Basketball Season!

[pnkranger]

Well, the football team lost, which means that basketball season starts today! Can't wait!

 

[BigTime]

19 days! Hope those on this board will get the word out to fellow Sooner fans that this team has a good chance to do well. I'd like to see the LNC rocking again for the big conference games.

 

[bocabull]

I have a lot more confidence in Kruger than Stoops. Kruger appears in command and on top of things running an organized, disciplined program.

I don't expect Kruger to blunder away simple game management issues like calling his next to last timeout at the end of a game during a dead ball situation (extra point). With Stoops that happens every game like clockwork and is the product of a sloppy program that sneaks by on talent.

 

[coachd4]

I've read this board for a couple years and I enjoy it, so I figure I will try to contribute a little bit.

Coach Stoops is to loyal to his coaches and players. It's a business he needs to make business decisions. I feel coach Kruger will be more willing to put the players in that give h his best chance at succeeding. Coach Stoops has seemed to lose some of his fire.

 

[bgrch1350]

I have a lot more confidence in Kruger than Stoops. Kruger appears in command and on top of things running an organized, disciplined program.

I don't expect Kruger to blunder away simple game management issues like calling his next to last timeout at the end of a game during a dead ball situation (extra point). With Stoops that happens every game like clockwork and is the product of a sloppy program that sneaks by on talent.

When Kruger wins a national championship, then I'll have more confidence in him than stoops until then not even close.

 

[25mob]

When Kruger wins a national championship, then I'll have more confidence in him than stoops until then not even close.

you can talk that past history stuff all you want but right now LK is on another level coaching compared to the job Stoops is doing.

 

[WTSooner]

you can talk that past history stuff all you want but right now LK is on another level coaching compared to the job Stoops is doing.

You have got to be kidding.

 

[25mob]

You have got to be kidding.

nope.

 

[WTSooner]

smh

 

[DenverSooner]

nope.

I want Kruger to succeed as much as anyone and I have no real complaints but after one year Kruger has not done anything. He posted a losing conference record and did not make the post season his first year. The only possible way you can say he is doing a good job is because you believe he will have a better record this year. Until he actually produces you really can't say what he has accomplished is better than Stoops.

Also lets be clear. OU was an average program under Gibbs. They were horrible under Captain Kangaroo and Blake. Stoops turned it around instantly. Stoops bad years are at least as good as Gibbs tenure. I hate that OU lost. I hate that OU was not very good last year and may not be very good this year but I am happy with Stoops.

 

[WTSooner]

Also lets be clear. OU was an average program under Gibbs. They were horrible under Captain Kangaroo and Blake. Stoops turned it around instantly. Stoops bad years are at least as good as Gibbs tenure. I hate that OU lost. I hate that OU was not very good last year and may not be very good this year but I am happy with Stoops.

Exactly.

You'd think OU basketball fans would understand the value of a program that is consistent year to year, and that has a plan. Some folks wanted Kelvin gone, and now I think most folks would kill to have the program that he left us with back. Same with football. This isn't the 70's and 80's. Building and maintaining a top program is MUCH tougher these days. Ask Florida how easy it was to plug in a good coach after Meyer left, and not experience a drop off. Ask Nebraska, a team that is still trying to get back to their winning ways. Ask Texas, a program that should be consistently better than OU, but hasn't been, since Stoops' arrival. As USC how easy replacing Carroll has been. There are only 3 programs (Bama, Florida, and LSU) and two coaches (Saban, Meyer) who have been better than Stoops since his arrival in Norman. That is pretty elite company if you ask me.

 

[bgrch1350]

I have a lot more confidence in Kruger than Stoops. Kruger appears in command and on top of things running an organized, disciplined program.

I don't expect Kruger to blunder away simple game management issues like calling his next to last timeout at the end of a game during a dead ball situation (extra point). With Stoops that happens every game like clockwork and is the product of a sloppy program that sneaks by on talent.

Exactly.

You'd think OU basketball fans would understand the value of a program that is consistent year to year, and that has a plan. Some folks wanted Kelvin gone, and now I think most folks would kill to have the program that he left us with back. Same with football. This isn't the 70's and 80's. Building and maintaining a top program is MUCH tougher these days. Ask Florida how easy it was to plug in a good coach after Meyer left, and not experience a drop off. Ask Nebraska, a team that is still trying to get back to their winning ways. Ask Texas, a program that should be consistently better than OU, but hasn't been, since Stoops' arrival. As USC how easy replacing Carroll has been. There are only 3 programs (Bama, Florida, and LSU) and two coaches (Saban, Meyer) who have been better than Stoops since his arrival in Norman. That is pretty elite company if you ask me.

Exactly. Knee jerk reactions to losses are stupid. Stoops is a top 5 coach. Football is different than basketball ... one player can change ur whole team n bball and one guy out of position or fumbling the ball or missing an assignment can cost u a game.

Is it stoops fault that bell fumbled it n the red zone or Jones fumbled it for a defensive touchdown. Or Jones threw an interception. Those fall on the player not the coach.

 

[jmizzy4ou]

Exactly.

You'd think OU basketball fans would understand the value of a program that is consistent year to year, and that has a plan. Some folks wanted Kelvin gone, and now I think most folks would kill to have the program that he left us with back. Same with football. This isn't the 70's and 80's. Building and maintaining a top program is MUCH tougher these days. Ask Florida how easy it was to plug in a good coach after Meyer left, and not experience a drop off. Ask Nebraska, a team that is still trying to get back to their winning ways. Ask Texas, a program that should be consistently better than OU, but hasn't been, since Stoops' arrival. As USC how easy replacing Carroll has been. There are only 3 programs (Bama, Florida, and LSU) and two coaches (Saban, Meyer) who have been better than Stoops since his arrival in Norman. That is pretty elite company if you ask me.

:clap:clap:clap

 

[25mob]

Exactly.

You'd think OU basketball fans would understand the value of a program that is consistent year to year, and that has a plan. Some folks wanted Kelvin gone, and now I think most folks would kill to have the program that he left us with back. Same with football. This isn't the 70's and 80's. Building and maintaining a top program is MUCH tougher these days. Ask Florida how easy it was to plug in a good coach after Meyer left, and not experience a drop off. Ask Nebraska, a team that is still trying to get back to their winning ways. Ask Texas, a program that should be consistently better than OU, but hasn't been, since Stoops' arrival. As USC how easy replacing Carroll has been. There are only 3 programs (Bama, Florida, and LSU) and two coaches (Saban, Meyer) who have been better than Stoops since his arrival in Norman. That is pretty elite company if you ask me.

What part of what I posted said anything about firing coach Stoops? That's what you're assuming.

 

[25mob]

I want Kruger to succeed as much as anyone and I have no real complaints but after one year Kruger has not done anything. He posted a losing conference record and did not make the post season his first year. The only possible way you can say he is doing a good job is because you believe he will have a better record this year. Until he actually produces you really can't say what he has accomplished is better than Stoops.

Also lets be clear. OU was an average program under Gibbs. They were horrible under Captain Kangaroo and Blake. Stoops turned it around instantly. Stoops bad years are at least as good as Gibbs tenure. I hate that OU lost. I hate that OU was not very good last year and may not be very good this year but I am happy with Stoops.

The reason I say he is doing a good job is because the team last year was a complete turn around than what we saw before he got here. The guys played with heart, hustle, effort, they were organized and players were asked to do what their strengths are. Yes the win loss may not say this team was a success but the coaching wasn't them problem.

On the other hand with the football team has been sub-par for years on the defensive side of the ball and just about every casual fan saw that the coordinator was in over his head but Stoops continued to let this guy keep his position. Now the same thing is happening on the offensive side of the ball and Stoops has continued to allow the same guy to keep doing what is not working. This we need to execute answer all the coaches keep giving is just so silly when you are asking players to do things they just are not capable of doing. We kept hearing this same thing last year on defense and then at the end of the season coach Stoops says "Well maybe we are asking players to do some things they just couldn't do". My first thought was "so it took you a whole year to figure this out when the average fan has been saying this same thing the whole year"?

Your last sentence is exactly why the football team is in a decline right now... people keep giving him a pass because he has had so much success. Has he forgotten how to coach... No. but has hardened his heart to any kind of criticism... Yes. He is also failing with managing his staff, making sure they are using the players to the best of their abilities and game planning which rarely happened when he was having so much success.

 

[campbest]

The reason I say he is doing a good job is because the team last year was a complete turn around than what we saw before he got here. The guys played with heart, hustle, effort, they were organized and players were asked to do what their strengths are. Yes the win loss may not say this team was a success but the coaching wasn't them problem.

Please, that's how you judge a middle school basketball coach or a Dad coaching his son's team. Let's get a season in conference above .500 before we claim Kruger is doing a better job than Stoops.

haha, laughable.

 

[25mob]

Exactly. Knee jerk reactions to losses are stupid. Stoops is a top 5 coach. Football is different than basketball ... one player can change ur whole team n bball and one guy out of position or fumbling the ball or missing an assignment can cost u a game.

Is it stoops fault that bell fumbled it n the red zone or Jones fumbled it for a defensive touchdown. Or Jones threw an interception. Those fall on the player not the coach.

there is nothing knee jerk about what i said. People have been saying the same thing about Stoops for years now.

It is Stoops fault when the team is running a system that does not fit the personnel trying to execute it. It is Stoops fault when the team has two weeks to prepare and yet they look disorganized and unprepared. It is Stoops fault when the team doesn't make in game adjustments even when it is apparent their QB is struggling. It is Stoops fault when the run is working and then for no reason you go away from it. It is Stoops fault when you put players in position to fail. It is Stoops fault when your QB says he is coming back and wants to work under center and is told he can work more under the center but then has to line up in the shotgun all game. It is Stoops fault when he is not putting the best players on the field. I can keep going on and on but i think you get my point.

Lets be clear again for anyone else who might read this... I never said Stoops should be fired or should step down. He is just letting his stubbornness and loyalty to people who shouldn't be or should have never been in the positions they're in now.

 

[thebigabd]

Stoops needs to take over at Iowa and start another rebuilding job...

Oh, and I agree with Barry Switzer. Bill Snyder is the coach of the century. He might be the best coach in the history of college football. To twice resurrect the worst football program in football and bring them to national prominence. All with juco transfers, under-recruited guys, etc.

 

[WTSooner]

there is nothing knee jerk about what i said. People have been saying the same thing about Stoops for years now.

It is Stoops fault when the team is running a system that does not fit the personnel trying to execute it. It is Stoops fault when the team has two weeks to prepare and yet they look disorganized and unprepared. It is Stoops fault when the team doesn't make in game adjustments even when it is apparent their QB is struggling. It is Stoops fault when the run is working and then for no reason you go away from it. It is Stoops fault when you put players in position to fail. It is Stoops fault when your QB says he is coming back and wants to work under center and is told he can work more under the center but then has to line up in the shotgun all game. It is Stoops fault when he is not putting the best players on the field. I can keep going on and on but i think you get my point.

Lets be clear again for anyone else who might read this... I never said Stoops should be fired or should step down. He is just letting his stubbornness and loyalty to people who shouldn't be or should have never been in the positions they're in now.

So exactly which players that aren't starting or playing much are better than those that are starting?

 

[WaymanFan]

there is nothing knee jerk about what i said. People have been saying the same thing about Stoops for years now.

It is Stoops fault when the team is running a system that does not fit the personnel trying to execute it. It is Stoops fault when the team has two weeks to prepare and yet they look disorganized and unprepared. It is Stoops fault when the team doesn't make in game adjustments even when it is apparent their QB is struggling. It is Stoops fault when the run is working and then for no reason you go away from it. It is Stoops fault when you put players in position to fail. It is Stoops fault when your QB says he is coming back and wants to work under center and is told he can work more under the center but then has to line up in the shotgun all game. It is Stoops fault when he is not putting the best players on the field. I can keep going on and on but i think you get my point.

Lets be clear again for anyone else who might read this... I never said Stoops should be fired or should step down. He is just letting his stubbornness and loyalty to people who shouldn't be or should have never been in the positions they're in now.

You make a lot of valid points. I'm a big Stoops fan, just like I was for Barry. That doesn't mean that I don't/didn't get frustrated with them at times. In Bob's case, it's why Texas has been able to compete with OU in recent years - Mack Brown is not afraid to replace a substandard assistant with someone like Gene Chizik or Will Muschamp.

OU's offense clearly has some coaching issues. On defense, the biggest problem is lack of talent...it's the worst front 7 I've seen at OU in my 40 years as a fan (the Blake years at least had Kelly Gregg). My only hope is that Stoops puts some freshmen in there and one or two has a "Sterling Shepherd-like" impact.