Baylor's Non-Conference Schedule

Better to wait until OUr schedule comes out before bashing someone else.
 
gosooner2 said:
Better to wait until OUr schedule comes out before bashing someone else.
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According to the Season Ticket Renewal mailer, our Home OOC schedule (excluding exhibitions) includes:

Preseason WNIT Nov 8, 10, 14 and 17
University of Texas - Arlington
UCLA
Creighton
Western Illinois
Duke
Maryland-Eastern Shore
Fairfield
Marist
Samford

There's been some discussion about whether we are really playing Marist & UCLA at home since we played them at home last year.

I don't know whether we have any away OOC games.

According to the WNIT website, these are the teams in this year's Preseason WNIT:

Georgia State (Sun Belt)
Gonzaga (West Coast)
Idaho (Western Athletic)
IPFW (Summit)
Louisville (American Athletic)
Loyola Chicago (Missouri Valley)
LSU (SEC)
Mount St. Mary's (Northeast)
North Carolina A&T (MEAC)
Oklahoma (Big 12)
Quinnipiac (Metro Atlantic)
Saint Joseph's (Atlantic 10)
Stephen F. Austin (Southland)
Stetson (Atlantic Sun)
Tennessee-Martin (Ohio Valley)
Wichita State (Missouri Valley)
 
332 Maryland-Eastern Shore
309 UTA
254 Western Illinois
230 Samford
192 Fairfield
43 Marist
41 Creighton
11 UCLA
5 Duke

NIT
250 Georgia State
245 IPFW
206 Stephen F. Austin
202 Mount St. Marys
171 Loyola
131 Idaho
105 Tennessee Martin
91 Stetson
58 Wichita State
40 Quinnipiac
33 LSU
32 St. Josephs
31 Gonzaga
30 Oklahoma
22 Louisville
 
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Thanks for posting the schedule MPS. As for last years RPI that was last year. Guess I don't see enough difference to warrant this thread! Time will tell.
 
MsProudSooner said:
There's been some discussion about whether we are really playing Marist & UCLA at home since we played them at home last year.
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Per Guy Austin both Marist and UCLA will be away games; the Athletic Ticket Office admits to a printing error.
 
I would think if we bface Louisville in the WNIT finals, that could be on the road also. They should be the overall number 1 seed in the tourney. I have a hard time believing the game would be at LNC.
 
soonerstar said:
I would think if we bface Louisville in the WNIT finals, that could be on the road also. They should be the overall number 1 seed in the tourney. I have a hard time believing the game would be at LNC.
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In previous years the teams with the highest tourney attendance hosted the next round. However, this year's final is being nationally televised for the first time. Attendance for the final may not be a deciding factor now.
 
YCN said:
In previous years the teams with the highest tourney attendance hosted the next round. However, this year's final is being nationally televised for the first time. Attendance for the final may not be a deciding factor now.
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Attendance averages probably would not be to the Sooners advantage against Louisville. In 2012 Louisville was number 2 in attendance averaging 10,670 while the Sooners averaged only 6,851.

Average attendance posted toward the bottom of the attached link.

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/w_basketball_RB/reports/Attend/12att.pdf
 
SoonerSpock said:
Attendance averages probably would not be to the Sooners advantage against Louisville. In 2012 Louisville was number 2 in attendance averaging 10,670 while the Sooners averaged only 6,851.

Average attendance posted toward the bottom of the attached link.

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/w_basketball_RB/reports/Attend/12att.pdf
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Louisville has a HUGE fieldhouse, much bigger than Lloyd Noble (22K vs. 12K), so those big rivalries with Notre Dame and UConn, as well as key non-conference games, can have a huge effect on their average attendance, especially if there are "incentive games" involved.

I've learned not to pay too much attention to yearly team attendance stats because of that and other things. So whether or not the Cardinals make the tourney final (they'll likely need to beat a very good LSU team first), it's not a given that they'd host a final in the first tourney of the year.

And OU will have to win three games first to get there, including a possible game with Gonzaga, another outstanding team that could easily beat the Sooners, especially if played at their house.

BTW, here are the bracket games from the 2013 Preseason WNIT:


Stetson @ Oklahoma, Friday 11/8, 7 pm CT
IPFW @ Wichita State, Friday 11/8, 12:05 pm CT

Georgia State @ Tennessee-Martin, Friday 11/8, 7 pm CT
Idaho @ Gonzaga, Friday 11/8, 6 pm PT

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Loyola Chicago @ Louisville, Saturday 11/9, time TBD
North Carolina A&T @ Quinnipiac, Friday 11/8, 5 pm ET

Mount St. Mary's @ Saint Joseph's, Friday 11/8, 7 pm ET
Stephen F. Austin @ LSU, Friday 11/8, 7 pm CT


The winners of each pair of games listed above play second round winner's bracket games on either Sunday 11/10 or Monday 11/11. The winners of those games play in the semifinals on Thursday 11/14, with the final on Sunday 11/17 at 2 pm CT, nationally televised on CBS Sports Network. Presumably as before, games after the first round are sited based upon prior game attendance in the tourney.

I'd attach the presumably preliminary bracket to the post (courtesy of someone at Gonzaga who posted it on Facebook), but the pdf file is too large to attach. (93.5KB)

To me, the most likely semifinals appear to be Gonzaga/Oklahoma and LSU/Louisville. But they have to play the games first...
 
YCN said:
Louisville has a HUGE fieldhouse, much bigger than Lloyd Noble (22K vs. 12K), so those big rivalries with Notre Dame and UConn, as well as key non-conference games, can have a huge effect on their average attendance, especially if there are "incentive games" involved.

I've learned not to pay too much attention to yearly team attendance stats because of that and other things. So whether or not the Cardinals make the tourney final (they'll likely need to beat a very good LSU team first), it's not a given that they'd host a final in the first tourney of the year.

And OU will have to win three games first to get there, including a possible game with Gonzaga, another outstanding team that could easily beat the Sooners, especially if played at their house.

BTW, here are the bracket games from the 2013 Preseason WNIT:


Stetson @ Oklahoma, Friday 11/8, 7 pm CT
IPFW @ Wichita State, Friday 11/8, 12:05 pm CT

Georgia State @ Tennessee-Martin, Friday 11/8, 7 pm CT
Idaho @ Gonzaga, Friday 11/8, 6 pm PT

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Loyola Chicago @ Louisville, Saturday 11/9, time TBD
North Carolina A&T @ Quinnipiac, Friday 11/8, 5 pm ET

Mount St. Mary's @ Saint Joseph's, Friday 11/8, 7 pm ET
Stephen F. Austin @ LSU, Friday 11/8, 7 pm CT


The winners of each pair of games listed above play second round winner's bracket games on either Sunday 11/10 or Monday 11/11. The winners of those games play in the semifinals on Thursday 11/14, with the final on Sunday 11/17 at 2 pm CT, nationally televised on CBS Sports Network. Presumably as before, games after the first round are sited based upon prior game attendance in the tourney.

I'd attach the presumably preliminary bracket to the post (courtesy of someone at Gonzaga who posted it on Facebook), but the pdf file is too large to attach. (93.5KB)

To me, the most likely semifinals appear to be Gonzaga/Oklahoma and LSU/Louisville. But they have to play the games first...
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I concur that field house capacity can allow for some distortion in average attendance when comparing two schools. However in 2012-13 Louisville played both Notre Dame and Connecticut on the road only. Also they had 17 regular season home games with only aTm, Kentucky, Rutgers, St. Johns and Georgetown teams that could be considered big conference/non-conference games likely/possible to sellout. They did not have an attendance in excess of 11,000 except for the St. Johns (11,543) and Kentucky (15,496) for the entire season including two NCAA games.

The interesting aspect of their attendance in 2012 was that they averaged 8,008 per game for Tennessee State, Wagner College, Washington State, Valparaiso and Eastern Kentucky which is 1,200 than the Sooners averaged for the season
 
The OU OOC schedule has been up for a couple of days now

Fri, Nov 08 Stetson Norman 7:00 p.m.

Sun, Nov 10 TBA Norman TBA

Thu, Nov 14 TBA Norman TBA

Sun, Nov 17 TBA Norman TBA

Wed, Nov 20 UT Arlington Norman TBA

Sun, Nov 24 UCLA at Los Angeles TBA

Sun, Dec 01 Creighton Norman TBA

Wed, Dec 04 Western Illinois Norman TBA

Sun, Dec 08 Duke Norman TBA

Sun, Dec 15 Maryland Eastern Shore Norman TBA

Wed, Dec 18 Fairfield at Fairfield, Conn. TBA

Sat, Dec 21 Marist at Poughkeepsie, N.Y. TBA

Sun, Dec 29 Samford Norman TBA

http://www.soonersports.com/SportSelect.dbml?&DB_OEM_ID=31000&SPID=127261&SPSID=750398
 
Baylor will be pretty young this year. They may only start one senior (Sims), a sophomore (Alexis Prince) and perhaps a couple of freshmen (Small and Wright). I would think sophomore Kristina Higgins might have a good chance to start at center.

This should be OU's year to win 2-3 from the Bears.
 
Looking at OU's non-conference schedule for this season, it does not appear to be dramatically superior to that of Baylor.

Baylor plays a couple of legit programs(Kentucky and Uconn) and then a bunch of nobodies.

OU plays a couple of legit programs(UCLA and Duke) and then a bunch of nobodies.

TC
 
True Colors said:
Looking at OU's non-conference schedule for this season, it does not appear to be dramatically superior to that of Baylor.

Baylor plays a couple of legit programs(Kentucky and Uconn) and then a bunch of nobodies.

OU plays a couple of legit programs(UCLA and Duke) and then a bunch of nobodies.

TC
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I looked up the teams in the preseason WNIT and copied the ones who appear to be the best on paper below. In addition to OU, the Preseason WNIT includes:

Gonzaga is loaded again and will expect to make the NCAA Tournament for the sixth straight season under coach Kelly Graves. The Bulldogs (27-6 a year ago and winners of the West Coast Conference with a 15-1 mark) welcome back four starters for their first Preseason WNIT appearance.

Idaho comes off a banner year in which the Vandals captured their first conference championship in 28 years. The WAC Tournament champions (17-16) have all five starters back this fall.

LSU is coming off of its most successful postseason since 2008, as the Nikki Caldwell-coached Tigers (22-12) made it to the Sweet 16. National Player of the Year candidate Theresa Plaisance, who led the SEC in scoring with 17.0 ppg last year and was fourth with 8.3 rebounds a game, heads up the veteran team.

Saint Joseph’s returned to the NCAA Tournament for the first time since 2000. Three starters return from Cindy Griffin’s 23-8 team that went 11-3 in the Atlantic 10 and captured the A-10 Tournament title.

Stetson (24-9) has put together its best four years in school history, including a school-record 24 wins last season. Lynn Bria gets three starters back from a squad that has been to three straight postseasons, capped by the recent NCAA Tournament appearance.

Tennessee-Martin was the only team in the nation (19-15) to boast two players in the Top 10 scorers, and both of them are coming back for more in 2013. Two-time Ohio Valley Conference Player of the Year Jasmine Newsome (22.6 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 5.5 apg) teams with three-time OVC first-teamer Heather Butler (22.4 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 4.0 apg) as the Skyhawks prepare to win their fourth straight OVC Tournament title and ensuing NCAA Tournament berth.

and Louisville. I'm sure you remember Louisville, so I won't include their resume.

So if we play well, we have the opportunity to play a couple more quality teams which would give us more quality opponents that BU.
 
sybarite said:
I'll briefly restate the Muhammad Ali story of how he survived the onslaught of a younger and more powerful champion in Foreman. Once he saw how hard Foreman hit, and also saw that Foreman had been taught well on how to cut the ring off where he couldn't evade Foreman by running, he decided to let Foreman punch himself out. He was counting on something that he had learned. The first time that a fighter is really hit hard, he enters a kaleidoscope room in which the the alligators are playing saxophones, and the giraffes are blowing bugles. The first time that a fighter enters that room, it is often difficult to find your way out. An experienced fighter knows that there is a door and looks for it. But, Foreman had never been in that room. So, he waited until Foreman began to tire and saw a chance. He sent Foreman into that room, just long enough to win the fight. Had Foreman been too that room previously, he would probably have beaten the count.

When you don't play a strong enough schedule to make sure that your team has been in that room, it is difficult to survive when you are. If you look into the past, Baylor has had trouble getting out of that room in time in key games. We have won some close ones with Baylor. They lost to A&M and Louisville because they woke up too late. They hadn't been in that room in any of these cases.
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Well, so much for the Muhammad Ali theory.

Last year Baylor had the #1 strength of schedule in the entire nation, but lost in the sweet 16.

This year Baylor had a much weaker schedule, but advanced farther in the NCAA tournament than last year.

This year OU had a stronger strength of schedule than Baylor did, but OU went winless in the NCAA tournament.

Moral of the story? Things like the Muhammad Ali theory sometimes sound good in concept, but in the real world, they are actually pretty meaningless.

TC
 
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