Baylor next year

Mark said:
This why I'm glad we got:sherri175_jpg_xs:
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That's quite a collection of Kim Mulkey videos you have there, Mark! I suspect that you're really a secret admirer, posing as a critic. How about showing us your collection of Sherri Coale videos?

Do you happen to have the video of the Louisville coach sitting on the scorer's table, for which he was awarded a technical?
 
sybarite said:
I don't know how you can be certain about the intangibles when you recruit. If I were to look at Morgan as a character study, from what I know, I would think we have that covered. I don't see a problem child on this team, and that is usually what causes the problem. You have someone that causes dissent. I think that is what you tend to screen for. Can you even tell if someone will have that fire?

Sure you can. If the assistants are doing a good job of scouting the recruits they think OU should sign, they have seen them in action in more than a game or two. It doesn't take long to gauge heart, hustle and desire. Is she a winner? Does she tend to take plays off on defense to save her energy for the offensive end? Does she possess leadership qualities, etc.? Her coach will likely give you a glowing report and gloss over her weaknesses. So, you talk to high school coaches who have seen her in action from the other bench. Talk to people in the community or neighborhood. They may give you more than you bargain for if you ask the right questions in the right way. There are a number of ways to conduct an "investigation" of sorts to determine if a player has those intangibles.

I don't see character as a problem on this team either. While it's important to consider a player's character in recruiting, I don't see it in the same light as the intangibles I have mentioned. If your "investigation" turns up a character flaw, nothing else really matters. The OU men's team now and three years ago is a good example of that.

My favorite basketball player of recent years was Quannas because he was that type. If you have that type of mentality, it can be the Drill Sergeant to your team. Quannas always left me thinking that he could take any player on the court in a street fight, and it really did take an injury to take that team down.

I think DRob had a little of that. Stacey Dales had it. I think that Maria Villeneueva and Dionnah had it. I thought that Morgan had it, but it just wasn't taking. I really think that is Maddie--the type that would love it if Sims took a swing at her.

The players on your list were not only tough as nails, they were great leaders. I said on another thread that this team does not have a true leader, someone who will get in the face of a player when they make a mistake, or call everyone together in the huddle to get them fired up. Whitney Hand had IT. Too bad she is no longer around, because I don't see that from anyone on this team. A good leader can make Sherri's job easier. No wonder she's ready to pull her hair out in frustration sometimes.
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As for the Mulkey/Coale debate, I wouldn't want Kim Mulkey as our coach if she could guarantee that OU would win a national title. I'll be nice and not go in to the reasons why I feel that way.
 
As much as many may dislike Kim Mulkey for whatever reason, you can not deny that she is a good coach. And she is a very respected coach nationally. It's ridiculous to say that how she recruits is out-of-the-norm. Recruiting in general has become a somewhat ugly business. Even the best coaches have been accused of questionable recruiting tactics. Geno Auriemma was accused of using Taurasi and Bird to obtain Maya Moore. If you talked to a group of highly recruited college players, over half of them will likely have been told defamatory or untrue statements about other programs in order to diminish their view of that school or program.

I often don't agree with how Kim Mulkey is acting, but you can not deny that she knows how to coach and she gets results. I always did admire that no matter how great the lead her team may have, she continued to coach until the buzzer sounded at the end of the game. She along with Mike Carey at West Virginia are the Big 12 coaches that you will VERY rarely (if ever) see sitting down. They continue to coach and push their players no matter what scenario their team is in.

You certainly don't have to like Kim Mulkey, but I just don't think you can say that she is a bad coach or is not respected by the basketball community. She won a National Championship before Griner and Sims, and she will likely win another National Championship after Sims is gone.
 
boomer411 said:
As much as many may dislike Kim Mulkey for whatever reason, you can not deny that she is a good coach. And she is a very respected coach nationally. It's ridiculous to say that how she recruits is out-of-the-norm. Recruiting in general has become a somewhat ugly business. Even the best coaches have been accused of questionable recruiting tactics. Geno Auriemma was accused of using Taurasi and Bird to obtain Maya Moore. If you talked to a group of highly recruited college players, over half of them will likely have been told defamatory or untrue statements about other programs in order to diminish their view of that school or program.

I often don't agree with how Kim Mulkey is acting, but you can not deny that she knows how to coach and she gets results. I always did admire that no matter how great the lead her team may have, she continued to coach until the buzzer sounded at the end of the game. She along with Mike Carey at West Virginia are the Big 12 coaches that you will VERY rarely (if ever) see sitting down. They continue to coach and push their players no matter what scenario their team is in.

You certainly don't have to like Kim Mulkey, but I just don't think you can say that she is a bad coach or is not respected by the basketball community. She won a National Championship before Griner and Sims, and she will likely win another National Championship after Sims is gone.
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I think Skeletor is a good coach. I don't think her X's and O's of coaching are that outstanding though. She is, however, an excellent recruiter (cheater) and outstanding motivator (uses the "poor me, poor us" to the fullest extent she can). That being said, I think there are more than a few coaches that could have won more than ONE NC with Griner/Sims and her on court behavior and dealing with media is disgusting. I wonder, now that all her kids are gone from home/graduated, if she'll entertain offers from other schools?
 
While I would love to trade places with Baylor or Oklahoma State in Big 12 standings/records this season, I don't want either of their coaches more than Sherri Coale. I probably wouldn't be a fan of this team without Sherri. I love Sooners in every sport, but I love them less if I see the coach acting/sounding/etc like a jerk.

If you need anti-Baylor therapy, their men lost again last night and their game thread delved into a petty bickering match after the game (see link in sig). Nobody melts down quite like a Texas-based school's fanbase.
 
Ada, you must be a lot better at recognizing leadership quality in young people than I am. I don't think it is that easy to spot which ones will rise to the top in college. They are all team leaders in HS because they are the stars on which their teams depend. Will they continue to be that way inn college? Why is it that we don't find out with some of these whether they will take a leadership role when they are seniors? When I was teaching in college, I still couldn't tell with a good number until the very end of their college careers. As a senior in college, a spark would emerge. Often, the kid who looked like a star as a freshman never finished his sophomore year.

Boomer, what Kim did in recruiting resulted in the first national attack on a women's college coach that I had ever seen. The excuse that everyone cheats is usually invalid. Everyone may park illegally, but few commit murder. What Kim did was something that those who love the sport of women's basketball felt was against the best interests of women's basketball. There is nothing that she can do to overcome the fact that she has done some things that have caused the rest of the sport to want to wash their hands after being around her.

It is interesting that Griner, like the one player on the 2005 team, now finds Baylor a place that they can no longer feel good about or support. Is that what you want as a legacy for your students?
 
boomer411 said:
As much as many may dislike Kim Mulkey for whatever reason, you can not deny that she is a good coach. And she is a very respected coach nationally. It's ridiculous to say that how she recruits is out-of-the-norm. Recruiting in general has become a somewhat ugly business. Even the best coaches have been accused of questionable recruiting tactics. Geno Auriemma was accused of using Taurasi and Bird to obtain Maya Moore. If you talked to a group of highly recruited college players, over half of them will likely have been told defamatory or untrue statements about other programs in order to diminish their view of that school or program.

I often don't agree with how Kim Mulkey is acting, but you can not deny that she knows how to coach and she gets results. I always did admire that no matter how great the lead her team may have, she continued to coach until the buzzer sounded at the end of the game. She along with Mike Carey at West Virginia are the Big 12 coaches that you will VERY rarely (if ever) see sitting down. They continue to coach and push their players no matter what scenario their team is in.

You certainly don't have to like Kim Mulkey, but I just don't think you can say that she is a bad coach or is not respected by the basketball community. She won a National Championship before Griner and Sims, and she will likely win another National Championship after Sims is gone.
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Boomer, I agree with you. While I don't like to see any coach act like a moron on the sidelines, it almost seems as though some cannot help themselves. Billy Tubbs was a constant complainer. He started complaining about the officiating when he got off the bus. It was also reported he and his team showed poor sportsmanship at some of the away games. Kelvin was a constant complainer and even threw himself on the floor in at least one game. Did any Sooners here call for Billy or Kelvin to be disciplined or fired? If so, I didn't hear of it. Is Kim any worse than either of them? I'm not sure she is. I didn't want Billy or Kelvin fired but I didn't really like their antics either just as I don't like Kim's antics.

One of the best coaches in America, Bob Knight, acted like a complete jerk on more than one occasion. Indiana fans were fine with it. Other fans across the country thought he was a jerk of the inth degree. I'm pretty sure fans from other teams also thought Billy was a jerk. Some probably thought the same of Kelvin.

The bottom line is, Kim's behavior is over the line as far as most of us are concerned but, she is a heck of a coach. She is a very good recruiter, good Xs and Os coach, and has taken over this league in recent years. Go to the Big 12 Conference stats and see just how many categories Baylor leads the league in. You don't do that by accident. Sherri needs to hit the recruiting trails hard to get us back up to Baylor's level.
 
SoonerNorm said:
Boomer, I agree with you. While I don't like to see any coach act like a moron on the sidelines, it almost seems as though some cannot help themselves. Billy Tubbs was a constant complainer. He started complaining about the officiating when he got off the bus. It was also reported he and his team showed poor sportsmanship at some of the away games. Kelvin was a constant complainer and even threw himself on the floor in at least one game. Did any Sooners here call for Billy or Kelvin to be disciplined or fired? If so, I didn't hear of it. Is Kim any worse than either of them? I'm not sure she is. I didn't want Billy or Kelvin fired but I didn't really like their antics either just as I don't like Kim's antics.

One of the best coaches in America, Bob Knight, acted like a complete jerk on more than one occasion. Indiana fans were fine with it. Other fans across the country thought he was a jerk of the inth degree. I'm pretty sure fans from other teams also thought Billy was a jerk. Some probably thought the same of Kelvin.

The bottom line is, Kim's behavior is over the line as far as most of us are concerned but, she is a heck of a coach. She is a very good recruiter, good Xs and Os coach, and has taken over this league in recent years. Go to the Big 12 Conference stats and see just how many categories Baylor leads the league in. You don't do that by accident. Sherri needs to hit the recruiting trails hard to get us back up to Baylor's level.
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Big12 said:
That's quite a collection of Kim Mulkey videos you have there, Mark! I suspect that you're really a secret admirer, posing as a critic. How about showing us your collection of Sherri Coale videos?

Do you happen to have the video of the Louisville coach sitting on the scorer's table, for which he was awarded a technical?
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I must admit in my younger days I went to the strip clubs a lot so I do secretly like strippers.
 
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SoonerNorm said:
Boomer, I agree with you. While I don't like to see any coach act like a moron on the sidelines, it almost seems as though some cannot help themselves. Billy Tubbs was a constant complainer. He started complaining about the officiating when he got off the bus. It was also reported he and his team showed poor sportsmanship at some of the away games. Kelvin was a constant complainer and even threw himself on the floor in at least one game. Did any Sooners here call for Billy or Kelvin to be disciplined or fired? If so, I didn't hear of it. Is Kim any worse than either of them? I'm not sure she is. I didn't want Billy or Kelvin fired but I didn't really like their antics either just as I don't like Kim's antics.

One of the best coaches in America, Bob Knight, acted like a complete jerk on more than one occasion. Indiana fans were fine with it. Other fans across the country thought he was a jerk of the inth degree. I'm pretty sure fans from other teams also thought Billy was a jerk. Some probably thought the same of Kelvin.

The bottom line is, Kim's behavior is over the line as far as most of us are concerned but, she is a heck of a coach. She is a very good recruiter, good Xs and Os coach, and has taken over this league in recent years. Go to the Big 12 Conference stats and see just how many categories Baylor leads the league in. You don't do that by accident. Sherri needs to hit the recruiting trails hard to get us back up to Baylor's level.
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SoonerNorm, you took the words right out of my mouth!! :)
 
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sybarite said:
Until Baylor can beat UConn and ND regularly, their system isn't really all that effective.
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Baylor has beaten Uconn 2 out of the last 3 years.

Baylor has never(that's right, never) lost to Notre Dame. Mulkey is 3-0.

TC
 
so according to sybarite,Sherri's system must not be really all that effective since she's never beaten uconn & only beaten nd once...
 
annabelle said:
so according to sybarite,Sherri's system must not be really all that effective since she's never beaten uconn & only beaten nd once...
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So, your system is for Sherri to violate the integrity of the game?
 
I said nothing about,nor do I expect Sherri "to violate the integrity of the game".
 
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