Can you guys explain some Trump things to me?

[sheepdogs1]

Ben is a sharp fella.....he talks really fast, so you have to keep up. He's a Jewish Libertarian....so that puts him near the top of my list. He's not right all of the time, but I would put his record up against anyone.....and you don't want to debate him. If you listen to his daily podcast, he nails the constantly evolving "narrative" attempted by the MSM and DNC even before they've fully executed it. And then rails on the dolts who actually buy into that narrative. It's an entertaining listen. If you're anywhere left of center....you won't like it.

You forgot to add his wife is a doctor.

 

[BCSooners]

You forgot to add his wife is a doctor.

That doesn’t get wap.

 

[BCSooners]

Your response was dated August 9th thus the information about the deferral was public knowledge yet you insisted as saying "The president can’t mess with taxes through executive order."


"The president’s action Saturday (Aug. 8) from his golf club in Bedminster, New Jersey, provides federal unemployment benefits, defers some payroll taxes, helps renters and homeowners behind on their payments and extends relief on student loans."


https://www.pymnts.com/economy/2020/trump-provides-stimulus-executive-order/

Ok he can’t change taxes up, down, or remove them. He can defer them.

 

[WTSooner]

Be funny if all of these new voting initiatives by the Dems brings more black voters out this year, and those black voters don't vote for Biden. lol

 

[SoonerBounce13]

That doesn’t get wap.

i had to google this and I am sorry that I did. I didn't think that my level of disappointment in society could get any worse...i'm constantly wrong

 

[BCSooners]

i had to google this and I am sorry that I did. I didn't think that my level of disappointment in society could get any worse...i'm constantly wrong

It was a back & forth he started on twitter with other users when he cited his wife's opinion on the definition of the song.

 

[AdaSooner]

Be funny if all of these new voting initiatives by the Dems brings more black voters out this year, and those black voters don't vote for Biden. lol

I think there is a very good chance that could happen. That’s why I made the post below in response to ABD saying increased voting would not be good for the Republicans. Minorities in these cities have suffered at the hands of the Dems more than anyone. Why would anyone believe they’re going to reward the party that created their misery by supporting them at the polls?

I’m more inclined to believe it could backfire on the Democrats. Residents of these cities (many of them African American and Hispanic) can’t possibly be happy with the way their cities are being run. Their pleas for help have been largely ignored for several months. Violence and destruction have been the norm since early summer, yet the Democratic mayors have turned a deaf ear to President Trump’s offers of assistance.

I think you may be surprised by the minority turnout in support of the Republican candidate this time around. I’m not saying Biden won’t get the majority of the votes. But the increase of a few percentage points from the traditional vote in favor of the Dems in these cities, could be the difference in a close election.

 

[WTSooner]

Why would anyone believe they’re going to reward the party that created their misery by supporting them at the polls?

Unfortunately a lot of them still think the left has their best interest at heart. Or maybe it's the socialism of the left (free stuff). I don't know. But I still know a lot of AA's and minorities in general that support the left. Hopefully enough of them "get it" to vote accordingly.

 

[thebigabd]

Ben is a sharp fella.....he talks really fast, so you have to keep up. He's a Jewish Libertarian....so that puts him near the top of my list. He's not right all of the time, but I would put his record up against anyone.....and you don't want to debate him. If you listen to his daily podcast, he nails the constantly evolving "narrative" attempted by the MSM and DNC even before they've fully executed it. And then rails on the dolts who actually buy into that narrative. It's an entertaining listen. If you're anywhere left of center....you won't like it.

Ben Shapiro is one of the biggest douche bags in the country.

He actually has a very juvenile debate style. He's prepared for debates, sure, but he has a lot of annoying debate tactics that are essentially traps.

Example (and this is hypothetical)

"There is systemic racism in the criminal justice system"
-Random Person

"Which law is racist? Can you show me. That way we can fight it together"
-Shapiro

"Well, it's not really a law, just how they are treated"
-Random Person

"Ok, so there are no racist laws"
-Shapiro

"Well, I don't know, but blacks and whites get treated differently in sentencing, for example"
-Random Person

"Which ones? Can you name a black guy and a white with identical situations, identical crimes, identical circumstances, etc and tell me what they were sentenced with?"
-Shapiro

"Well, studies from Harvard show that blacks are typically sentenced X amount of time longer for the same crimes than whites"
-Random Person

"Ok, so you don't have first and last names of people with identical situations and their sentences?"
-Shapiro

Anyone who has listened to Shapiro can recognize this... You can probably even hear his voice in your head as you read that debate. That is a classic Shapiro tactic, to try and trap his opponent not by debating the content but by trying to trap them with specifics. It's actually called an "On the Spot" fallacy.... Shapiro is the master of using this fallacy, early and often.

"This fallacy occurs when people ask for evidence that's unreasonably in-depth and do not allow the responder sufficient time or access to resources to answer the question adequately."

It doesn't make him a good debater.... It makes for good radio and TV interviews, but it's a fallacious and juvenile technique to make him appear like he won.

 

[hoopsaustin]

Ben Shapiro is one of the biggest douche bags in the country.

Based on?

 

[sheepdogs1]

Based on?

Honesty, which some people lack.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

I can see why those on the left don't like shapiro.
He makes logical arguments and is smarter than the average personality

 

[thebigabd]

Based on?

I actually edited my original response to include an example. See above.

 

[mict085]

Based on?

It’s based on the fact that he’s sharp and disagrees with abd and his entire point of view. Ben Shapiro is smart and has a great take on American politics and the idiocy and hypocrisy of the left. That’s why abd hates him so much, because he’s correct.

 

[WTSooner]

I can see why those on the left don't like shapiro.
He makes logical arguments and is smarter than the average personality

This.

There are people just like him on the left that I'm sure big just loves.

Shapiro tears people apart b/c most people don't have valid arguments. Just something they read, or an opinion not really based on reality. Especially when he is talking to college age kids. I love watching that stuff. But I've seen him do it to older, more professional types as well.

 

[thebigabd]

Due to the amount of defense of Mr. Shapiro on here, I feel I need to provide further detail.... First, just from a personal perspective, he can be obnoxious. He talks a million miles per hour, he's pompous, etc. I also believe his entire brand is more commercial than anything else. He's almost like a shock-jock in some ways. He is probably more about making money on controversial opinions than he is some kind of crusader for America. But, that is just a personal observation.

But, the reason I don't like him is not because he's smarter than me, or that he's sharp, or that he destroys my arguments, etc. We just don't want to live in the same world, for the most part. Some examples:

Ben Shapiro wants to "banish" (his words) social security. I don't want to banish social security, do you?

Ben Shapiro wants to abolish Medicare and ignore people with pre-existing conditions... Basically saying that poor people, uninsurable people, etc... Well, they are just out of luck. "I go to a fancy store to check out a piece of furniture, can’t afford it. That’s totally crazy!”- Ben Shapiro (on health care and health insurance being expensive)..... If you can't be insured because you are old, or have a pre-existing condition, well, you are out of lucky in the USA.... He openly says he doesn't support anything for pre-existing conditions, healthcare for the old, etc..... Do you agree with those things? Is that the world you want to live in?

Ben Shapiro basically doesn't want to tax the richest people at all, which would he drastic consequences on our country. "The truth is that if you talk simply in terms of effectiveness, the most effective thing is to not tax the upper end of the income bracket very much at all"- Ben Shapiro... That is a radical tax policy. Dwight Eisenhower would roll in his grave.

Ben Shapiro says "Israelis like to build, Arabs like to bomb crap and live in open sewage".... Hmmmmm.

Ben Shapiro calls for Muslims and Arabs to be physically removed from Israel. "Here is the bottom line: If you believe that the Jewish state has a right to exist, then you must allow Israel to transfer the Palestinians and the Israeli-Arabs from Judea, Samaria, Gaza and Israel proper. It's an ugly solution, but it is the only solution."- Ben Shapiro

Some more on that: "The Jews don't realize that expelling a hostile population is a commonly used and generally effective way of preventing violent entanglements. There are no gas chambers here. It's not genocide; it's transfer. It's not Hitler"- Ben Shapiro

I could go on, but lastly..... I will say that Shapiro has accurately identified lots of societal problems, which you don't hear much about. He at least acknowledges suicides, depression, violence, drugs, alcohol, anxiety, stress, misery, etc... All the things I harp on with you guys all the time. We have completely different views on why that is. Per his book (The Right Side of History), he believes all these things are a result of a departure from Judeo Christian values. I think the problems are way more economic than he gives credit to.

Hope that clears that up.

 

[sheepdogs1]

Due to the amount of defense of Mr. Shapiro on here, I feel I need to provide further detail.... First, just from a personal perspective, he can be obnoxious. He talks a million miles per hour, he's pompous, etc. I also believe his entire brand is more commercial than anything else. He's almost like a shock-jock in some ways. He is probably more about making money on controversial opinions than he is some kind of crusader for America. But, that is just a personal observation.

But, the reason I don't like him is not because he's smarter than me, or that he's sharp, or that he destroys my arguments, etc. We just don't want to live in the same world, for the most part. Some examples:

Ben Shapiro wants to "banish" (his words) social security. I don't want to banish social security, do you?

Ben Shapiro wants to abolish Medicare and ignore people with pre-existing conditions... Basically saying that poor people, uninsurable people, etc... Well, they are just out of luck. "I go to a fancy store to check out a piece of furniture, can’t afford it. That’s totally crazy!”- Ben Shapiro (on health care and health insurance being expensive)..... If you can't be insured because you are old, or have a pre-existing condition, well, you are out of lucky in the USA.... He openly says he doesn't support anything for pre-existing conditions, healthcare for the old, etc..... Do you agree with those things? Is that the world you want to live in?

Ben Shapiro basically doesn't want to tax the richest people at all, which would he drastic consequences on our country. "The truth is that if you talk simply in terms of effectiveness, the most effective thing is to not tax the upper end of the income bracket very much at all"- Ben Shapiro... That is a radical tax policy. Dwight Eisenhower would roll in his grave.

Ben Shapiro says "Israelis like to build, Arabs like to bomb crap and live in open sewage".... Hmmmmm.

Ben Shapiro calls for Muslims and Arabs to be physically removed from Israel. "Here is the bottom line: If you believe that the Jewish state has a right to exist, then you must allow Israel to transfer the Palestinians and the Israeli-Arabs from Judea, Samaria, Gaza and Israel proper. It's an ugly solution, but it is the only solution."- Ben Shapiro

Some more on that: "The Jews don't realize that expelling a hostile population is a commonly used and generally effective way of preventing violent entanglements. There are no gas chambers here. It's not genocide; it's transfer. It's not Hitler"- Ben Shapiro

I could go on, but lastly..... I will say that Shapiro has accurately identified lots of societal problems, which you don't hear much about. He at least acknowledges suicides, depression, violence, drugs, alcohol, anxiety, stress, misery, etc... All the things I harp on with you guys all the time. We have completely different views on why that is. Per his book (The Right Side of History), he believes all these things are a result of a departure from Judeo Christian values. I think the problems are way more economic than he gives credit to.

Hope that clears that up.

He wants to abolish medicare and he wants absolutely nothing to fill the void? I did not know that.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Ben Shapiro wants to "banish" (his words) social security. I don't want to banish social security, do you?

I really don't know a lot of his positions...just that the few videos of his I have watched, I agree with what he says. Does he want to get rid of the idea of it or make it work properly?

Ben Shapiro wants to abolish Medicare and ignore people with pre-existing conditions... Basically saying that poor people, uninsurable people, etc... Well, they are just out of luck. "I go to a fancy store to check out a piece of furniture, can’t afford it. That’s totally crazy!”- Ben Shapiro (on health care and health insurance being expensive)..... If you can't be insured because you are old, or have a pre-existing condition, well, you are out of lucky in the USA.... He openly says he doesn't support anything for pre-existing conditions, healthcare for the old, etc..... Do you agree with those things? Is that the world you want to live in?

I don't agree with those things. I have never heard him saying it. If he openly says it, can you post the link? It is not that I don't believe you, it is just evident that people's words and ideas get twisted all the time

Ben Shapiro basically doesn't want to tax the richest people at all, which would he drastic consequences on our country. "The truth is that if you talk simply in terms of effectiveness, the most effective thing is to not tax the upper end of the income bracket very much at all"- Ben Shapiro... That is a radical tax policy. Dwight Eisenhower would roll in his grave.

You just contradicted yourself. Your first sentence says he doesn't want to tax them at all and then you quoted him (i assume) that says very much at all. Which is it?

Ben Shapiro says "Israelis like to build, Arabs like to bomb crap and live in open sewage".... Hmmmmm.

Not even worth debating. I hope this quote was out of context.

Ben Shapiro calls for Muslims and Arabs to be physically removed from Israel. "Here is the bottom line: If you believe that the Jewish state has a right to exist, then you must allow Israel to transfer the Palestinians and the Israeli-Arabs from Judea, Samaria, Gaza and Israel proper. It's an ugly solution, but it is the only solution."- Ben Shapiro

I don't have an opinion on this. He is a jew though so I'd be interested in hearing from other Jews on this

 

[mict085]

As to the democrats promoting fear and hatred, this is their playbook as they cheer on the violence that is destroying democrat cities.


And abd defends this behavior and like a true democrat, denies they’re doing it in the first place. Liars.

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[thebigabd]

I really don't know a lot of his positions...just that the few videos of his I have watched, I agree with what he says. Does he want to get rid of the idea of it or make it work properly?

He wants to get rid of Social Security entirely. He doesn't believe the government should be doing it at all. To him, it's entirely up to the individual to save enough to live on when you get old. It's fine to believe that, I just don't think its practical and a vast majority of American's want social security.

I don't agree with those things. I have never heard him saying it. If he openly says it, can you post the link? It is not that I don't believe you, it is just evident that people's words and ideas get twisted all the time

Sure, quote and link. To be clear, this is just one piece. He talks about it, tweets about it, writes about it, etc. So it's not just one time he said it off-hand.

"It is perfectly obvious that forcing insurance companies – professional risk assessors that determine pricing based on actuarial estimates as to health – to cover those with pre-existing conditions costs them an enormous amount of money. If you are a consumer, why would you bother buying a health insurance plan while healthy, when you could wait to do so until after your costs materialize? Yet both parties would rather cater to the foolish notion that it is “unfair” for insurance companies to act as insurance companies than allow insurance companies to do what they do best: create a market to allow Americans to exercise choice."
-Ben Shapiro

https://www.conservativereview.com/news/shapiro-but-reality-isnt-fair/

You just contradicted yourself. Your first sentence says he doesn't want to tax them at all and then you quoted him (i assume) that says very much at all. Which is it?

His exact words are "much at all"....

Not even worth debating. I hope this quote was out of context.

It wasn't, and when he was called out for it on national TV he literally got up and left in the middle of the interview.

I don't have an opinion on this. He is a jew though so I'd be interested in hearing from other Jews on this

Forcibly removing people from their homes and ancestral lands sounds kinda horrible to me. His defense for it was that he didn't want to kill them in gas chambers like Hitler did, but instead just force them away.