A reality check

[luckyc1423]

The next 4 games will tell us a lot about this team:

• Arkansas is tough at home and gave Syracuse a good game
• Stephen F. Austin beat Tulsa by 16 at Tulsa
• Texas A&M is 5-1
• Ohio returns all players from a Sweet 16 team and is 6-0

If we go 3-1 in those 4, I won't be panicking about conference season.

I am sorry, but I have to laugh when we mentioned SFA and Ohio as someone who is going to gauge how good we are.

 

[bgrch1350]

SOS after a handful of games is fairly meaningless. All it takes is 1 game vs an undefeated Gonzaga to skew the results. If we had won that game it would make it more meaningful but it was a turn it off at halftime rout.

As of right now, What team would the ncaa committee look at and say..a quality win...answer, 0

 

[NorthCarolinaSooner]

What some of you SHOULD be happy about is that we have won games DESPITE playing poorly at times. Playing so many new guys and preparing them for conference play and still winning is a good thing. We won last year when we played well at the beginning but that team TOPPED OUT at 9-1.....this team has much more depth and potential and is nowhere NEAR topping out but is STILL 6-1.....that is a good sign for later.

 

[TheGimper]

I am sorry, but I have to laugh when we mentioned SFA and Ohio as someone who is going to gauge how good we are.

SFA I will give you, but to lump Ohio with them shows are ignorant you are about the game. Like a poster already mentioned, Ohio returns all starters from a Sweet 16 team. This includes Naismith contender D.J. Cooper. Plus they've been getting votes in both polls.

So, if the possibility of playing a ranked team with tournament experience isn't a measure of a quality win then I don't know what it is...

 

[luckyc1423]

SFA I will give you, but to lump Ohio with them shows are ignorant you are about the game. Like a poster already mentioned, Ohio returns all starters from a Sweet 16 team. This includes Naismith contender D.J. Cooper. Plus they've been getting votes in both polls.

So, if the possibility of playing a ranked team with tournament experience isn't a measure of a quality win then I don't know what it is...

I agree.

Ohio barely beat St. Bonaventure, barely beat hampton, and lost to Robert Morris. Im sorry but im not ready to crown them elite. yes they had a good year last year but I wouldnt consider that to be the same this year. They got hot at the rgiht time.

Ohio was a 13 seed so lets not act like they were huge players last year. Yes they won a few games but like I said they got hot at the right time.

These early rankings mean nothing at all to me.

 

[luckyc1423]

Lehigh beat Duke and Norfolk St beat Missouri in round 1 of last years team. Should we consider them a top team as well and measure how good we are compared to them?

Teams get hot in the tournament, thats why we call the cinderalla stories.

 

[TheGimper]

Lehigh beat Duke and Norfolk St beat Missouri in round 1 of last years team. Should we consider them a top team as well and measure how good we are compared to them?

Teams get hot in the tournament, thats why we call the cinderalla stories.

No, because neither one of those teams a) Returned all of their starters from that team, b) made it as far, c) has had the same amount of success this season, and d) the other two teams listed lost their best player (one went in the first round of the draft).

Not to mention, Cooper will be the best individual player we will have faced at that point. I'm not calling Ohio world beaters, but to lump them in with the cupcakes we play is ignorant.

You also mentioned how you weren't a fan of preseason rankings. I complete get that, but if Ohio is ranked when they arrive at Lloyd Noble almost two months of college basketball will have past. Not exactly early rankings.

 

[skyvue]

Lehigh beat Duke and Norfolk St beat Missouri in round 1 of last years team. Should we consider them a top team as well and measure how good we are compared to them?

Teams get hot in the tournament, thats why we call the cinderalla stories.

Which teams do we get credit for beating then? I'd like to know so I can circle those dates on my calendar. In which games on our schedule would a win impress you enough to convince you to rate our team more highly? Which teams would we have to beat for you to state, "Yes, we're an improved team"?

Does K-State count? Probably not, we beat them twice last year. Texas? No, they've not been impressive this season. oswho? Baylor?

Would a home win over Iowa State do it, or would we have to beat them on the road? How about Arkansas, a traditionally strong program we're playing on the road? Can we celebrate a little if we beat them?

 

[suncoastsooner]

SFA I will give you, but to lump Ohio with them shows are ignorant you are about the game. Like a poster already mentioned, Ohio returns all starters from a Sweet 16 team. This includes Naismith contender D.J. Cooper. Plus they've been getting votes in both polls.

So, if the possibility of playing a ranked team with tournament experience isn't a measure of a quality win then I don't know what it is...

Ohio doesn't just return all their starters, they return EVERYONE. They didn't have a single senior on the team last season and nobody left. They literally have a completely intact line up.

 

[bgrch1350]

Ohio doesn't just return all their starters, they return EVERYONE. They didn't have a single senior on the team last season and nobody left. They literally have a completely intact line up.

Yep..They didn't take it like we did and break up their lineup and throw in some freshmen who weren't highly rated.

 

[KBaden145]

Yep..They didn't take it like we did and break up their lineup and throw in some freshmen who weren't highly rated.

They would have in a hurry if that lineup had gone 15-16 and their FR showed lots of promise.

 

[bgrch1350]

They would have in a hurry if that lineup had gone 15-16 and their FR showed lots of promise.

You are definalty sure about that. It must have been nice for Ohio to go through that tough schedule( )they went thru b/c if they had our schedule, they would have gone 15-16

 

[suncoastsooner]

They would have in a hurry if that lineup had gone 15-16 and their FR showed lots of promise.

Which is pretty well basically what they did two seasons ago and are now reaping the rewards from doing so.

 

[suncoastsooner]

You are definalty sure about that. It must have been nice for Ohio to go through that tough schedule( )they went thru b/c if they had our schedule, they would have gone 15-16

They would have huh? Is that why they lost to UNC in overtime, lost by only 4 to Louisville in Louisville, and beat (4) seeded Michigan handily in the tournament; plus finished higher in RPI than Oklahoma?

Meanwhile we were getting clobbered by Saint Louis on a neutral court and murdered by Missouri by what 38 points?

 

[luckyc1423]

No, because neither one of those teams a) Returned all of their starters from that team, b) made it as far, c) has had the same amount of success this season, and d) the other two teams listed lost their best player (one went in the first round of the draft).

Not to mention, Cooper will be the best individual player we will have faced at that point. I'm not calling Ohio world beaters, but to lump them in with the cupcakes we play is ignorant.

You also mentioned how you weren't a fan of preseason rankings. I complete get that, but if Ohio is ranked when they arrive at Lloyd Noble almost two months of college basketball will have past. Not exactly early rankings.

I agree with you there, in a month when we play them rankings will mean more.

I guess im just frustrated that our program is so low to potentially call games like ohio and SFA as ones to see were we are.

Those teams should be playing us to see were they are not the other way around.

 

[luckyc1423]

Which teams do we get credit for beating then? I'd like to know so I can circle those dates on my calendar. In which games on our schedule would a win impress you enough to convince you to rate our team more highly? Which teams would we have to beat for you to state, "Yes, we're an improved team"?

Does K-State count? Probably not, we beat them twice last year. Texas? No, they've not been impressive this season. oswho? Baylor?

Would a home win over Iowa State do it, or would we have to beat them on the road? How about Arkansas, a traditionally strong program we're playing on the road? Can we celebrate a little if we beat them?

I currently do not believe we are improved. I think we are improved talent wise, which in turn means as we get more games under our belt we will be vastly improved compared to last season.

I think alot of posters get over excited and create unrealistic expectations. When we were 9-1 last year everyone started to create those expectations thinking we were at minimum a NIT team.

 

[bgrch1350]

They would have huh? Is that why they lost to UNC in overtime, lost by only 4 to Louisville in Louisville, and beat (4) seeded Michigan handily in the tournament; plus finished higher in RPI than Oklahoma?

Meanwhile we were getting clobbered by Saint Louis on a neutral court and murdered by Missouri by what 38 points?

They also lost to Toledo, Eastern Michigan, Kent St, Bowling Green, Robert Morris, and Akron.

Does that sound like a team that would have done well in a league with Texas, W.V., K-St, KU, ISU, and Mizzou who all made it to the tournament last year.

 

[suncoastsooner]

They also lost to Toledo, Eastern Michigan, Kent St, Bowling Green, Robert Morris, and Akron.

Does that sound like a team that would have done well in a league with Texas, W.V., K-St, KU, ISU, and Mizzou who all made it to the tournament last year.

Yeah. Did you see how Mizzou and Texas fared in the first round of the NCAA tourney? Obviously not.

W.V. wasn't in our conference or on our schedule last year. Ohio would have mounted and bludgeoned aTm.

 

[bgrch1350]

Yeah. Did you see how Mizzou and Texas fared in the first round of the NCAA tourney? Obviously not.

W.V. wasn't in our conference or on our schedule last year. Ohio would have mounted and bludgeoned aTm.

Its great to see teams do well in the tournament...But did you see what Mizzou did during the regular season. If Ohio was in our league, they wouldn't even made the tournament. And your right...W.V. wasn't in our, But Baylor is...who is even better then them and they made it to the elite 8.

 

[bgrch1350]

Yeah. Did you see how Mizzou and Texas fared in the first round of the NCAA tourney? Obviously not.

W.V. wasn't in our conference or on our schedule last year. Ohio would have mounted and bludgeoned aTm.

I bet if you put OU in that crappy league, OU would have been in the NCAA tournament as well. Ohio's best regular season win was against...hell why don't you tell me.