Can you guys explain some Trump things to me?

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Really funny how the left, even here on this board, just can't stop the name calling. Most intolerant and childish group of people I've ever come across. Super tolerant if you believe exactly as they do. Otherwise? Here come the insults.
 
It says that the threat of the liberal agenda is viewed as more dangerous than an orange man that is narcisstic and says mean things and is dumb

You see, ideology is more important to Americans than one singular bad person.

Just so I understand... You are saying this couldn't be Marco Rubio, Mitt Romney (who Ben Shapiro called maybe the most honorable person to ever run), Jeb Bush, Mike Pence, or some other guy with a soul who have the same ideology (but probably actually believe in it) because they couldn't beat the Dems in an election? I mean, you can have an ideology without Trump. Lots of other talented people have that ideology.
 
Really funny how the left, even here on this board, just can't stop the name calling. Most intolerant and childish group of people I've ever come across. Super tolerant if you believe exactly as they do. Otherwise? Here come the insults.

And then criticize trump for name calling.

And in truth, they aren’t upset with the name calling. They are upset that he says he doesn’t name call.
 
Just so I understand... You are saying this couldn't be Marco Rubio, Mitt Romney (who Ben Shapiro called maybe the most honorable person to ever run), Jeb Bush, Mike Pence, or some other guy with a soul who have the same ideology (but probably actually believe in it) because they couldn't beat the Dems in an election? I mean, you can have an ideology without Trump. Lots of other talented people have that ideology.

The conservative people lost faith in politicians. They wanted an outsider. Those other guys might speak the same ideas as trump ideologically but it would be y’all with no action I’m afraid
 
Kinda like how socialism has been studied for centuries...

Ok, this is getting really tiring in this country. I've heard the word socialism like 10,000 times in the past 9 months. It is the #1 propaganda tool of the Republican party, apparently.

I consider myself pretty well versed in this, so I will try to explain this.

Socialism, in it's purest form, is the abolition of private property. Land, commerce, the means of production, etc becomes "public". Furthermore, another common feature in socialism is the concept of a planned economy. The state (representing the public, in theory) comes up with a plan for the economy, controlling ALL major industry, in the 20th century these were typically called "Five Year Plans", and the major parts of the economy were governed by the state. Not by a market. The Soviet Union did 5 Year Plans, China still does them, Vietnam does them, etc.

Now, what "Social Democratic" countries like Norway, Finland, Denmark, Canada, Germany, etc have done is operate a capitalist system, with a market economy (not a state, centrally planned economy, critical distinction), and setup tax schemes to benefit the entire population. They provide healthcare, education, etc from within the capitalist/market system.

What is being fought for by the American "left" is not the socialist platform. Instead, it is the Social Democratic platform. Nobody (that I am aware of) is talking about state control of the entire economy. They are talking about tax schemes and what not that provide things like people in Japan, Canada, the UK, Norway, Sweden, Germany, etc have.

We have capitalism and a free market, and Social Security for old people. That doesn't make us socialists.

We have capitalism and a free market, and Medicare for old people. That doesn't make us socialists.

We have capitalism and a free market, and public education for youth. That doesn't make us socialists.

We have capitalism and a free market, and a public postal system. That doesn't make us socialists.

We have capitalism and a free market, and publicly funded police and military protection. That doesn't make us socialists.

Now, some of these countries I reference HAVE "nationalized" part of their economy. That is an aspect of socialism. Usually it has to do with natural resources. The general thinking on it is that if oil is in the ground, it shouldn't belong to an individual person. That the riches of the land belong to all Norwegians, Swedes, or whatever.

Two examples:

Equinor. This is a state-owned, govt run, Norwegian Oil Company. It says right on their website, "Our purpose is to turn natural resources into energy for people, and progress for society". The state then puts the profits from this oil company into what is known as "The Government Pension Fund". That money goes into building Norway, providing education, health, public investment, saving for emergencies, etc. It currently has a trillion dollar surplus.

Sveaskog... Same thing. 100% state-owned forestry company in Sweden. Largest owner of the forest in Sweden. Funnels the profits into environment sustainability for Sweden, planting more forest, and back into the Swedish society in form of "social welfare".

So, some of these countries do have industries who operate like a business, very much make profit, but their goal is to take that money to develop their society. Oddly enough, nobody in America is even talking about doing that.

Sorry for the long rant... but it's just disingenuous to try and say Democrats want to be like Cuba or Venezuela, or some other military dictatorship. The countries being referenced by Democrats are literally the most robust democracies in the world. The freest and purest of all democracies. Not 3rd world dictatorships.
 
Ok, this is getting really tiring in this country. I've heard the word socialism like 10,000 times in the past 9 months. It is the #1 propaganda tool of the Republican party, apparently.

I consider myself pretty well versed in this, so I will try to explain this.

Socialism, in it's purest form, is the abolition of private property. Land, commerce, the means of production, etc becomes "public". Furthermore, another common feature in socialism is the concept of a planned economy. The state (representing the public, in theory) comes up with a plan for the economy, controlling ALL major industry, in the 20th century these were typically called "Five Year Plans", and the major parts of the economy were governed by the state. Not by a market. The Soviet Union did 5 Year Plans, China still does them, Vietnam does them, etc.

Now, what "Social Democratic" countries like Norway, Finland, Denmark, Canada, Germany, etc have done is operate a capitalist system, with a market economy (not a state, centrally planned economy, critical distinction), and setup tax schemes to benefit the entire population. They provide healthcare, education, etc from within the capitalist/market system.

What is being fought for by the American "left" is not the socialist platform. Instead, it is the Social Democratic platform. Nobody (that I am aware of) is talking about state control of the entire economy. They are talking about tax schemes and what not that provide things like people in Japan, Canada, the UK, Norway, Sweden, Germany, etc have.

We have capitalism and a free market, and Social Security for old people. That doesn't make us socialists.

We have capitalism and a free market, and Medicare for old people. That doesn't make us socialists.

We have capitalism and a free market, and public education for youth. That doesn't make us socialists.

We have capitalism and a free market, and a public postal system. That doesn't make us socialists.

We have capitalism and a free market, and publicly funded police and military protection. That doesn't make us socialists.

Now, some of these countries I reference HAVE "nationalized" part of their economy. That is an aspect of socialism. Usually it has to do with natural resources. The general thinking on it is that if oil is in the ground, it shouldn't belong to an individual person. That the riches of the land belong to all Norwegians, Swedes, or whatever.

Two examples:

Equinor. This is a state-owned, govt run, Norwegian Oil Company. It says right on their website, "Our purpose is to turn natural resources into energy for people, and progress for society". The state then puts the profits from this oil company into what is known as "The Government Pension Fund". That money goes into building Norway, providing education, health, public investment, saving for emergencies, etc. It currently has a trillion dollar surplus.

Sveaskog... Same thing. 100% state-owned forestry company in Sweden. Largest owner of the forest in Sweden. Funnels the profits into environment sustainability for Sweden, planting more forest, and back into the Swedish society in form of "social welfare".

So, some of these countries do have industries who operate like a business, very much make profit, but their goal is to take that money to develop their society. Oddly enough, nobody in America is even talking about doing that.

Sorry for the long rant... but it's just disingenuous to try and say Democrats want to be like Cuba or Venezuela, or some other military dictatorship. The countries being referenced by Democrats are literally the most robust democracies in the world. The freest and purest of all democracies. Not 3rd world dictatorships.

I get it man

But you give an inch and a mile is taken.

You think it will stop at a "democratic socialism"?
 
Ok, this is getting really tiring in this country. I've heard the word socialism like 10,000 times in the past 9 months. It is the #1 propaganda tool of the Republican party, apparently.

I consider myself pretty well versed in this, so I will try to explain this.

Socialism, in it's purest form, is the abolition of private property. Land, commerce, the means of production, etc becomes "public". Furthermore, another common feature in socialism is the concept of a planned economy. The state (representing the public, in theory) comes up with a plan for the economy, controlling ALL major industry, in the 20th century these were typically called "Five Year Plans", and the major parts of the economy were governed by the state. Not by a market. The Soviet Union did 5 Year Plans, China still does them, Vietnam does them, etc.

Now, what "Social Democratic" countries like Norway, Finland, Denmark, Canada, Germany, etc have done is operate a capitalist system, with a market economy (not a state, centrally planned economy, critical distinction), and setup tax schemes to benefit the entire population. They provide healthcare, education, etc from within the capitalist/market system.

What is being fought for by the American "left" is not the socialist platform. Instead, it is the Social Democratic platform. Nobody (that I am aware of) is talking about state control of the entire economy. They are talking about tax schemes and what not that provide things like people in Japan, Canada, the UK, Norway, Sweden, Germany, etc have.

We have capitalism and a free market, and Social Security for old people. That doesn't make us socialists.

We have capitalism and a free market, and Medicare for old people. That doesn't make us socialists.

We have capitalism and a free market, and public education for youth. That doesn't make us socialists.

We have capitalism and a free market, and a public postal system. That doesn't make us socialists.

We have capitalism and a free market, and publicly funded police and military protection. That doesn't make us socialists.

Now, some of these countries I reference HAVE "nationalized" part of their economy. That is an aspect of socialism. Usually it has to do with natural resources. The general thinking on it is that if oil is in the ground, it shouldn't belong to an individual person. That the riches of the land belong to all Norwegians, Swedes, or whatever.

Two examples:

Equinor. This is a state-owned, govt run, Norwegian Oil Company. It says right on their website, "Our purpose is to turn natural resources into energy for people, and progress for society". The state then puts the profits from this oil company into what is known as "The Government Pension Fund". That money goes into building Norway, providing education, health, public investment, saving for emergencies, etc. It currently has a trillion dollar surplus.

Sveaskog... Same thing. 100% state-owned forestry company in Sweden. Largest owner of the forest in Sweden. Funnels the profits into environment sustainability for Sweden, planting more forest, and back into the Swedish society in form of "social welfare".

So, some of these countries do have industries who operate like a business, very much make profit, but their goal is to take that money to develop their society. Oddly enough, nobody in America is even talking about doing that.

Sorry for the long rant... but it's just disingenuous to try and say Democrats want to be like Cuba or Venezuela, or some other military dictatorship. The countries being referenced by Democrats are literally the most robust democracies in the world. The freest and purest of all democracies. Not 3rd world dictatorships.

Well put
 
Who on here has said that?

No one that I can recall, BC. But you know as well as I do that Trump is viewed as the devil incarnate by some on this board, and by the majority of radical lefts in Washington D. C.

I’ll admit that he has brought much of the criticism on himself on a personal level. By the same token, I don’t believe he deserves even close to the wrath he receives from those who refuse to give him credit for anything he does as the President.

I’ll add one thing on another topic. If Biden was not so mentally challenged he may not be capable of standing up to pressure from his closest allies, I might vote for him. Unfortunately, he is surrounded by leftwing radicals like Bernie, AOC, Schumer, Pelosi, Schiff, Omar and his newest sidekick, Harris, who scare the beejeezus out of me. IMO, only a fool would believe Biden will be calling the shots.

My own party has moved so far left, it may be time for me to go in another direction. Problem is, I’m not totally comfortable with the Republican Party either, they’re just closer to my convictions on social issues. I’m stuck in a rut, but I’ll still vote my heart in November.
 
No one that I can recall, BC. But you know as well as I do that Trump is viewed as the devil incarnate by some on this board, and by the majority of radical lefts in Washington D. C.

I’ll admit that he has brought much of the criticism on himself on a personal level. By the same token, I don’t believe he deserves even close to the wrath he receives from those who refuse to give him credit for anything he does as the President.

I’ll add one thing on another topic. If Biden was not so mentally challenged he may not be capable of standing up to pressure from his closest allies, I might vote for him. Unfortunately, he is surrounded by leftwing radicals like Bernie, AOC, Schumer, Pelosi, Schiff, Omar and his newest sidekick, Harris, who scare the beejeezus out of me. IMO, only a fool would believe Biden will be calling the shots.

My own party has moved so far left, it may be time for me to go in another direction. Problem is, I’m not totally comfortable with the Republican Party either, they’re just closer to my convictions on social issues. I’m stuck in a rut, but I’ll still vote my heart in November.

I believe Biden will do what Biden wants to do, and sense he's in the center I'll probably like the direction he'll take.. I doubt he'll care for re-election so he won't play politics on that regard to get some members of his party to go to bat for him. Lumping him in with that group is just a scare tactic.

There are more democrats with power that aren't on the radical side of the left, just like all the republicans shouldn't be lumped in with Cruz, Graham, Trump, etc.
 
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This is silly. All the social media platforms have rules. Trump broke the rules and he had a disclaimer put on his tweets. They actually treat him better than the average person. Most people would have their tweets deleted and get a temporary or permanent ban.

If you want to have different rules then start your own company. It's a free country.

This is not an equality issue. You don't have a constitutional right whatsoever to post on Twitter or Facebook or Instagram.

Whatever. They don’t fact check any liberals or terrorists. They allow them to post anything they want. They only censor conservative accounts and the president.
 
Whatever. They don’t fact check any liberals or terrorists. They allow them to post anything they want. They only censor conservative accounts and the president.

Maybe because the President, the leader of the free world, is constantly spreading misinformation & just flat out lying. That's dangerous for the country.
 
Whatever. They don’t fact check any liberals or terrorists. They allow them to post anything they want. They only censor conservative accounts and the president.

If it were true that "they don't fact check any liberals or terrorists" (it's not), it would be their right to do that. They can "censor" anyone they want. Nobody is forcing the president or anyone else to post messages there. This crying about "censorship" on social media makes me laugh.

Nobody has a constitutional right to post on Twitter. Twitter has a right to police their forum in any way they want.

Trump broke Twitter's terms-of-service. Instead of taking down his tweets and suspending him, they just tagged them.

If that makes you weepy then go start your own social media platform and host only conservatives. Nobody is stopping you.
 
Ok, this is getting really tiring in this country. I've heard the word socialism like 10,000 times in the past 9 months. It is the #1 propaganda tool of the Republican party, apparently.

I consider myself pretty well versed in this, so I will try to explain this.

Socialism, in it's purest form, is the abolition of private property. Land, commerce, the means of production, etc becomes "public". Furthermore, another common feature in socialism is the concept of a planned economy. The state (representing the public, in theory) comes up with a plan for the economy, controlling ALL major industry, in the 20th century these were typically called "Five Year Plans", and the major parts of the economy were governed by the state. Not by a market. The Soviet Union did 5 Year Plans, China still does them, Vietnam does them, etc.

Now, what "Social Democratic" countries like Norway, Finland, Denmark, Canada, Germany, etc have done is operate a capitalist system, with a market economy (not a state, centrally planned economy, critical distinction), and setup tax schemes to benefit the entire population. They provide healthcare, education, etc from within the capitalist/market system.

What is being fought for by the American "left" is not the socialist platform. Instead, it is the Social Democratic platform. Nobody (that I am aware of) is talking about state control of the entire economy. They are talking about tax schemes and what not that provide things like people in Japan, Canada, the UK, Norway, Sweden, Germany, etc have.

We have capitalism and a free market, and Social Security for old people. That doesn't make us socialists.

We have capitalism and a free market, and Medicare for old people. That doesn't make us socialists.

We have capitalism and a free market, and public education for youth. That doesn't make us socialists.

We have capitalism and a free market, and a public postal system. That doesn't make us socialists.

We have capitalism and a free market, and publicly funded police and military protection. That doesn't make us socialists.

Now, some of these countries I reference HAVE "nationalized" part of their economy. That is an aspect of socialism. Usually it has to do with natural resources. The general thinking on it is that if oil is in the ground, it shouldn't belong to an individual person. That the riches of the land belong to all Norwegians, Swedes, or whatever.

Two examples:

Equinor. This is a state-owned, govt run, Norwegian Oil Company. It says right on their website, "Our purpose is to turn natural resources into energy for people, and progress for society". The state then puts the profits from this oil company into what is known as "The Government Pension Fund". That money goes into building Norway, providing education, health, public investment, saving for emergencies, etc. It currently has a trillion dollar surplus.

Sveaskog... Same thing. 100% state-owned forestry company in Sweden. Largest owner of the forest in Sweden. Funnels the profits into environment sustainability for Sweden, planting more forest, and back into the Swedish society in form of "social welfare".

So, some of these countries do have industries who operate like a business, very much make profit, but their goal is to take that money to develop their society. Oddly enough, nobody in America is even talking about doing that.

Sorry for the long rant... but it's just disingenuous to try and say Democrats want to be like Cuba or Venezuela, or some other military dictatorship. The countries being referenced by Democrats are literally the most robust democracies in the world. The freest and purest of all democracies. Not 3rd world dictatorships.

Blah blah blah. "That's just slavery with extra steps"
 
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Haha of course you believe this.. its been refuted by EVERYONE ON THE RECORD and it's supported by NO ONE ON THE RECORD. Even bolton that hates trump in his crappy book and on record, backs Trump. Wrong again, steve-o

I believe it because it's been independently verified by the AP and because it's completely in character for him.
 
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