Coale on Sooner call in show

[sybarite]

The Thursday night call-in show for Coale and Kruger is televised on FSW in Dallas on Friday (2:00 PM).

Sherri had a few observations:

1. Recruiting: she loves dealing with the kids and selling what is important (education and the college experience). She obviously has no love for those who have become involved in the middle (AAU coaches).

2. Although there is more knowledge about prospects now, you still can find diamonds in the rough or unknowns, even in the men's game. She rather excitedly identified Gioya Carter as one of those stars who weren't really known and probably wouldn't have been had it not been for her camp.

3. Rebounds are the key to the rest of the season. There was no equivocation about shooting, passing, turnovers, etc. It is all about rebounding.

4. Very, very complimentary of Nicole Griffin.

 

[soonerstar]

If her camp was important in recruiying Gioya, why did she discontinue it? I asked this on anotrher thread a few days ago when Kristy Curry was promoting her camp this summer at T Tech. It is curious she made the statement that it helped with Gioya if she cancelled it. It makes me think the decision was made over her head. Is Kruger having his this summer?

 

[sybarite]

I have no clue in either case.

 

[Oliver Hardy]

Well, her statement on recruiting is telling. She hates dealing with they AAU system and those around it. Pretty clearly because it's more dirty, filthy and cutthroat than a hungry pig sty.

However, that's the way the system works and it isn't going to change one dang bit. In fact, it's probably going to get worse.

I have heard steadily from a variety of sources and outlets for nearly two years that Sherri has bad blood with AAU coaches. That they don't like her and steer their girls away from us and vice versa.

That explains a bit why our recruiting in suffering and why we can't land the big fish, IMO.

She better find a way to choke her displeasure down and find a way to make it through that rat's nest because it's the only way we are going to get the players we need to compete at the top level (top 5 programs in the country).

If she can't do that, then IMO, it's time for her to move on.

And I agree with the earlier poster. If she's found gems in her camp, why is she allowing it to be stopped or stopping it herself when most other schools aren't? That's just plain stupid. I don't, and never have, believed the insurance, liability excuse that has been given out here and elsewhere. That doesn't add up when they continue football camps, which are far more dangerous.

She is right. There are gems out there to be found like D-Rob, Amanda, Whitney, etc. But more often than not, those gems never really amount to much.

 

[BanjoCharley]

I have heard steadily from a variety of sources and outlets for nearly two years

Wow, like every week from two or three sources and outlets for just short of two years? Hard to believe.

 

[tycat947]

Wow, like every week from two or three sources and outlets for just short of two years? Hard to believe.

:clap:clap:clap

 

[MsProudSooner]

Well, her statement on recruiting is telling. She hates dealing with they AAU system and those around it. Pretty clearly because it's more dirty, filthy and cutthroat than a hungry pig sty.

However, that's the way the system works and it isn't going to change one dang bit. In fact, it's probably going to get worse.

I have heard steadily from a variety of sources and outlets for nearly two years that Sherri has bad blood with AAU coaches. That they don't like her and steer their girls away from us and vice versa.

That explains a bit why our recruiting in suffering and why we can't land the big fish, IMO.

She better find a way to choke her displeasure down and find a way to make it through that rat's nest because it's the only way we are going to get the players we need to compete at the top level (top 5 programs in the country).

If she can't do that, then IMO, it's time for her to move on.

And I agree with the earlier poster. If she's found gems in her camp, why is she allowing it to be stopped or stopping it herself when most other schools aren't? That's just plain stupid. I don't, and never have, believed the insurance, liability excuse that has been given out here and elsewhere. That doesn't add up when they continue football camps, which are far more dangerous.

She is right. There are gems out there to be found like D-Rob, Amanda, Whitney, etc. But more often than not, those gems never really amount to much.

Sometimes, the fact that someone doesn't like you is wonderful compliment. The NCAA keeps hinting that they want to clean up the AAU mess with regard to recruiting in the men's game. Hopefully they will do the same with women's recruiting. Saying that you have to play in the mud with AAU coaches is a sad commentary on the state of women's basketball and the depths to which some people are willing to stoop to win.

As far as the camp is concerned, when people speculated about insurance, it was just that - speculation. No one knows why they were cancelled. But based on her comment, she recognized the value of them. Perhaps it's a temporary situation (due to Jan's health issues?). Perhaps she has an alternative means to scout young players.

 

[sybarite]

I forgot that I needed to transcribe every moment of the broadcast in order to clarify her position.

Sherri indicated that there are steps being taken to clean up the mess. They are looking at a lot of areas right now, some of which are simply addressed by minor modifications rather than by intent. An example was a tweet vs another form of messaging which depended entirely on which button you happened to hit on your cell phone, one of which resulted in a violation. This is being eliminated.

But, the real problem addressing the NCAA is due to a lot of irrelevant people who seem to need to be bought off because they "represent" the prospect. This was brought up by Kruger and continued by Coale. The NCAA is becoming concerned because 44% of the enrollees at any institution are finding it necessary to finish at another institution. Largely, they have found that this is because they were unduly influenced to attend a school not exactly of their chosing in the first place. They end up unhappy and transfer. A lot of this problem is due to the influence of the AAU (assumed, if not specifically stated) coaches who become unnecessarily involved, often to the confusion of the family, recruits, and legitimate coaches.

This is obviously not in the best interests of the student and have almost nothing to do with where the student would be getting an education-----remember----education, what this is supposedly all about? The NCAA is looking at the situation in order to get an idea of how to clean it up. No legitimate coach wants any part of it, and it has no "legitimate" purpose. This is from Coale, Kruger, and others.

The original question was addressed to Kruger about how things have changed since he became a coach (with regards to recruiting).

 

[35TangoTango]

......She better find a way to choke her displeasure down and find a way to make it through that rat's nest because it's the only way we are going to get the players we need to compete at the top level (top 5 programs in the country).

If she can't do that, then IMO, it's time for her to move on........

Wow!! I can only assume this is what OH calls hyperbole! Otherwise we'd better fire Kruger also, because he's not going to have a top 5 program. In fact, I guess all but 5 women's coaches and 5 men's coaches should "move on".

The truth is that what Sherri said about the AAU situation is almost certainly what virtually every Big 12 Coach has or will say (with the possible exception of KM whom we know paid off an AAU coach big time to get her DFW Elite team).

:I can't find a smilie that begins to cover this post:

 

[OKUman]

Why mess with AAU coaches? Go to the parents and player just like Switzer did, he won the parents over first.

 

[KCRuf/Nek]

Why mess with AAU coaches? Go to the parents and player just like Switzer did, he won the parents over first.

Unfortunately sometimes the AAU coaches are more family than their family is.

 

[BanjoCharley]

Too true.

 

[MsProudSooner]

Why mess with AAU coaches? Go to the parents and player just like Switzer did, he won the parents over first.

I remember Kelvin saying that some kids were beginning to say that the coach had to go through the AAU coach, not their parents and not their hs coach - and that was 7 years ago. I can't imagine how much worse it is now. Lots of these AAU coaches have shoe contracts and they try to steer their players to college with contracts with the same company. To say nothing of the ones that blatantly have their hands out. I don't know if the women's game is as bad as the mens but it's moving that way.

 

[SoonerNorm]

Just about every job has facets that are unpleasant. It doesn't mean we don't have to do them because we do. It doesn't matter if dealing with AAU coaches is distasteful, it is still a part of the recruiting process. There is just no way around it as far as I know. I don't like dealing with airports but if I want to fly, I'm going to have to deal with airports whether I like it or not.

 

[MsProudSooner]

Just about every job has facets that are unpleasant. It doesn't mean we don't have to do them because we do. It doesn't matter if dealing with AAU coaches is distasteful, it is still a part of the recruiting process. There is just no way around it as far as I know. I don't like dealing with airports but if I want to fly, I'm going to have to deal with airports whether I like it or not.

Unless the 'unpleasant' thing is corrupting the entire process. Then, if you have any ethics at all, you attempt to clean up the corruption. You don't hold your nose and go along with the 'win at any cost' crowd.

 

[SoonerNorm]

Unless the 'unpleasant' thing is corrupting the entire process. Then, if you have any ethics at all, you attempt to clean up the corruption. You don't hold your nose and go along with the 'win at any cost' crowd.

The only thing a coach can do about corruption is to report it. It is up to the NCAA to investigate the alleged corruption and deal with it. The coach can and should continue to work with AAU coaches within the rules.

 

[KCRuf/Nek]

I remember Kelvin saying that some kids were beginning to say that the coach had to go through the AAU coach, not their parents and not their hs coach - and that was 7 years ago. I can't imagine how much worse it is now. Lots of these AAU coaches have shoe contracts and they try to steer their players to college with contracts with the same company. To say nothing of the ones that blatantly have their hands out. I don't know if the women's game is as bad as the mens but it's moving that way.

We had goings on like that here about 15 years ago. A guy was involved in paying players and such. He served three years in prison for it. The private school where the first two Rush brothers were stripped of titles they won. I actually played HS sports against the guy. Nike was involved up to their elbows with him.

http://espn.go.com/magazine/vol5no03rush.html

 

[sybarite]

The last time I checked, busy airports were not against the law, nor were they particularly injurious to society. On the other hand, if someone brings a bomb to an airport, I don't think the typical response is that we should learn to live with it.

 

[MsProudSooner]

The only thing a coach can do about corruption is to report it. It is up to the NCAA to investigate the alleged corruption and deal with it. The coach can and should continue to work with AAU coaches within the rules.

I didn't hear Coach Coale's remarks, but I'm sure she doesn't mind working with ethical AAU coaches.

 

[gosooner2]

The last time I checked, busy airports were not against the law, nor were they particularly injurious to society. On the other hand, if someone brings a bomb to an airport, I don't think the typical response is that we should learn to live with it.

I did not know that AAu coaches physically injured people! They are in some cases certainly scum to deal with.