Coale on Sooner call in show

[j2d2]

If you wait for the national communists against athletes to make meaningful rules to control the AAU and recruiting...............eternity is too short a time. I dont know which is more corrupt.

 

[SoonerNorm]

I didn't hear Coach Coale's remarks, but I'm sure she doesn't mind working with ethical AAU coaches.

It's okay for Sherri to deal with unethical coaches. It doesn't mean she agrees with them or has to resort to an unethical code of conduct. I have to deal with various people who have trouble telling the truth. It doesn't mean I do.

 

[sybarite]

I did not know that AAu coaches physically injured people! They are in some cases certainly scum to deal with.

They do break laws, especially NCAA laws, as well as to put the best interests of their charge as secondary to their own. Physical laws aren't the only laws, nor the only form of injury.

 

[SoonerNorm]

They do break laws, especially NCAA laws, as well as to put the best interests of their charge as secondary to their own. Physical laws aren't the only laws, nor the only form of injury.

I've never heard that AAU coaches are subject to NCAA rules.

 

[sybarite]

I've never heard that AAU coaches are subject to NCAA rules.

The students are subject to NCAA rules as are the coaches involved with them. Some states are now passing state laws against the non-affiliated recruiters (AAU coaches?).

 

[SoonerNorm]

The students are subject to NCAA rules as are the coaches involved with them. Some states are now passing state laws against the non-affiliated recruiters (AAU coaches?).

I'm confused. Earlier you said AAU coaches violate NCAA rules but it now seems you saying they aren't subject to NCAA rules.

 

[Oliver Hardy]

Sherri made it clear last summer her personal dislike for the AAU circuit in her own words and we had a thorough discussion of that then.

As far as I am concerned, her recents comments are a continuation of her thinking and could be an inclination of how she is, or isn't, managing recruiting.

Coupled with the more than abundant rumors of the mutal dislike between AAU Coaches and Coale, it seems OU and our coaching staff is having trouble landing top 20 recruits.

I don't support an OU coach breaking NCAA rules. I don't support an OU coach slipping to the alleged level of Mulkey or Saban.

I love the fact that Sherri seems to have a moral and ethical compass. I'm happy that she believes, as do we all, that the entire system needs to be kicked to the curb or drastically changed from HS all the way up.

I share that belief. When, and if, the system ever changes, great.

But, until then, I do expect an OU coach to find a way to consistently and effectively work around or through the corrupt AAU system to achieve recruiting success and bring the caliber of players to OU that will bring us our first national championship.

I say again, if she cannot do that, then it's time for her to move on. I am not positive she is, isn't, can, or won't. There seems to be circumstancial evidenvce that some problem is beginning to develop or exists that is hurting OU's recruiting.

I look forward to the day when that perception and possible reality is non-existent.

 

[SoonerNorm]

Yep, coaches have to deal with AAU coaches because they may use their influence to cut college coaches off at the knees otherwise.

 

[Oliver Hardy]

Another thing --- I'm sick of you guys complaining about Mulkey and her alleged recruiting violations as a defense for whatever we discuss about OU's program or what's right or wrong about NCAA women's basketball.

If you have factual information about Baylor/Mulkey violations, report it to the media or to the NCAA. Provide them with enough evidence to act or shut the Hell up about it.

Hell, post it here. Just because someone thinks it or says it doesn't make it true.

Same goes for Geno, Muffin, Tennessee or Stanford.

Most of you just hate Mulkey because you don't like her personality and she's developed a massive winner at Baylor. I don't blame you. I'm right there with you.

But, to me, you weaken your statements and thinking every time her name comes off your fingers or out of your mouth.

 

[35TangoTango]

Another thing --- I'm sick of you guys complaining about Mulkey and her alleged recruiting violations as a defense for whatever we discuss about OU's program or what's right or wrong about NCAA women's basketball.

There's nothing alleged about KM's recruiting violations. The NCAA investigation, findings, and penalties handed down are a matter of public record.

 

[sybarite]

There's nothing alleged about KM's recruiting violations. The NCAA investigation, findings, and penalties handed down are a matter of public record.

Exactly.

 

[Oliver Hardy]

Oh, yes, Tango. You and Syb are right.

I'd forgotten about those "penalties" for making probably less half of the 1,500 impermissable phone calls that Baylor discovered last summer. Less than a 1,000 out of 900,000 total review messages by the entire Baylor athletic department.

Let's see now...those SELF-IMPOSEDpenalties that were NOT LEVIED by the NCAA were:

Kim you and your coaches have to stay at home for a whole month in July 2012 and not recruit. And you lost two scholarships in 2011-12, like that's something big with your roster.

While technically at that time classified as serious violations, oh, oh, oh the pain.

And isn't that the same thing Kelvin and OU got penalized for and everyone said: so what? Isn't that the same thing Norvell and OU was penalized for and everyone said: so what? And isn't all that kind of stuff the very things the NCAA has begun to deregulate already because it's ridiculous to try to enforce that or for coaches not to run afoul of such stupid rules?

And let's not forget, again, that Baylor reported them, set their own penalties, and the NCAA just xzic meh, okay, you're fine with your own little wrist-slap.

Nevermind answering those questions.

If you've got real courtroom-style evidence that Mulkey has paid recruits, parents, AAU coaches or given some benefit to players, get it out there. Otherwise don't bother responding.

It has nothing to do, really, with my main points in this thread.

 

[sybarite]

Oh, yes, Tango. You and Syb are right.

I'd forgotten about those "penalties" for making probably less half of the 1,500 impermissable phone calls that Baylor discovered last summer. Less than a 1,000 out of 900,000 total review messages by the entire Baylor athletic department.

Let's see now...those SELF-IMPOSEDpenalties that were NOT LEVIED by the NCAA were:

Kim you and your coaches have to stay at home for a whole month in July 2012 and not recruit. And you lost two scholarships in 2011-12, like that's something big with your roster.

While technically at that time classified as serious violations, oh, oh, oh the pain.

And isn't that the same thing Kelvin and OU got penalized for and everyone said: so what? Isn't that the same thing Norvell and OU was penalized for and everyone said: so what? And isn't all that kind of stuff the very things the NCAA has begun to deregulate already because it's ridiculous to try to enforce that or for coaches not to run afoul of such stupid rules?

And let's not forget, again, that Baylor reported them, set their own penalties, and the NCAA just xzic meh, okay, you're fine with your own little wrist-slap.

Nevermind answering those questions.

If you've got real courtroom-style evidence that Mulkey has paid recruits, parents, AAU coaches or given some benefit to players, get it out there. Otherwise don't bother responding.

It has nothing to do, really, with my main points in this thread.

How about the fact that these violations were admitted by Baylor, the AAU coach involved, and Griner's relatives?----oh, and, yes, by Kim who simply complained that it was her right as a parent.

 

[Oliver Hardy]

Then perhaps you can explain why nothing ever came of it?

 

[Oliver Hardy]

She does have rights as a parent, although you apparently think she shouldn't.

We all know and agree a ton of coaches are dirty in the women's game, but it doesn't matter if you aren't caught and punished.

So talking about something that hasn't been adjudicated and won't be doesn't matter.

 

[sybarite]

Sounds like the defense of a small-time hood, "fifty-six arrests and no convictions."

YET.

 

[Oliver Hardy]

So we disagree on the importance of Mulkey's ALLEGED violations that have never been proven, investigated or punished.

Out of curiousity, is there a reason you haven't stayed on the topic of this thread, which you helped start?

 

[sybarite]

So we disagree on the importance of Mulkey's ALLEGED violations that have never been proven, investigated or punished.

Out of curiousity, is there a reason you haven't stayed on the topic of this thread, which you helped start?

Admission is not proof?

 

[YCN]

If you wait for the national communists against athletes to make meaningful rules to control the AAU and recruiting...............eternity is too short a time. I dont know which is more corrupt.

Wow! Shades of a doper who happened to play LB at OU.

Got anything useful to say?

 

[35TangoTango]

So we disagree on the importance of Mulkey's ALLEGED violations that have never been proven, investigated or punished

What we've been trying to tell you is that your facts are incorrect; in one sentence you are wrong four times:
(1) The violations are real, not alleged.
(2) They have been proven.
(3) They have been investigated.
(4) Punishment was assessed by the NCAA.

This is not hard to verify - you can Google it.