Can you guys explain some Trump things to me?

[thebigabd]

As to the democrats promoting fear and hatred, this is their playbook as they cheer on the violence that is destroying democrat cities.


And abd defends this behavior and like a true democrat, denies they’re doing it in the first place. Liars.

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Who defended any violent behavior?

 

[WTSooner]

Per his book (The Right Side of History), he believes all these things are a result of a departure from Judeo Christian values.

A lot of people, myself included, feel that way.

 

[thebigabd]

He wants to abolish medicare and he wants absolutely nothing to fill the void? I did not know that.

He wants it to be up to you.... He has compared any medical care to a purse, a car, a piece of furniture. It's a commodity the exact same way a tire is, or a marker, or can of paint.

If you can't afford medical care (no matter how old you are), it's no different than if you can't afford a couch, or a shirt, or a car, etc.

It's not his problem that you can't afford it... As he would say "thats a you problem".

 

[SoonerBounce13]

He wants to get rid of Social Security entirely. He doesn't believe the government should be doing it at all. To him, it's entirely up to the individual to save enough to live on when you get old. It's fine to believe that, I just don't think its practical and a vast majority of American's want social security.

I don't think AMerican's would want it if they knew what they could be doing with that money. BUT I think if given the choice, most americans would not invest the money and we would end up with even more unhealthy aging population...so I think it is a good idea but needs to be severly reworked.

Sure, quote and link. To be clear, this is just one piece. He talks about it, tweets about it, writes about it, etc. So it's not just one time he said it off-hand.

"It is perfectly obvious that forcing insurance companies – professional risk assessors that determine pricing based on actuarial estimates as to health – to cover those with pre-existing conditions costs them an enormous amount of money. If you are a consumer, why would you bother buying a health insurance plan while healthy, when you could wait to do so until after your costs materialize? Yet both parties would rather cater to the foolish notion that it is “unfair” for insurance companies to act as insurance companies than allow insurance companies to do what they do best: create a market to allow Americans to exercise choice."
-Ben Shapiro

https://www.conservativereview.com/news/shapiro-but-reality-isnt-fair/

Thanks...I'll have to do some research on it.

His exact words are "much at all"....

So he does think the rich should be taxed.

It wasn't, and when he was called out for it on national TV he literally got up and left in the middle of the interview.

Umm I just looked up this video and you are being extremely dishonest. In that video, the interviewer is reading quotes from Shapiro that were 7 years old. In that interview Shapiro admitted they were dumb tweets and that they were also taken out of context.

Link to video: https://youtu.be/6VixqvOcK8E?t=779

Forcibly removing people from their homes and ancestral lands sounds kinda horrible to me. His defense for it was that he didn't want to kill them in gas chambers like Hitler did, but instead just force them away.

Depends on your perspective I suppose. It sounds bad to me as well. I'd like to see a link to this from Shapiro to put it in context

 

[sheepdogs1]

I don't think AMerican's would want it if they knew what they could be doing with that money. BUT I think if given the choice, most americans would not invest the money and we would end up with even more unhealthy aging population...so I think it is a good idea but needs to be severly reworked.



Thanks...I'll have to do some research on it.



So he does think the rich should be taxed.


Umm I just looked up this video and you are being extremely dishonest. In that video, the interviewer is reading quotes from Shapiro that were 7 years old. In that interview Shapiro admitted they were dumb tweets and that they were also taken out of context.

Link to video: https://youtu.be/6VixqvOcK8E?t=779




Depends on your perspective I suppose. It sounds bad to me as well. I'd like to see a link to this from Shapiro to put it in context

A day without trolling is a day w/o abd or is it a day without abd is a day w/o trolling.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

A day without trolling is a day w/o abd or is it a day without abd is a day w/o trolling.

ABD isn't trolling...he is just misguided. He has good intentions

 

[mict085]

Who defended any violent behavior?

Up the thread, I said the dems were fomenting fear and hatred, as well as supporting violent behavior and you said I was crazy.

 

[thebigabd]

Umm I just looked up this video and you are being extremely dishonest. In that video, the interviewer is reading quotes from Shapiro that were 7 years old. In that interview Shapiro admitted they were dumb tweets and that they were also taken out of context.

Link to video: https://youtu.be/6VixqvOcK8E?t=779

That doesn't change what he said, and he clearly didn't want to be confronted with what he said.

ABD isn't trolling...he is just misguided. He has good intentions

Thanks! I think?

Whether it's recruiting jucos or discussing world issues, you guys think I am misguided.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

That doesn't change what he said, and he clearly didn't want to be confronted with what he said.

Surely we have all said some things that were dumb in the past. Shoot, I've done it in this thread many times. I'd hate to go on an interview and get peppered with questions about something said years ago instead of current opinions.

Whether it's recruiting jucos or discussing world issues, you guys think I am misguided.

 

[Eielson]

Who defended any violent behavior?

Did you watch the video? That behavior is the kinda thing democrats claim only comes from Trump supporters.

 

[Eielson]

There are a lot of people on both sides that make a living out of being an obnoxious political personality. I don't pretend he's not obnoxious, but he's far better at structuring a logical argument than his democratic counterparts. You can't deny that the guy is sharp without blue-shades on.

 

[mict085]

Dems and their media don’t report accurately. In fact they don’t report at all and they don’t poll. They are propagandist media and only produce content that supports their agenda. That’s why their “polling” said Hillary was going to win when she didn’t. That’s why they say Biden is winning when, in fact, he is not.

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[steverocks35]

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New credible poll out today. Biden is opening up a big lead. Up 10 in Arizona, leading in Georgia. Toss-up in Texas. You can ignore Rasmussen and Trafalgar, they aren’t credible polling outfits.

 

[mict085]

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New credible poll out today. Biden is opening up a big lead. Up 10 in Arizona, leading in Georgia. Toss-up in Texas. You can ignore Rasmussen and Trafalgar, they aren’t credible polling outfits.

LOL. Boy are you going to be surprised when Trump wins again.

 

[steverocks35]

LOL. Boy are you going to be surprised when Trump wins again.

Sure it’s possible that Trump could win, but there are literally no signs pointing towards a Trump re-election at this point. It’s delusional to state definitively that he will win at this phase of the race, but you do you.

 

[mict085]

Sure it’s possible that Trump could win, but there are literally no signs pointing towards a Trump re-election at this point. It’s delusional to state definitively that he will win at this phase of the race, but you do you.

No signs? Haha. You really are delusional and you’re in complete denial.

 

[stormspencer]

Due to the amount of defense of Mr. Shapiro on here, I feel I need to provide further detail.... First, just from a personal perspective, he can be obnoxious. He talks a million miles per hour, he's pompous, etc. I also believe his entire brand is more commercial than anything else. He's almost like a shock-jock in some ways. He is probably more about making money on controversial opinions than he is some kind of crusader for America. But, that is just a personal observation.

But, the reason I don't like him is not because he's smarter than me, or that he's sharp, or that he destroys my arguments, etc. We just don't want to live in the same world, for the most part. Some examples:

Ben Shapiro wants to "banish" (his words) social security. I don't want to banish social security, do you?

Ben Shapiro wants to abolish Medicare and ignore people with pre-existing conditions... Basically saying that poor people, uninsurable people, etc... Well, they are just out of luck. "I go to a fancy store to check out a piece of furniture, can’t afford it. That’s totally crazy!”- Ben Shapiro (on health care and health insurance being expensive)..... If you can't be insured because you are old, or have a pre-existing condition, well, you are out of lucky in the USA.... He openly says he doesn't support anything for pre-existing conditions, healthcare for the old, etc..... Do you agree with those things? Is that the world you want to live in?

Ben Shapiro basically doesn't want to tax the richest people at all, which would he drastic consequences on our country. "The truth is that if you talk simply in terms of effectiveness, the most effective thing is to not tax the upper end of the income bracket very much at all"- Ben Shapiro... That is a radical tax policy. Dwight Eisenhower would roll in his grave.

Ben Shapiro says "Israelis like to build, Arabs like to bomb crap and live in open sewage".... Hmmmmm.

Ben Shapiro calls for Muslims and Arabs to be physically removed from Israel. "Here is the bottom line: If you believe that the Jewish state has a right to exist, then you must allow Israel to transfer the Palestinians and the Israeli-Arabs from Judea, Samaria, Gaza and Israel proper. It's an ugly solution, but it is the only solution."- Ben Shapiro

Some more on that: "The Jews don't realize that expelling a hostile population is a commonly used and generally effective way of preventing violent entanglements. There are no gas chambers here. It's not genocide; it's transfer. It's not Hitler"- Ben Shapiro

I could go on, but lastly..... I will say that Shapiro has accurately identified lots of societal problems, which you don't hear much about. He at least acknowledges suicides, depression, violence, drugs, alcohol, anxiety, stress, misery, etc... All the things I harp on with you guys all the time. We have completely different views on why that is. Per his book (The Right Side of History), he believes all these things are a result of a departure from Judeo Christian values. I think the problems are way more economic than he gives credit to.

Hope that clears that up.

Instead of googling "arguments against Ben Shapiro" and the "Right Side of History", just listen to his podcast. And you will understand his takes on culture, the political climate and even hear his criticism of Trump at times. But simply providing the quotes above without contextual integrity doesn't provide a transparent sentiment of his worldview. By the way, he has a new book I just downloaded and have begun to listen to (How to Destroy in 3 Easy Steps). It's a breakdown of the country from a unionist or dis-integrationist perspective. And it's a pretty damn accurate assessment of what is going on right now in the country.

He doesn't believe in collective justice (social justice, etc.), rather he believes in individual justice on a case by case basis. (I totally agree)

He doesn't believe in the progressive wealth tax and also is a proponent of lowering the top marginal tax rates. You know, those people who are successful and own businesses and have the ability to help create jobs....his idea is to allow them more access to their capital to grow their business if they see fit. This isn't a particularly controversial perspective in center-right circles.

He is a staunch supporter of Isreal (obviously) and the threats against it in the Middle East. I don't know where you mined the above quote you referenced regarding Palestinians/Arabs, but again, I would certainly like to hear it in context and not as a soundbite.

I've never heard him once say that he wants to "banish" social security. He certainly understands math and that SS will be insoluble at its current rate. I've heard him say prefers to privatize it....which at least partially privatizing the model will likely be necessary sooner rather than later....if you want to keep it afloat.

Regarding your health insurance and uninsurable comments, I've been listening to him for almost 2 years and I have never heard him state any type of comment on this topic to that degree. I'm not saying that he didn't say it, but what I have heard him say is that attempting to get health insurance when you have pre-existing conditions is comparable to buying home insurance when your house in on fire....and he has a point. It's a difficult and complex problem that will require a unique solution in most cases.

As I said earlier, I don't agree with him all of the time, but I certainly agree with him on a majority of his stances. And I can also see how his persona comes off as smug and elite, but hell, isn't that an accurate description for pretty much the entire media complex.

 

[sheepdogs1]

No signs? Haha. You really are delusional and you’re in complete denial.

Most of the major stock averages are at record highs as people are voting with their money (cause for indexes rise) and people want to rely on word of mouth phone calls instead. How dense can a door nail be? Spook level is the sad answer.

 

[mict085]

most of the major stock averages are at record highs as people are voting with their money (cause for indexes rise) and people want to rely on word of mouth phone calls instead. How dense can a door nail be? Spook level is the sad answer.

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[hoopsaustin]

Sure it’s possible that Trump could win, but there are literally no signs pointing towards a Trump re-election at this point. It’s delusional to state definitively that he will win at this phase of the race, but you do you.

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