Calling for rule change.

[sooner8693]

Just now perusing a Jaysqawk board, and several posters on there calling for a rule change to prevent the intentional/unintentional fouling like last night on Duke. Suggestions are, any of those should be automatically intentional, or the team fouled has choice of shooting ft's or inbounding ball with new shot clock. Pretty funny stuff. They have forgotten they/KU won a natty doing the exact same thing against Memphis.

 

[skyvue]

Also, I don't think Freeman's fouls were close to intentional (though I'm no expert on the rule book). In fact, I was concerned, once it was clear that it was our strategy to foul (the OU radio crew guessed it much earlier than the TV guys did, btw), that Freeman wasn't fouling overtly enough, but he kept drawing the whistles when he needed them, luckily.

 

[opsooner]

Just sour grapes. The only reason this hasn’t happened more is because he usually fouls out. They could have pulled him. They also missed several key shots when we did not foul him.


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[scrybe]

I'm late to the discussions on KU-OU because I worked late last night and was just recently able to watch the game on DVR. So if the following has already been discussed at length, I apologize:

I thought Lon's strategy of repeatedly sending the KU big man to the line was genius. Without it, we don't win that game. Kruger is constantly second-guessed on this board, but no one can deny the man earned his paycheck last night.

And, those idiot KU fans can't stop crying, and I can't stop laughing. I guess it's a wash.

 

[AdaSooner]

I'm late to the discussions on KU-OU because I worked late last night and was just recently able to watch the game on DVR. So if the sKstreaming down his cheesratethfollowing has already been discussed at length, I apologize:

I thought Lon's strategy of repeatedly sending the KU big man to the line was genius. Without it, we don't win that game. Kruger is constantly second-guessed on this board, but no one can deny the man earned his paycheck last night.

And, those idiot KU fans can't stop crying, and I can't stop laughing. I guess it's a wash.

KU fans are such poor losers! As much as they lose in football, one would think they would be accustomed to it by now.

By the way, I miss those those pictures of Jayhawks crying after a loss. One of my favorites was the guy in a hurtle neck with tears streaming down his cheeks. If you have those pics, it would do my heart good to see them posted again. We don’t get this opportunity nearly often enough!

 

[hoopsaustin]

KU fans are such poor losers! As much as they lose in football, one would think they would be accustomed to it by now.

By the way, I miss those those pictures of Jayhawks crying after a loss. One of my favorites was the guy in a hurtle neck with tears streaming down his cheeks. If you have those pics, it would do my heart good to see them posted again. We don’t get this opportunity nearly often enough!

Makes me like it more

 

[sooner333]

Also, I don't think Freeman's fouls were close to intentional (though I'm no expert on the rule book). In fact, I was concerned, once it was clear that it was our strategy to foul (the OU radio crew guessed it much earlier than the TV guys did, btw), that Freeman wasn't fouling overtly enough, but he kept drawing the whistles when he needed them, luckily.

He was being pretty overt. Azubuike would get in position and Freeman would immediately hook him. When Azubuike moved Freeman held his ground and there was an obvious foul. I thought it was a good strategy to not “intentionally” foul.

 

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[Crimson&Cream14]

I love when people complain about the hack-a strategy and say it's cheating or cheap. If you don't like it, make your FREE throws.

An aspect of last night's game I haven't seen mentioned yet is RO hitting 7-8 from the line. Huge props to Rashard for hitting all those! But if Kansas had tried that strategy on him, as a normally ~50% free throw shooter, I'd say the same thing to any of our fans that complained. It's not a cheap strategy, just make your FREE throws.

Get over it, Beaks. :ez-laugh:

 

[scrybe]

I love when people complain about the hack-a strategy and say it's cheating or cheap. If you don't like it, make your FREE throws.

An aspect of last night's game I haven't seen mentioned yet is RO hitting 7-8 from the line. Huge props to Rashard for hitting all those! But if Kansas had tried that strategy on him, as a normally ~50% free throw shooter, I'd say the same thing to any of our fans that complained. It's not a cheap strategy, just make your FREE throws.

Get over it, Beaks. :ez-laugh:

Well said.

And there's got to be some irony in the fact that the only free throw our "50 percenter" missed last night was the one he air-balled.

 

[skyvue]

McNeace hits just 48% of his free throws, not much higher than Azubuike, but if KU had tried the same thing on him, I have to believe he'd have done better than 1-7 on the game.

 

[Crimson&Cream14]

Well said.

And there's got to be some irony in the fact that the only free throw our "50 percenter" missed last night was the one he air-balled.

Joked about this to my aunt right as it happened. It was as if RO thought "Wait a minute, I'm not usually this good at line.." and the pressure of making it 8-8 caused him to leave it woefully short. :ez-laugh:

 

[okienole3]

It was a great move by Kruger. Even in a couple of possessions where they didn’t foul, it took them completely out of their offense. The big guy tried to hide in the corner. KU fans should be complaining about Self not taking him out of the fact he conceded the rebounds.

 

[sperry]

They have so little depth they really can't take him out. That De Sousa kid they've been trying to play is an absolute disaster. They probably win the game if they never put him in.

 

[Zimwillett]

The funny thing is, Kruger clearly taught his guys how to NOT get an intentional foul in that situation. There were a few possessions where KU was trying to "hide" Azibuke in the corner. Rather than just hack him immediately, Freeman waited until he got into the post or a screening position before he committed the foul. Sorry. That's just good coaching.

And KU fans complaining about rules/rule enforcement---ha! I guess it's good to know that irony isn't dead just yet.

 

[p230]

I love when people complain about the hack-a strategy and say it's cheating or cheap. If you don't like it, make your FREE throws.

An aspect of last night's game I haven't seen mentioned yet is RO hitting 7-8 from the line. Huge props to Rashard for hitting all those! But if Kansas had tried that strategy on him, as a normally ~50% free throw shooter, I'd say the same thing to any of our fans that complained. It's not a cheap strategy, just make your FREE throws.

Get over it, Beaks. :ez-laugh:

+1, I have not played organized basketball in 25 years and can still go out and make >50%. Some one who plays all the time should be 65%+. My 13 year old son built his own counter this summer reading message boards and watching youtube. I bet there are free throw tutorials out there. His motion was atrocious.

 

[sooner8693]

+1, I have not played organized basketball in 25 years and can still go out and make >50%. Some one who plays all the time should be 65%+. My 13 year old son built his own counter this summer reading message boards and watching youtube. I bet there are free throw tutorials out there. His motion was atrocious.

Agree. I have said for years, I could teach anyone to hit 65-70% from the free throw line. Technique/sequence/mechanics that I learned in junior high taught me to hit 90% from the line in hs. And you are also right on Azibuke's mechanics. On most of those his forearm and hand were horizontal/perpendicular to the goal.

 

[Matthew G]

You can also blame Self. Not only did he leave Udoka in, but he kept him on the post because he wanted him to post up Freeman, even though he knew Freeman would foul. Freeman did 3 times before Self took Udoka out of the play in the corner, and when they did that, KU missed a layup but got the putback. Next possession for KU, they sent Udoka back down to post up, and threw the ball to him, and Freeman fouled picking up his 5th.

So like I said, not only did Self leave Udoka in, but he had the offense try and use the "mismatch" against Freeman to their advantage, only to be fouled because that's why Freeman was in the game for. When KU took Udoka out of the play, KU scored.

They tried to take Udoka out of the play against Lattin, but then called timeout. During the timeout, Lattin talked with Kruger about should he guard Udoka out there, knowing Udoka can't shoot a 3, and wouldn't screen in a corner, and Kruger told him no, stay home and help, and sure enough, KU tried some dribble crap and chucked up a 3 with a hand in their face and missed.

 

[chuckb]

Also, I don't think Freeman's fouls were close to intentional (though I'm no expert on the rule book). In fact, I was concerned, once it was clear that it was our strategy to foul (the OU radio crew guessed it much earlier than the TV guys did, btw), that Freeman wasn't fouling overtly enough, but he kept drawing the whistles when he needed them, luckily.

I agree 100%. After the 2nd foul, everyone knew what we were doing but they were legitimate fouls by a defender fighting for position. They were not "intentional" or "flagrant" fouls as everyone knows them. I agree that fouls and free throws are boring but the obvious response is either make some free throws or get him out of the game.

 

[WaymanFan]

I will stand up for about 50% of the Kansas fans. I mentioned in another thread that I invested about 10 minutes out of my life last night on the Phog to see if their fans were really as nuts as their reputation (let's say it's CONFIRMED). One of the fans started a thread about the rule change, and some did agree. However, I also enjoyed reading the opinions from those who did not agree. One in particular was something like this: "Stop proposing rule changes every time we lose a game! Just make the free throws and we win!"

Man, they really are much worse than our football fans.