Baylor recruiting?

[NorthCarolinaSooner]

Also...head coaches are as good as their assistants a lot of times. The assistants do most of the development.

 

[AdaSooner]

Also...head coaches are as good as their assistants a lot of times. The assistants do most of the development.

I have said the same things for years. The head coach gets the blame (and it’s true they’re ultimately responsible), but the assistants are the ones who spend time with player development. The same can also be said for recruiting.

You know that, of course. Aren’t you a head coach?

 

[NorthCarolinaSooner]

I have said the same things for years. The head coach gets the blame (and it’s true they’re ultimately responsible), but the assistants are the ones who spend time with player development. The same can also be said for recruiting.

You know that, of course. Aren’t you a head coach?

I was a college head coach at a small school for 3 years. Went back to the HS level and moved back to Texas.

A solid asst changed our program quick when I was at the college level. I brought in two 1000 point scorers in my first recruiting class...my asst brought an all american in to go with the pieces I had already brought in. By my third season we could compete with anyone close to our level. The NAIA national runner up beat us by 6 that year...we went to Mercer the year they beat Duke in the NCAA tournament and had 5 TOs in 40 minutes(got killed anyway). Without my assts we would not have been as competitive as we were.

 

[AdaSooner]

I was a college head coach at a small school for 3 years. Went back to the HS level and moved back to Texas.

A solid asst changed our program quick when I was at the college level. I brought in two 1000 point scorers in my first recruiting class...my asst brought an all american in to go with the pieces I had already brought in. By my third season we could compete with anyone close to our level. The NAIA national runner up beat us by 6 that year...we went to Mercer the year they beat Duke in the NCAA tournament and had 5 TOs in 40 minutes(got killed anyway). Without my assts we would not have been as competitive as we were.

Good info, NCSooner! I’m glad you confirmed what I have been saying for a long time: assistants can make or break a head coach.

Lon knew that all too well. OU’s recruiting and player development were noticeably worse when Steve Henson and the late Lew Hill left Norman. Hartman made some inroads in recruiting the last year or two. But we were still a long way from our FF days when Henson and Hill were on staff.

 

[MsProudSooner]

I remember when Baylor was a perennial Big 12 bottom feeder, and so do you. In those days, Scott Drew was said to be a great recruiter and no better than an average coach. There were also rumors that Drew and Baylor cheated, and there were reasons to believe that back then. Despite the Bears lowly reputation, they were in on some of the top players in the country every season.

I have no idea if those rumors were true? Their football coach, Art Briles, was the worst of the worst. He was fired for covering up seventeen reports of rapes by his football players.

Scott Drew is a saint by comparison. To my knowledge he has never been linked to anything dirty, including cheating to get high profile recruits. He has also come along way as a coach in the last few years.

I’m looking forward to tomorrow night’s game.

I agree he's a saint compared to Briles. I think Baylor is a cesspool and he is a beneficiary.

 

[WaymanFan]

So, MsProudSooner, who are you rooting for in the title game? :ez-laugh:

 

[MsProudSooner]

So, MsProudSooner, who are you rooting for in the title game? :ez-laugh:

I was pulling for Stanford. I hadn't seen them play until the early rounds of the tournament. Arizona had the better guards and Stanford was a deeper team. The Arizona coach should get some kind of award. New baby in October and on the road with the baby and her team for all that time!

It was a good game. Not quite as good as Gonzaga/UCLA, but very good.

For the men, I'll be pulling for Gonzaga. I don't know if they can pull it off, though. They'll have to play better than they did against UCLA.

 

[WaymanFan]

Yes, I had a feeling you would be rooting for Gonzaga . I am as well. I just don't get the "pull for your conference" thing. I rooted for Virginia against TTech two years ago as well. Perhaps I could get behind ISU or KSU if they were ever in a title game, but that's about it for me.

 

[Romulus]

Baylor just has dudes! I don’t think they are paying these dudes. Just a perfect group of dudes!

Drew and staff have come a long way!

agree 100%

 

[MJSooner]

Yes, I had a feeling you would be rooting for Gonzaga . I am as well. I just don't get the "pull for your conference" thing. I rooted for Virginia against TTech two years ago as well. Perhaps I could get behind ISU or KSU if they were ever in a title game, but that's about it for me.

Same. I have never understood the whole "root for the conference".

If Baylor wins tonight, how does that benefit OU basketball? Do we get to hang a mini national champions banner that says Big XII from the rafters our first home game next year? Do we get a recruiting boost? Do donors give more to our program because Baylor wins? Do McK and the rest of the Sooner Club get more requests for season tickets tomorrow if Baylor wins?

Of course not, and those statements sound ludicrous, but those are the benefits if YOUR school wins, and none of those benefits go to the other 9 schools in the conference. Frankly, Baylor winning could actually harm us, specifically in recruiting.

Conference bragging rights mean nothing for the on-the-court product.

 

[pnkranger]

Legitimizes the conference to national recruits. But I understand both sides.

 

[WTSooner]

I understand both sides as well. I'm pulling for Baylor tonight mostly b/c I know people that went there, and I like what Drew has done over the long run to build them up. Most any other year I'd be pulling for Zaga, but I'm hoping Baylor gets it done tonight.

 

[MJSooner]

Legitimizes the conference to national recruits. But I understand both sides.

I don't completely disagree, but the Big XII as a conference is already legitimate, IMO, as much as it can be. Gonzaga winning will not distract from that and the legitimization only really helps Baylor.

For example, does Kansas wining a national championship in basketball or by some dream Texass winning a NC in football help OU and the rest of the teams in recruiting? No, those schools reap the benefits, not OU.

I would buy into your position if we were the AAC, but not the Big XII.

 

[Sooner04]

I do not root for the conference. If KU is playing Satan's Minions I'm arriving with a foam pitchfork.

Go Zags.