comparison of the two players. I too would probably take Q over AJ but I just don't get the OU fans that cannot and will not give AJ respect. He had a nice career at OU.
 
The biggest difference I saw between AJ and Quannis was in consistency.
While the overall stats might look similar, AJ seemed to get his in bundles, such as that stretch of games mid-Big 12 last year where he was draining long bombs at the end of what felt like every game. He was truly playing awesome, a better stretch than Quannis ever had. Then he faded some...

Quannis seemed to play more straightline, always dependable, always solid. but rarely lighting it up. Rarely disappearing though, as AJ sometimes did.

I take Quannis over AJ, but I agree it's a closer than one might think.

Good post. :clap
 
The biggest difference I saw between AJ and Quannis was in consistency.
While the overall stats might look similar, AJ seemed to get his in bundles, such as that stretch of games mid-Big 12 last year where he was draining long bombs at the end of what felt like every game. He was truly playing awesome, a better stretch than Quannis ever had. Then he faded some...

Quannis seemed to play more straightline, always dependable, always solid. but rarely lighting it up. Rarely disappearing though, as AJ sometimes did.

I take Quannis over AJ, but I agree it's a closer than one might think.

Well said. That is what drove me crazy about AJ. You didn't know what you'd get from game to game or even half to half. I guess that's why I've always been hard on him. There is no excuse for that, in my mind.
 
Well said. That is what drove me crazy about AJ. You didn't know what you'd get from game to game or even half to half. I guess that's why I've always been hard on him. There is no excuse for that, in my mind.

That can be said of a PG or gut G in general... What about a big man? When they might not get the ball as often as a guard? (Im talking a purly statistical pov, I mean sure you can say that if the guy just doesn't bring the same effort and such.)
 
I'm not familiar with any previous biases or whatever, so I can't speak to what the subtext in a lot of these posts. However, regardless of any that exist, I think the comparison between the two is a valid one and I think its interesting and worthwhile as an OU fan to try to find some context for what kind of player AJ was. There haven't been many players at OU in the last 25-30 years to be so enigmatic yet also have such a prominent role in the program.

One thing I'd like to add to the discussion is this: Quannas was what most of you have already said about him: a steady hand, trustworthy, solid offensive player, strong defender, etc... But I think it is worth noting that if Kelvin were to make a list of what he was looking for in a point guard to plug into his system, the list would be something close to what Quannas was. He was just the perfect fit for the things Kelvin wanted to do.

Examples: For one, maybe Kelvin's single most important defensive principle was extending ball pressure far out on the floor. It was the fundamental that everything was built on. Pressure defense with the goal of making the offense unsure or hesitant rather than to create turnovers. Its one of the reasons Drew Lavender was such a poor fit with Kelvin...to pressure the other team's primary ball-handler for an entire game not only took a great deal of energy, but also physical strength. Drew could pester guys, but he couldn't really steer them around or deny spots. Quannas, on the other hand, was a bull and he made it very tough for teams to get into their sets comfortably. Spacing is huge to an offense's ability to execute and adding and extra foot or two to passing lanes makes things a lot tougher on a team.

Another example of what made Quannas such a perfect guy for that team was his limited offensive game. Stick with me here, but I actually think it was an advantage for him. Just think of how Kelvin wanted his teams to play: under control, patient, efficient. He didn't want guys going off script (one reason we saw Ebi and Selvy get an earful even if they would make good plays). Quannas was perfect for that style. He wasn't a particularly creative player, so he wasn't going to be fighting the urge to get into the lane all the time. His jumper was just good enough that he would take open shots or shots against the clock with confidence, but not so good that he was going to go hunting for shots. His vision or "flair" for passing wasn't anything special, but he understood where players were supposed to be and when they were supposed to be there (and with Kelvin, they were usually there). He was just the right guy playing for the right coach with the right teammates.

AJ on the other hand, well, first of all I;m not sure we would all feel the way we do about Quannas if he had come to OU as a freshman in Kelvin's last year at OU. That was a very different group of players then the team that won 7 tournament games in two years. But regardless of that, I just don't think AJ was ever that close to being in a situation that was particularly suited to his talents. I think last season came close at times, but I feel the combination of his injuries and his uneven play really effected his confidence by his senior year.

I think the perfect situation for AJ was as a combo-guard...regardless of whether he started at the 1 or the 2 or came off the bench. I think he was never strong enough as a point guard to play the kind of minutes he did at the position, but, to be fair, I think his lack of strength would have always limited his effectiveness as a full-time wing player as well. I see AJ as a guy who was at his best when he was able to play off the ball. He was a very good cutter...he knew how to set his defender up and time his cuts and angles. He was probably at his best last season when Blake got the ball in an in-between post up. He was very good at finding space and making himself available when eyes were on Griffin. And if he got the pass, he would usually finish or make the extra pass for an assist. And as a shooter, he was much better when he could catch and shoot. He seemed most effective when he could catch a pass in the corner from the wing after running the baseline, or catching on the wing after cutting from the corner, or catching at the top of the key after moving up from the lane. He never looked comfortable as a spot-up shooter. Something about standing and waiting for a pass never seemed to click with him, for whatever reason. And as far as doing things off the dribble, well that was just never a strong suit for him. He wasn't physically strong enough or athletic enough to finish at the rim. In fact, I would say he was most effective off the dribble when he would pull up from 12-15 feet in the paint. Last season, I always felt good about him getting that shot.

Now, take all the things I just rattled off and think about what some of the fundamental aspects of playing the point are. Basically, playing the point full time took AJ away from all the things he did well out on the floor. But that was the sad fact of his time at OU...he never played with a guy who could be the primary ball-handler. Consequently, he was very limited in his opportunities to play to his strengths. I think if he had been able to play for a guy like Herb Sendek it could have had a significant impact on his career (if there had been a strong ball-handler alongside him). Lots of screens and cuts on offense and a lot of zone on defense, which really played to AJ's height and length. In fact, I'm sure some will think I'm crazy, but I think AJ could have been a player very similar to Julius Hodge.

I say all of this just because I think that AJ was a better player than many of us give him credit for, not because anyone is out to get him or anything, but just because he never found a way to put his talents to use fully. I think comparing the stats of Quannas and AJ is a fair way to illustrate that point. But as someone who believes stats are a great tool for informing what you see, but hardly a trusty way to make broad evaluations, I think it isn't a totally reliable way to illustrate the productivity of the two players. Quannas didn't often get too far above or below his averages. You pretty much knew what his stat line was going to look like every night (which is a testament to how tailor-made he was for the teams he was on). AJ however, rarely put up numbers from game to game that looked the same. His averages were just that...the middle point between his highs and lows. His game depended much more on how teams were defending, because there was no built in role for him that suited him.
 
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That can be said of a PG or gut G in general... What about a big man? When they might not get the ball as often as a guard? (Im talking a purly statistical pov, I mean sure you can say that if the guy just doesn't bring the same effort and such.)

Position doesn't matter...you should bring it with the same effort and intensity every game. You can have bad shooting games, bad floor games whatever but, in my opinion, you should never have a bad intensity and effort game.
 
This is kind of a tough comparison because quannas had two prolific pitch out guys in Ebi and Hollis and a go to post in McGhee that changed the dynamics of how that team was guarded. AJ had a go to post in Blake that he meshed with very well, but never really learned how to play with WW and frankly didn't get enough floor or Practice time with him. AJ saw alot more 2-3 than Quannas, a defense that is especially hard on PGs because you in essence have two guys shadowing you.
 
But I think it is worth noting that if Kelvin were to make a list of what he was looking for in a point guard to plug into his system, the list would be something close to what Quannas was. He was just the perfect fit for the things Kelvin wanted to do.

Another example of what made Quannas such a perfect guy for that team was his limited offensive game. Stick with me here, but I actually think it was an advantage for him. Just think of how Kelvin wanted his teams to play: under control, patient, efficient. He didn't want guys going off script

Quannas was perfect for that style. He wasn't a particularly creative player, so he wasn't going to be fighting the urge to get into the lane all the time. His jumper was just good enough that he would take open shots or shots against the clock with confidence, but not so good that he was going to go hunting for shots. His vision or "flair" for passing wasn't anything special, but he understood where players were supposed to be and when they were supposed to be there (and with Kelvin, they were usually there). He was just the right guy playing for the right coach with the right teammates.

:clap Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

I say all of this just because I think that AJ was a better player than many of us give him credit for, not because anyone is out to get him or anything, but just because he never found a way to put his talents to use fully.

Quannas didn't often get too far above or below his averages. You pretty much knew what his stat line was going to look like every night (which is a testament to how tailor-made he was for the teams he was on).

AJ however, rarely put up numbers from game to game that looked the same. His averages were just that...the middle point between his highs and lows. His game depended much more on how teams were defending, because there was no built in role for him that suited him.

Nice analysis. At the end of Jeff's first season, BH/gspence posted an excellent analysis regarding AJ's game over on the other board. If you're out there BH, feel free to chime in.

Position doesn't matter...you should bring it with the same effort and intensity every game. You can have bad shooting games, bad floor games whatever but, in my opinion, you should never have a bad intensity and effort game.

I'm with you, Cheno. I was NEVER a big fan of AJ's game. He wasn't a leader. He had a lackadaisical demeanor on the court. I will not miss watching him WALK the ball up the court nonchalantly and I will not miss his patented RAINBOW lobs.

This year we will see first hand the impact a true pg like TMG will have on the floor. He will be AGGRESSIVE and he will put PRESSURE on opposing defenses. I think the OU fans will enjoy watching a true pg like TMG who can create space, knock down shots and pass the ball. Unfortunately, that type of guard has been a rarity at Oklahoma. If TMG can learn to play defense at the college level, we will have a LEGITIMATE chance of making some noise in March.

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