Bruce Pearl done.

[Mr.B!!!]

There are too many good options available to OU...

I really think Buzz Williams, Johnny Jones, or Terry Evans would all get the program back on track.

First BoB and now ABD...holy crap I feel like I'm in the twilight zone. I agree with your statement 100% on Evans' but have not heard the reasoning behind it.

 

[coolm]

It just doesn't look good for a program marred with NCAA problems to hire one of the current poster-children of NCAA problems. It looks terrible, actually.

"It just doesn't look good...?"

Really, since none of the logic is ever combated this is pretty much all you non-BP'ers point to. It doesn't "look" good.

Who cares what others think in that regard? If we get past the NCAA issues, get our recruits, win games, and our program thrives then who gives a rats patoot if it "looks good" or not?

I am pretty sure style points don't win games...if so Kelvin would have lost many more of his. I seem to remember everyone all over UConn for some of their actions and always ragging on Miami for theirs - and both cried about it all the way to NC's and program success.

 

[steverocks35]

"It just doesn't look good...?"

Really, since none of the logic is ever combated this is pretty much all you non-BP'ers point to. It doesn't "look" good.

Who cares what others think in that regard? If we get past the NCAA issues, get our recruits, win games, and our program thrives then who gives a rats patoot if it "looks good" or not?

I am pretty sure style points don't win games...if so Kelvin would have lost many more of his. I seem to remember everyone all over UConn for some of their actions and always ragging on Miami for theirs - and both cried about it all the way to NC's and program success.

Joe C. and David Boren, that's who.

 

[coolm]

Joe C. and David Boren, that's who.

welcome to ignore. saying "no it doesn't" offers nothing to a discussion

 

[steverocks35]

welcome to ignore. saying "no it doesn't" offers nothing to a discussion

I didn't say "no it doesn't", In answer to your question, I said "Joe C. and David Boren are concerned about the university's image."

 

[stoops4pres]

"It just doesn't look good...?"

Really, since none of the logic is ever combated this is pretty much all you non-BP'ers point to. It doesn't "look" good.

Who cares what others think in that regard? If we get past the NCAA issues, get our recruits, win games, and our program thrives then who gives a rats patoot if it "looks good" or not?

I am pretty sure style points don't win games...if so Kelvin would have lost many more of his. I seem to remember everyone all over UConn for some of their actions and always ragging on Miami for theirs - and both cried about it all the way to NC's and program success.

You took one quote and supposed that that was my entire line of reasoning. Did you bother to look at anything else I said?

And perhaps you didn't take the NCAA into account when I said this hire wouldn't look good. And that organization is the main factor when I said it would not look good... A program marred with NCAA problems over the last 5 years hiring a coach that had just been fired for his own NCAA issues would be the ultimate slap in the face to the NCAA.

I think you are underestimating the NCAA in all of this. This would be a problem that would go beyond your purported one-year post season ban.

Bottom line: Bruce Pearl is a good coach, but isn't important enough to risk future and worse NCAA sanctions, when OU can get a very good coach without the baggage Pearl would bring.

 

[coolm]

I think you are underestimating the NCAA in all of this. This would be a problem that would go beyond your purported one-year post season ban.

Based on what? Empirically this rates as a loss of 2x2 and one year ban.

Right now in the context of NCAA sanctions the norm legally is to compare the case to like cases. There's no reason to think OU would receive any greater of a penalty ... then consider the absolute worst out there (what Baylor got) - even that didn't decimate their program.

So, getting the equivalent (2x2 and 1 yr postseason ban) isnt crap and there's no way we'd get worse than Baylor even if the NCAA threw the book at us in the worst way - which is absolutely ludicrous to consider because as bad as Bruce might have been he also helped the NCAA in the past and didn't move on and commit more violations like Kelvin.

Taking Pearl is WELL worth the risk. In fact, it's like finding out that the blanket you bought at a yard sale for $5 was valued at millions on Antique Roadshow.

 

[stoops4pres]

Based on what? Empirically this rates as a loss of 2x2 and one year ban.

Right now in the context of NCAA sanctions the norm legally is to compare the case to like cases. There's no reason to think OU would receive any greater of a penalty ...

I'm talking about in the future. I'm willing to bet OU's punishment would be worse than comparative offenses should Pearl be hired.

But when I say future, the leash would be unbelievably tight from the moment Pearl is hired, even after OU is given its punishment for the OT fiasco... And I'm not willing to trust a coach that knowingly broke the rules, and lied to the NCAA about it. Look how that worked out for KS at Indiana.

then consider the absolute worst out there (what Baylor got) - even that didn't decimate their program.

Never said anything Pearl would do would kill OU, but I think it'd be wrong to take any coaching risk simply because it wouldn't kill OU's program. And I'm not saying hiring Pearl would be "Baylor-esque", but sanction-wise it would be one of the worst hires a program would make.

I would be all for Pearl had OU not been in as much hot water as any program in America over the last 5 years. But he's not irreplaceable, he hasn't even been to a Final 4 yet. OU can make a great hire without the baggage. That's what it boils down to.

 

[coolm]

I would be all for Pearl had OU not been in as much hot water as any program in America over the last 5 years. But he's not irreplaceable, he hasn't even been to a Final 4 yet. OU can make a great hire without the baggage. That's what it boils down to.

1. we had no problem keeping The King here
2. we were going to keep Kelvin here too
3. Bruce Pearl would be the most heralded, proven, and decorated basketball HC that OU has ever hired. Think about that for a minute.

 

[steverocks35]

1. we had no problem keeping The King here
2. we were going to keep Kelvin here too
3. Bruce Pearl would be the most heralded, proven, and decorated basketball HC that OU has ever hired. Think about that for a minute.

If we don't hire Bruce Pearl we may have to put Coolm on suicide watch.

 

[scrybe]

If we don't hire Bruce Pearl we may have to put Coolm on suicide watch.

I'm beginning to believe the full version of coolm is "coolm Pearl."

 

[stoops4pres]

1. we had no problem keeping The King here
2. we were going to keep Kelvin here too
3. Bruce Pearl would be the most heralded, proven, and decorated basketball HC that OU has ever hired. Think about that for a minute.

See your point about The King... Different times different circumstances, however. At least IMO.

And yeah we keep Kelvin, but I don't see that scenario fitting one where we are bringing a coach in. And I don't know under what costs we would've kept Kelvin.

Again like I said... We can get someone very good without the baggage, which as previously mentioned OU could use without. Maybe not quite the pedigree of Pearl at this juncture, but perhaps could turn out to be better. Regardless, I'd take someone with a slightly less pedigree but that can still be great for OU without any trouble.

 

[Dr Sleep]

Bottom line: Bruce Pearl is a good coach, but isn't important enough to risk future and worse NCAA sanctions, when OU can get a very good coach without the baggage Pearl would bring.

Bruce is a great coach and his baggage could be a nice recruiting class this year!

I do think he is worth the risk. Next to OJ Mayo, the Gallon thing and the Pearl BBQ thing are small potatos and USC still made the field of 68. Baylor's NCAA problems were already pointed out.

IMHO bakestball sanctions don't hurt as much, these transgressions don't "look" that bad to me, and more losing seasons is what kills a program.

I think we can win a national championship with Pearl more than anyother names out there including Buzz Williams.

 

[coolm]

they took a poll and over 70% of the fans still support Bruce Pearl and wanted him to remain their coach.

That's 70% after an ugly NCAA loss and all the crap he's been taking about these NCAA infractions.

This is a guy who promotes community interest in his program and the fans like. He has helped with many cancer charities in Tennessee (long before the infractions) and caused a SIGNIFICANT increase in men's attendance.

We'd be stupid NOT to take this guy. stupid.

 

[stoops4pres]

Bruce is a great coach and his baggage could be a nice recruiting class this year!

I do think he is worth the risk. Next to OJ Mayo, the Gallon thing and the Pearl BBQ thing are small potatos and USC still made the field of 68. Baylor's NCAA problems were already pointed out.

IMHO bakestball sanctions don't hurt as much, these transgressions don't "look" that bad to me, and more losing seasons is what kills a program.

I think we can win a national championship with Pearl more than anyother names out there including Buzz Williams.

I see what you are saying... And I agree with some of your points. Just not all of them.

 

[Soonerman]

Coolm, Bruce Pearl must be good in bed, huh?

 

[coolm]

Coolm, Bruce Pearl must be good in bed, huh?

rumor is his urine can be used as a salve for lacerations and bruises ... and the oil from his hair cures cancer.

 

[StoopsBros]

Perhaps Bruce Pearl should have given the recruit $200k instead of a cheeseburger... then maybe NCAA would be okay with it.

 

[Edmond_Sooner]

Huge Bruce Pearl fan...i know he will have to sit a couple of years before he gets another shot, but whatever school gets him is getting a TOP NOTCH guy and knows his X's and O's...

I'm biased because of personal experience, but i would have played for him in a heartbeat!

 

[stanley11]

Perhaps Bruce Pearl should have given the recruit $200k instead of a cheeseburger... then maybe NCAA would be okay with it.

Funny but true. I think all SEC schools would be wise to strip-search attendees for cameras at all recruiting meals and school visits. Coaches can lie all they want to, but like they say....a picture is worth a thousand words. And likely millions of dollars.