Am I the only one who is sick of football?

[stoops4pres]

Sheesh. A lot of misinformation in this thread.

I just want to add this.....don't assume that because Bama/LSU/UF/USC holds a team to 24 points or whatever, that they have figured out the spread, or even stopped it. Did USC stop Oregon this year when they gave up 500 yards and 35 points? Did LSU and Bama stop the Tebow-spread that UF had for a few years? Keep in mind that those SEC teams run the ball more, keep the clock running, and therefore having fewer possessions in general. Lower yardage, or lower points per game doesn't really tell you how much more efficient, or not, they have been.

And truth be told, I don't think those defenses stopped OU. Not against LSU, and not against UF. Injuries, simple player mistakes/miscues, and a conservative game plan did us in as much as anything.

The more I see Demarco tearing up the NFL, the more I cringe knowing he didn't play vs. Florida in '08. We'll never know what happened, but he was a game breaker that OU could've used that night.

 

[Sawyer]

When discussing the NFL, are you specifically referring to NFL players and starters in the secondary, or overall? Because I'm pretty sure Stoops has more starters and more players on NFL rosters than Bama does. However given the amount of NFL talent Saban currently has right now, I expect that to change in the near future.

And good point about West Virginia. They're a solid program and an upgrade over A&M, but it's not like they are a juggernaut or anything. They haven't been an elite team since 2007.

I was talking specifically of players in the secondary.

Speaking of overall NFL starters, though, I'm pretty sure there will be more Mizzou alumni starting on NFL defenses this weekend than OU, which further illustrates the point that Stoops, for all the success he's had in recruiting, has not done as well developing that talent as he maybe should have. The number of NFL starters is hardly the best metric to measure him by, I'll admit, but I think most people would look at OU's recruits on paper and look at the finished products and say they don't quite look like they should.

Stoops has done an outstanding job of putting OL in the NFL, though. The Redskins start three OU players on their OL, which is pretty damn impressive.

 

[thebigabd]

I don't like the spread offense. I'm sorry, I just enjoy seeing teams hold onto the ball and create long, meaningful scoring drives. I enjoy seeing points go on the board and six or seven minutes coming off of it.

I just don't like the spread offense. It's not us. We're Oklahoma. We run the ball. We've been running it since Tom Stidham took us to the Orange Bowl in the late 30s. I like whipping the guy in front of you and running through the hole. I abhor depending on the variables of the passing game. I like knowing a good seal by the guard is the difference between one yard or five yards. I hate depending on a good snap in the Pistol, a good cut by the receiver, a good throw by the quarterback and a good catch by the receiver.

It's just not my style of football. I like a touchdown to mean something. If Georgia Tech only had a defense it'd be like I was five years old again. Nice tackle, Sonny Brown.

I agree with ya... run the ball! I wish they would install that Bill Snyder K-State type of offense. Pound people with the run, have a dynamic play-maker at QB who can run/pass, and hit them with deep throws.

Collin Klein (not even close to being the best QB Snyder has had in that offense), threw for 1700 yards and 12 touchdowns and ran for 1300 yards and 26 touchdowns. Awesome. That is way more impressive to me than Case Keenum throwing short screens on his way to 500 yards a game.

 

[stoops4pres]

I was talking specifically of players in the secondary.

Speaking of overall NFL starters, though, I'm pretty sure there will be more Mizzou alumni starting on NFL defenses this weekend than OU, which further illustrates the point that Stoops, for all the success he's had in recruiting, has not done as well developing that talent as he maybe should have. The number of NFL starters is hardly the best metric to measure him by, I'll admit, but I think most people would look at OU's recruits on paper and look at the finished products and say they don't quite look like they should.

Stoops has done an outstanding job of putting OL in the NFL, though. The Redskins start three OU players on their OL, which is pretty damn impressive.

I agree with your point to a certain extent. As for the comparison with Mizzou, I'm not positive but I am willing to bet OU has more defensive starters in the NFL than Mizzou does. But like I said, not 100% sure.

 

[bocabull]

West Virginia just earned a tie in a mid-major level conference on a last-second field goal over a 5-win team.

Nice spin on the "combined to win 1 BCS Bowl ever." Colorado, Nebraska, Missouri and A&M are far more historically relevant than TCU and West Virginia.

And this is why Missouri and A&M are perfect fits for the SEC. You're completely irrelevant and too stupid to know it.

BCS Bowl victories are not spin. They are undisputed accomplishments. Something Missouri football would not understand.

 

[bocabull]

For you Stoops apologists please ask yourself to compare how many times Stoops has defeated a higher ranked team vs losing to lower ranked, unranked teams.

His record is terrible in that regard. Bottom line Stoops has run up his record by simply out talenting overrated Big XII patsies and those days are over.

 

[stoops4pres]

For you Stoops apologists please ask yourself to compare how many times Stoops has defeated a higher ranked team vs losing to lower ranked, unranked teams.

His record is terrible in that regard. Bottom line Stoops has run up his record by simply out talenting overrated Big XII patsies and those days are over.

That rationale applies to the majority of coaches at top tier programs. Since Saban's days dating back to LSU, I'm willing to bet that trend is the same for him as well. And I am willing to bet Stoops' record is not "terrible" in that regard, either. His record vs. ranked teams proves that.

Upsets happen. That's what makes college football so unpredictable. I don't think you are looking at this from both perspectives, because if you did you would see the litany of accomplishments Stoops has reached, not to mention the fact that he has been a bounce or two from claiming two other National Titles. Call for Stoops' head all you want, just know that his accomplishments he compiled haven't been against these "cupcakes". All due respect boca, but you are overhyping the newly-formed Big 12 way too much.

 

[WTSooner]

For you Stoops apologists please ask yourself to compare how many times Stoops has defeated a higher ranked team vs losing to lower ranked, unranked teams.

His record is terrible in that regard. Bottom line Stoops has run up his record by simply out talenting overrated Big XII patsies and those days are over.

Why do you keep bringing up these meaningless stats?

When you are consistently a top 10 team, you are going to have FAR more games against lower ranked opponents. Doesn't prove a thing.

 

[Max Power]

For you Stoops apologists please ask yourself to compare how many times Stoops has defeated a higher ranked team vs losing to lower ranked, unranked teams.

His record is terrible in that regard. Bottom line Stoops has run up his record by simply out talenting overrated Big XII patsies and those days are over.

This coming from a Caple apologist :facepalm

 

[Sawyer]

And this is why Missouri and A&M are perfect fits for the SEC. You're completely irrelevant and too stupid to know it.

BCS Bowl victories are not spin. They are undisputed accomplishments. Something Missouri football would not understand.

Their wins over Georgia in '05 and OU in '07 definitely were accomplishments. It'll be interesting to see if Rich Rodriguez is able to replicate that success at Arizona after failing to do so at Michigan.

An Orange Bowl berth (or even a win) against Clemson this year... yeah, that's nothing to brag about.

 

[brumFTW]

Our only hope is for Penn State to reach for Bob and have him jump. Then we can hire Kirby Smart from Alabama who will have no problem stopping the rinkydink gimmick offenses of the Big XII.

I see, we should hope that we lose a head coach with a career .802 winning percentage, so we can hire an assistant with no head coaching experience. :facepalm

 

[Max Power]

I see, we should hope that we lose a head coach with a career .802 winning percentage, so we can hire an assistant with no head coaching experience. :facepalm

this is the same guy that wanted to keep Caple. He clearly has no idea what a good coach looks like.

 

[Sawyer]

I agree with your point to a certain extent. As for the comparison with Mizzou, I'm not positive but I am willing to bet OU has more defensive starters in the NFL than Mizzou does. But like I said, not 100% sure.

As far as I can tell, using depth charts at ESPN.com (not perfect, I know)

OU:
Remi Ayodele (Vikings; stats suggest he hasn't been a regular starter)
Quinton Carter (Broncos)
Dominique Franks (not listed as a starter on the Falcons official site or credited with any starts at NFL.com)
Kelly Gregg (Chiefs)
Curtis Lofton (Falcons)
(Gerald McCoy would be a starter in Tampa, but he's out)

MU:
Ziggy Hood (Pittsburgh)
William Moore (Falcons)
Sean Weatherspoon (Falcons)
Kevin Rutland (Jaguars; starting for the first time on Monday)
Justin Smith (49ers)
Aldon Smith (49ers)

It really depends on who you really count as a starter. MU has five guys who start regularly and a sixth getting his first start tomorrow. OU has three regular starters, a fourth out with an injury, and what looks like two other guys starting who haven't been for most of the season.

OU does have more defensive players on NFL rosters (eight others to two non-starters for MU). But in terms of guys actually starting this weekend, MU actually has more.

Edit: looks like Ayodele has started all season, but somehow only has like 4 tackles. Not sure how that's even possible. Also, I guess I technically shouldn't include Aldon. He splits time with Parys Harrelson, who is the official starter, but Smith has 7.5 sacks through 11 games.

 

[greenbug]

I agree. The offense put way to much pressure on the defense.

OMG...When is this mentality gonna go away? Our defense has been piss poor the majority of the time Brent V. has been here. DEFENSE is the mark of a championship caliber team. Look at LSU yesterday whose offense struggled the first half. What unit held strong until the O got going? DEFENSE people. We give up a ton of points and yards year after year and all I ever hear people complain about is our offense. Did we struggle offensively yesterday? Absolutely...but to sit here and act like the defense wasn't heavily responsible is a joke. IT IS TIME FOR A CHANGE IN DEFENSIVE PHILOSOPHY. I am sick and tired of poor tackling, bad angles, soft coverage, no pressure, lack of physicality etc.
DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS.

 

[stoops4pres]

Why do you keep bringing up these meaningless stats?

When you are consistently a top 10 team, you are going to have FAR more games against lower ranked opponents. Doesn't prove a thing.

Precisely.

Like I said, losing to lower ranked/unraked teams more than teams ranked higher applies to almost all coaches at elite programs.

 

[stoops4pres]

As far as I can tell, using depth charts at ESPN.com (not perfect, I know)

OU:
Remi Ayodele (Vikings; stats suggest he hasn't been a regular starter)
Quinton Carter (Broncos)
Dominique Franks (not listed as a starter on the Falcons official site or credited with any starts at NFL.com)
Kelly Gregg (Chiefs)
Curtis Lofton (Falcons)
(Gerald McCoy would be a starter in Tampa, but he's out)

MU:
Ziggy Hood (Pittsburgh)
William Moore (Falcons)
Sean Weatherspoon (Falcons)
Kevin Rutland (Jaguars; starting for the first time on Monday)
Justin Smith (49ers)
Aldon Smith (49ers)

It really depends on who you really count as a starter. MU has five guys who start regularly and a sixth getting his first start tomorrow. OU has three regular starters, a fourth out with an injury, and what looks like two other guys starting who haven't been for most of the season.

OU does have more defensive players on NFL rosters (eight others to two non-starters for MU). But in terms of guys actually starting this weekend, MU actually has more.

Edit: looks like Ayodele has started all season, but somehow only has like 4 tackles. Not sure how that's even possible. Also, I guess I technically shouldn't include Aldon. He splits time with Parys Harrelson, who is the official starter, but Smith has 7.5 sacks through 11 games.

Yeah I guess you'd call it a wash for starters.

Nevertheless, there should be more for OU lately; there were quite a bit more starting back in the early years of the Stoops era. And I think the abated number of NFL-caliber players on defense correlates to OU's performance statistically... Over the past few years, OU's defense has been very mediocre save for 2009. No excuse for that to happen, and reflects poorly on Venables.

 

[brumFTW]

To be a fair, OU's no huddle offense has been a problem for the defense. When our offense struggles it forces our defense onto the field far quicker than a team with a slower offensive tempo. Also, I'd be curious to see how many snaps our defense has been forced to play over the last 4-5 years.

 

[sperry]

Starters out for the OSU game:

Austin Box
Ronnell Lewis
Dominique Whaley
Ryan Broyles
Adam Shead


Starters seriously hampered by injuries:

Jaz Reynolds (had a bad flu, was throwing up on the sidelines, went to the hospital during the game)
Frank Alexander
Travis Lewis


This team has been decimated by injuries. We've lost tons of guys from the '07 and '08 recruiting classes, so we don't have much depth.

This team will be fine in the future if we stay healthy. Basically the entire offense comes back. Defensively, we bring back almost everyone as well. We're a young team, who got rocked on the road by a top 5 team. Two touchdowns were gifted to them by the ball slipping out of our QBs hands, something that you can't expect to happen very often.


We will be favored to win the Big XII next year, and will probably do so. K-State would appear to be the biggest challenge, but they'll be coming to Norman next year. OSU and Baylor will be neutered. Texas still won't be very good, same goes for Kansas, Iowa St., and Taco Tech. Don't know too much about WVU or TCU, although neither was great this year (although both will be playing in BCS games, testifying to how terrible their conference is).


What I can agree with, is the people that say we need to focus on defense. When you're a great defensive team, bad teams just aren't going to beat you, because after forcing 3 and outs over and over you are eventually going to wear their defense down and put some points on the board.

 

[brumFTW]

Jaz Reynolds (had a bad flu, was throwing up on the sidelines, went to the hospital during the game)

Damn, I didn't know about this.

 

[WTSooner]

Starters out for the OSU game:

Austin Box
Ronnell Lewis
Dominique Whaley
Ryan Broyles
Adam Shead


Starters seriously hampered by injuries:

Jaz Reynolds (had a bad flu, was throwing up on the sidelines, went to the hospital during the game)
Frank Alexander
Travis Lewis


This team has been decimated by injuries. We've lost tons of guys from the '07 and '08 recruiting classes, so we don't have much depth.

Agreed. When I see that list, it's hard for me to be too upset. That isn't factoring in the 2 RB's that transferred, and Haywood, who might have been getting TE snaps as average as our TE play has been.

Just seems like everything that could have went wrong this year, did.