Current Events Thread

[WTSooner]

All hell will break free.
You can't let that threat effect justice though.
And I don't think justice is sending those cops to jail.
Someone should be held accountable but not those cops.

Gonna have to change the no-knock law. That case didn't warrant it. But that isn't on those cops. They had the warrant and they served it. They shot b/c they were shot at. Just a bad situation. Another case of the left acting like the victim was some innocent do-gooder though. She wasn't. At least in terms of who she associated with. You lie with dogs, you are going to catch fleas. Just a fact of life.

But yeah, if they don't get charged, things are going to get ugly again. Probably not just in Louisville either.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Gonna have to change the no-knock law. That case didn't warrant it. But that isn't on those cops. They had the warrant and they served it. They shot b/c they were shot at. Just a bad situation. Another case of the left acting like the victim was some innocent do-gooder though. She wasn't. At least in terms of who she associated with. You lie with dogs, you are going to catch fleas. Just a fact of life.

But yeah, if they don't get charged, things are going to get ugly again. Probably not just in Louisville either.

Agree. the no knock was not needed.

But if you try and have a reasonable discussion about it you are attacked. If you try to point out that the warrant was not incorrect, that they weren't at the wrong house, you are attacked. It isn't about justice anymore. If you don't want the cops dead no questions asked, you are attacked.

 

[BCSooners]

Gonna have to change the no-knock law. That case didn't warrant it. But that isn't on those cops. They had the warrant and they served it. They shot b/c they were shot at. Just a bad situation. Another case of the left acting like the victim was some innocent do-gooder though. She wasn't. At least in terms of who she associated with. You lie with dogs, you are going to catch fleas. Just a fact of life.

But yeah, if they don't get charged, things are going to get ugly again. Probably not just in Louisville either.

Yes just another bad situation where someone was murdered in their own home not doing anything.

 

[BCSooners]

Agree. the no knock was not needed.

But if you try and have a reasonable discussion about it you are attacked. If you try to point out that the warrant was not incorrect, that they weren't at the wrong house, you are attacked. It isn't about justice anymore. If you don't want the cops dead no questions asked, you are attacked.

How is it not about justice to want people held accountable who murdered someone in their own home who wasn’t doing anything?

Not one person I can recall had said the police were at the wrong house & not one person has advocated for police to be killed.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

How is it not about justice to want people held accountable who murdered someone in their own home who wasn’t doing anything?

Not one person I can recall had said the police were at the wrong house & not one person has advocated for police to be killed.

Go get on twitter. Any discussion around Breona Taylor is full of people saying they weren't even at the right house. It is rampant.

It isn't about justice because all people see is that a black person was killed and they want the cops charged. Without even looking into it. You yourself just kind of proved this by saying she was murdered. She wasn't murdered. She was killed by gunfire.

Cops have a right to defend themselves. If they are fired at, they have every right to fire back. The home owner had every right to fire at what he thought was an intruder as well. That is why the ones to blame are whomever signed off on the no knock warrant AND the cops IF they did not follow protocol. I wish they had body cam footage to see if the cops announced themselves like they say they did.

And as far as your comment that not one person has called for police to be killed....c'mon. turn on the TV. Get on social media. More cops have been killed in the line of duty this year than unarmed black people were killed last. year. It is almost daily that another cop is shot while in their cop car.

 

[BCSooners]

Go get on twitter. Any discussion around Breona Taylor is full of people saying they weren't even at the right house. It is rampant.

It isn't about justice because all people see is that a black person was killed and they want the cops charged. Without even looking into it. You yourself just kind of proved this by saying she was murdered. She wasn't murdered. She was killed by gunfire.

Cops have a right to defend themselves. If they are fired at, they have every right to fire back. The home owner had every right to fire at what he thought was an intruder as well. That is why the ones to blame are whomever signed off on the no knock warrant AND the cops IF they did not follow protocol. I wish they had body cam footage to see if the cops announced themselves like they say they did.

And as far as your comment that not one person has called for police to be killed....c'mon. turn on the TV. Get on social media. More cops have been killed in the line of duty this year than unarmed black people were killed last. year. It is almost daily that another cop is shot while in their cop car.

Oh I didn’t know we were bringing up everyone on social media into these discussions. Hey there are people on social media saying black lives don’t matter and wish they went away because now we can bring in all the crazy people on social media to back an argument.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Oh I didn’t know we were bringing up everyone on social media into these discussions. Hey there are people on social media saying black lives don’t matter and wish they went away because now we can bring in all the crazy people on social media to back an argument.

Whatever dude. it is rampant. it isn't hard to find. the outrages are causing cops sitting in their cars to be shot and killed.

 

[Eielson]

That was a dem president and a republican senate. Big difference. Every single time there has been an opening on SCOTUS during an election year, the president made a nomination.

But you are essentially admitting the hypocrisy here...

It’s happened 29 times in our history. When the president and the senate are different parties, politics come into play. When they’re from the same party, the nominee gets confirmed.

 

[Eielson]

Read my post again? Repubs own senate. Last time dems Didn't own senate

That shouldn't be relevant. Either the president has that right in their final year or they don't. Owning the senate should not be an obligation.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

That shouldn't be relevant. Either the president has that right in their final year or they don't. Owning the senate should not be an obligation.

Why not? President gets to nominate and the senate is needed to confirm

 

[Eielson]

Why not? President gets to nominate and the senate is needed to confirm

I refuse to answer this on grounds that it's blatantly obvious to anybody who isn't drinking their party's kool-aid.

 

[mict085]

But you are essentially admitting the hypocrisy here...

The hypocrisy of politicians? Absolutely.

 

[sheepdogs1]

Looks like more Epstein' flight logs are to be released.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...psteins-aircraft-revealed-sparking-panic.html

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Looks like more Epstein' flight logs are to be released.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...psteins-aircraft-revealed-sparking-panic.html

I kind of hope trump and biden's names are both on them

 

[thebigabd]

I refuse to answer this on grounds that it's blatantly obvious to anybody who isn't drinking their party's kool-aid.

The proper answer to this is to let it go.... You can't win this. They have the white house and the senate. You can only deal with this after the fact by adding more justices, or changing the law when you are in power about how the confirmation process works, or doing nothing. But you can't do anything about the present situation. All your options only make you look bad.

For this particular scenario, you really can't win. As a liberal, you kinda hope he puts up Lagoa in the hope that she's not as extreme right as Barrett, but that's all you can do. But that's a hope, not a fight you take on.

Don't fight battles you can't win... This is basic principle, dating back to "The Art of War" by Sun Tzu.

"It is the rule in war, if our forces are ten to the enemy's one, to surround him; if five to one, to attack him; if twice as numerous, to divide our army into two. If equally matched, we can offer battle; if slightly inferior in numbers, we can avoid the enemy; if quite unequal in every way, we can flee from him.”
-Sun Tzu

It is obvious where liberals are on that scale... we are slightly inferior in numbers. Therefore, we avoid.

 

[mict085]

Is it really a good idea to change the rules every time the ruling party is Different? The dems have already proven they don’t want to play by the rules. THey want to burn everything down when they don’t get their way. It’s a dangerous way to do business. The dems continue to break everything down and then play the victim when it suits them. It’s a bunch of hypocritical bull****, now from both sides.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Is it really a good idea to change the rules every time the ruling party is Different? The dems have already proven they don’t want to play by the rules. THey want to burn everything down when they don’t get their way. It’s a dangerous way to do business. The dems continue to break everything down and then play the victim when it suits them. It’s a bunch of hypocritical bull****, now from both sides.

this is how democracies end. Slowly over time, the things that made the democracy great are eroded away. Eventually you get to the point where one party just takes over. We are still a ways away from that but we are on that trajectory

 

[thebigabd]

Is it really a good idea to change the rules every time the ruling party is Different? The dems have already proven they don’t want to play by the rules. THey want to burn everything down when they don’t get their way. It’s a dangerous way to do business. The dems continue to break everything down and then play the victim when it suits them. It’s a bunch of hypocritical bull****, now from both sides.

It's not illegal, unethical, or immoral.

Is it?

 

[thebigabd]

this is how democracies end. Slowly over time, the things that made the democracy great are eroded away. Eventually you get to the point where one party just takes over. We are still a ways away from that but we are on that trajectory

You place way too much stock into our "democracy" as it stands today. It is seriously flawed and misunderstood. The fix to most problems (in my opinion) is MORE democracy, and we have been going with LESS democracy. The powers that be don't want real democracy, especially at the federal level.

Democracy dies when you stagnate... it dies when you openly discourage it. It dies when you don't do everything in your power to encourage it. It dies when what the people want is ignored, neglected, etc. It dies when it's not constantly expanded.

Changing rules doesn't kill democracy. Defending the status quo doesn't kill democracy.

I recommend the following books on this. I have read a few of these multiple times. Very good reads.

• Democracy and its Critics, by Robert Dahl
• Direct Democracy and the Courts, by Kenneth Miller
• Direct Democracy. The Politics of Initiative, Referendum, and Recall. By Thomas Cronin
• Swiss Democracy, by Vincent Kucholl
• Retained by the People, by Dan Farber

 

[SoonerBounce13]

It's not illegal, unethical, or immoral.

Is it?

depends on your morals.
If you can't win, change the rules in your favor....those aren't the morals I teach my kids.