Bobby Knight

[Northbase]

I was just thinking about what a fantastic legacy he left at Texas Tech: 3 conferences championships, 1 National Title, 8 All Americans, and and and :ez-roll:


Oh, wait, non of that happened. Wow, Tech sure wasted some years on him when they could have been building their program with a young charismatic coach.:facepalm

 

[realdallassooner]

I was just thinking about what a fantastic legacy he left at Texas Tech: 3 conferences championships, 1 National Title, 8 All Americans, and and and :ez-roll:


Oh, wait, non of that happened. Wow, Tech sure wasted some years on him when they could have been building their program with a young charismatic coach.:facepalm

Like Capel? Unfortunately for your silly post Bobby Knights resume will stand up against basically anyones in coaching and any other profession.

I didn't always like what he did, and while he didn't win as much at Tech, it's hard to say that guy in his prime didn't know how to coach ball.

 

[bocabull]

Bobby Knight was a decent coach before the best athletes started focusing on basketball. Once that happened he could not compete.

 

[realdallassooner]

Bobby Knight was a decent coach before the best athletes started focusing on basketball. Once that happened he could not compete.

I just fell out of my chair. "Decent" coach. :facepalm

 

[Northbase]

His Indiana resume' was excellent, and he definitely knows the game. He is a person who did no seem to be able to "grow an inch" personally, and was unable to evolve as a human to better communicate, socialize, lead, and INSPIRE, young athletes. Kids just did not want to play for an a$$. Discipline does not have to be, nor functions better, coming from a jerk.

(silly post are fun!)

 

[comptroller]

I would take Bob Knights tenure at TT over the last two years of bball at OU.

 

[comptroller]

And he is a great coach, a jerk sometimes, but a great coach.

 

[campbest]

Knight to me suffered with the inability to adapt to the change of the game. Went to his position camp as a junior/senior in high school and learned more from a positioning and fundamental standpoint than anywhere else. He definitely understands that part of the game, and the little tweaks and nuances make a HUGE difference.

However, he's too stubborn and set in his ways to adapt a cultural change...which is part of coaching. Communicating, teaching, inspiring, are all characteristics of the job which he lacked toward the end of his tenure. As the athletes have gotten better, some of his schemes just don't work as well as they used to, doesn't mean they aren't good, they just need to be changed a little. His approach today doesn't mesh with the demographic change and he refused to adopt until he was reprimanded by the NCAA and his school.

 

[bgrch1350]

This is a stupid post. Look at TT before he got there and look at it after he left. He took that team to the sweet 16. I know BCG will do better than Pat Knight, but I doubt he does better than bob.

 

[WaymanFan]

I can't stand Bobby Knight. I first started to seriously dislike him back in '87 when Indiana should have lost to LSU in the Elite Eight. Knight intimidated the officials late in the game, and they came back to win. The LSU coach at the time, Dale Brown said it took him years to forgive Knight. Then, my dislike skyrocketed over his obsession with "Clock-Gate" in 2003.

With that said, the guy did a better job for TTech than I thought he would do. In six full seasons he won more than 20 games five times...doubt TTech will ever have a run like that again in our lifetimes. He also went to four NCAA Tournaments in those six years, advancing to the Sweet 16 in 2005.

There are a lot of reasons to make fun of the guy, but don't think what he accomplished in Lubbock is one of them.

 

[skyvue]

I wonder if any of those who rush to defend Knight every time he's denigrated on these boards are also dues-paying members of the Anyone But Kelvin Sampson Torch-Bearing Mob that so long thrived around these parts.

I mean, there's no denying Knight was a successful coach, but it's ironic that he receives more than his share of "He was a jerk, but ...." defenses, while a certain faction of our fans, in describing our own very successful coach, tended to place a period, not a comma, after "He was a jerk." For those folks, there was no "but."

(I know, I know -- Sampson was not as successful a coach as Knight, but he was plenty successful enough to deserve a "but" from the haters.)

 

[comptroller]

I love Kelvin, I wish he was still our coach. What Kelvin did at OU was amazing. His run was close to Tubbs if not equal in a time that college bball was an ever changing product. But to say that Knight was a mediocre coach is absurd. He won 3 NC's and took several other teams to the final four. I don't care if Kelvin, Knight, or Coach K are jerks you can't argue with results.

 

[Northbase]

Booby Knight has a great, great basketball mind, as he has been declared for years from ****y V and the rest of the media, "one of the great b-ball leaders and b-ball strategist". He could have been a great Icon of college Coaches if he had been a better person. He disseminated as much ill will, anger, and disruptiveness, as he did wins.

 

[Cruncher]

Knight was a bully and a jerk. Nothing about his coaching changes this or matters. Nobody wants an obituary that says I was a jerk, a bully and a bad example of character- but, I could really coach.

 

[campbest]

I can't stand Bobby Knight. I first started to seriously dislike him back in '87 when Indiana should have lost to LSU in the Elite Eight. Knight intimidated the officials late in the game, and they came back to win. The LSU coach at the time, Dale Brown said it took him years to forgive Knight. Then, my dislike skyrocketed over his obsession with "Clock-Gate" in 2003.

Very similar to our fanbase's inability to let go of the Oregon game...Tech got screwed.

 

[WaymanFan]

Very similar to our fanbase's inability to let go of the Oregon game...Tech got screwed.

Apples...oranges. I don't remember Bob Stoops spending the next several years bashing the refs and the replay guy. Also, comparing a timekeeper who started the clock a half-second late to something that reeked of sheer corruption seems a bit misguided. Had the shot-clock started on time, Hollis shoots about 5-7 feet further back.

Here's another example of Knight's anger and bitterness. He waited until Mike Davis was on the hot seat at Indiana before holding a press conference to let everyone know how bad of an assistant coach he was. Most coaches eventually "let things go" at least publicly...not something Bob Knight was ever capable of doing.

 

[stoops4pres]

Apples...oranges. I don't remember Bob Stoops spending the next several years bashing the refs and the replay guy. Also, comparing a timekeeper who started the clock a half-second late to something that reeked of sheer corruption seems a bit misguided. Had the shot-clock started on time, Hollis shoots about 5-7 feet further back.

Agreed. Furthermore, not many people remember but Hollis was deliberately fouled while taking it coast-to-coast. I am pretty sure Tech was in the bonus, therefore it would've given Hollis a chance to send the game into overtime from the line (and he was one of the best free throw shooters in the country that season).

Obviously no one knows if Hollis would've nailed both free throws had the refs made the correct call. However, the chances of reversing the outcome were much more probable than the screw job at Oregon, where OU just would've had to kneel the ball to end the game had the correct call been made.

 

[skyvue]

Very similar to our fanbase's inability to let go of the Oregon game...Tech got screwed.

Your example is laughable, given Knight's behavior following the game. It actually makes the opposite point you were trying to make, since Coach Stoops's classy reaction following the UO debacle just shows what an utter and complete Knight is and was.

Price was indeed fouled, and what's more, he had a view of how much time was left the whole time. He could have -- and would have -- pulled up and shot from wherever he needed to, even if the clock had been handled correctly. Would he have made the shot from a bit further out? We'll never know, but there's no guarantee he wouldn't have.

The calls in the UO game were so much more egregious than the few tenths of a second in the Tech game that they cannot be compared.

Also, all Price did was extend the game to overtime. Tech could still have won the game there and has no room for complaints.

Not to mention, Tech benefited from calls every bit as outrageously bad in our football game the year before in Lubbock. I didn't hear Knight adress that outrage at the time, though he sure piped up after the UO debacle, further demonstrating his hypocrisy.

All in all, you offered a really a ridiculous comparison. Care to try again?

 

[campbest]

Your example is laughable, given Knight's behavior following the game. It actually makes the opposite point you were trying to make, since Coach Stoops's classy reaction following the UO debacle just shows what an utter and complete Knight is and was.

Price was indeed fouled, and what's more, he had a view of how much time was left the whole time. He could have -- and would have -- pulled up and shot from wherever he needed to, even if the clock had been handled correctly. Would he have made the shot from a bit further out? We'll never know, but there's no guarantee he wouldn't have.

The calls in the UO game were so much more egregious than the few tenths of a second in the Tech game that they cannot be compared.

Also, all Price did was extend the game to overtime. Tech could still have won the game there and has no room for complaints.

Not to mention, Tech benefited from calls every bit as outrageously bad in our football game the year before in Lubbock. I didn't hear Knight adress that outrage at the time, though he sure piped up after the UO debacle, further demonstrating his hypocrisy.

All in all, you offered a really a ridiculous comparison. Care to try again?

haha, really struck a nerve here. Notice I used the term "fanbase" in comparison with Knight...who brought up Stoops? Boren publicly called and lobbied for Oregon to forfeit the game.

Also, all Price did was extend the game to overtime. Tech could still have won the game there and has no room for complaints.

Even though OU still had the opportunity to stop Oregon from scoring?

Would he have made the shot from a bit further out? We'll never know, but there's no guarantee he wouldn't have.

Is there any guarantee OU downs the ball without a mishap? Bottom line both fanbase and coach need to get over the respective losses, sad that there are still some OU fans who are not over it five years later.

 

[stoops4pres]

Your example is laughable, given Knight's behavior following the game. It actually makes the opposite point you were trying to make, since Coach Stoops's classy reaction following the UO debacle just shows what an utter and complete Knight is and was.

Price was indeed fouled, and what's more, he had a view of how much time was left the whole time. He could have -- and would have -- pulled up and shot from wherever he needed to, even if the clock had been handled correctly. Would he have made the shot from a bit further out? We'll never know, but there's no guarantee he wouldn't have.

The calls in the UO game were so much more egregious than the few tenths of a second in the Tech game that they cannot be compared.

Also, all Price did was extend the game to overtime. Tech could still have won the game there and has no room for complaints.

Not to mention, Tech benefited from calls every bit as outrageously bad in our football game the year before in Lubbock. I didn't hear Knight adress that outrage at the time, though he sure piped up after the UO debacle, further demonstrating his hypocrisy.

All in all, you offered a really a ridiculous comparison. Care to try again?

To be fair, OU still could've won the Oregon debacle as well, had Hartley's kick not been blocked. That is a testament to the guys that day since they didn't give up, regardless of how pathetic that instant replay catastrophe was. To digress further, I also hated that AD had a game for the ages but was completely overshadowed by the game's denouement. I have never seen a running back take over the second half of a game like he did that day.

But back to the discussion, I do agree with your overall point. And as far as fanbases are concerned, Tech doesn't have near as much room to gripe as OU did.