Damnit TCU!

[bocabull]

The 5th place ACC team based on the RPI is 20-2 Notre Dame. The 11th place RPI team Pittsburgh beat Kansas State 70-47. Syracuse is the #8 team in the ACC at #62 in the RPI and would likely beat every Big XII team except Kansas come March.

I laugh at the constant insults thrown my way around here. Make a valid point drooling clowns.

 

[DenverSooner]

The 5th place ACC team based on the RPI is 20-2 Notre Dame. The 11th place RPI team Pittsburgh beat Kansas State 70-47. Syracuse is the #8 team in the ACC at #62 in the RPI and would likely beat every Big XII team except Kansas come March.

I laugh at the constant insults thrown my way around here. Make a valid point drooling clowns.

Address the draft statistics previously referenced. When you do adjust for the size of the conferences. The Big XII is the smallest major conference. The only argument is that source is bad. Statistically it destroys your argument.

I remember when Syracuse was going to beat OU in Memphis. It didn't happen. In modern times OU is 2-1 against Syracuse. One game was played in Syracuse, another in Albany (that is like OU playing in Tulsa). The third was in Memphis. That doesn't bode well for Syracuse.

 

[MichaelM]

The 5th place ACC team based on the RPI is 20-2 Notre Dame. The 11th place RPI team Pittsburgh beat Kansas State 70-47. Syracuse is the #8 team in the ACC at #62 in the RPI and would likely beat every Big XII team except Kansas come March.

I laugh at the constant insults thrown my way around here. Make a valid point drooling clowns.

RPI is a terrible measure of how good a team is. Kansas is currently #1 ahead of a Kentucky team that beat them by 30+.

Let's try Pomeroy instead. The ACC has 3 teams in the top 10 and 5 in the top 14, which is amazing. Then their next team is in the 50s, then two in the 60s, one in the 70s, and no one else in the top 100. That's 9/15 teams in the top 80.

The Big 12 has no one in the top 10. But they have five in the top 20, and an astounding 7/10 of the league is in the top 30. Then there's TCU at 41, KSU at 74, and only Texas Tech at 174 is outside the top 80.

Does 9/15 beat 9/10? That's your call.

 

[152219]

The Big 12 is arguably the best conference from top to bottom. But, there is a good chance that the league doesn't get a team to the Elite 8 and that will likely hurt with the national "experts" when speaking of the strength of the league. What I do know is that the games have been fun to watch this year.

 

[oSuJeff97]

RPI is a terrible measure of how good a team is. Kansas is currently #1 ahead of a Kentucky team that beat them by 30+.

Let's try Pomeroy instead. The ACC has 3 teams in the top 10 and 5 in the top 14, which is amazing. Then their next team is in the 50s, then two in the 60s, one in the 70s, and no one else in the top 100. That's 9/15 teams in the top 80.

The Big 12 has no one in the top 10. But they have five in the top 20, and an astounding 7/10 of the league is in the top 30. Then there's TCU at 41, KSU at 74, and only Texas Tech at 174 is outside the top 80.

Does 9/15 beat 9/10? That's your call.

Shhhhh..... don't tell boca that his precious RPI isn't a power poll. He uses it for all arguments in determining which teams are better than others...

The only time he ignores it is when he's saying that OSU is "trash" or "terrible" or "junk" or whatever.

 

[bocabull]

kenpom is complete and utter worthless garbage.

lol @ TCU being #41.

How about 11-10 Arizona State at #48 1 spot ahead of 15-6 Indiana at #49.

The RPI is the ultimate power poll. What is your record. What is the record of the teams you played. Who did the teams you play beat or lose to. All these silly nonsensical stats like ranking offense and defense are statistical trash.

 

[152219]

kenpom is complete and utter worthless garbage.

lol @ TCU being #41.

How about 11-10 Arizona State at #48 1 spot ahead of 15-6 Indiana at #49.

The RPI is the ultimate power poll. What is your record. What is the record of the teams you played. Who did the teams you play beat or lose to. All these silly nonsensical stats like ranking offense and defense are statistical trash.

Except of course the NBA GMs, scouts, coaches, etc are all about the analytics that you just downplayed.

 

[DSMok1]

kenpom is complete and utter worthless garbage.

lol @ TCU being #41.

How about 11-10 Arizona State at #48 1 spot ahead of 15-6 Indiana at #49.

The RPI is the ultimate power poll. What is your record. What is the record of the teams you played. Who did the teams you play beat or lose to. All these silly nonsensical stats like ranking offense and defense are statistical trash.

If Indiana played Arizona St on a neutral floor, they'd win about half the time (based on history).

If you take 2 RPI teams of similar rank, one could be WAY better than the other in reality.

RPI doesn't even measure a team's resume well, since it's only looking at W/L, Opp W/L and Opp-Opp W/L. That's not nearly far enough out to look at in a poorly networked system like college basketball. It doesn't even measure well what it's supposed to measure.

 

[DenverSooner]

kenpom is complete and utter worthless garbage.

lol @ TCU being #41.

How about 11-10 Arizona State at #48 1 spot ahead of 15-6 Indiana at #49.

The RPI is the ultimate power poll. What is your record. What is the record of the teams you played. Who did the teams you play beat or lose to. All these silly nonsensical stats like ranking offense and defense are statistical trash.

The ACC has an average RPI of 69. The Big XII has an average RPI of 47.3.

 

[Price is Right]

Bocas argument takes new directions every time he comes up empty lol are you going to address the draft issue that was mentioned? or the fact that the big12 has a higher average RPI? Or are you just going to put a new spin on it?:ez-laugh:

 

[DenverSooner]

Bocas argument takes new directions every time he comes up empty lol are you going to address the draft issue that was mentioned? or the fact that the big12 has a higher average RPI? Or are you just going to put a new spin on it?:ez-laugh:

Well done!

 

[bocabull]

Bocas argument takes new directions every time he comes up empty lol are you going to address the draft issue that was mentioned? or the fact that the big12 has a higher average RPI? Or are you just going to put a new spin on it?:ez-laugh:

New direction? Ignoring weak irrelevant arguments is not taking a new direction.

nbadraft.net way too early mock draft ... irrelevant. Wanna compare ACC vs Big XII players in the NBA? I didn't think so. Draft express has 12 ACC players in the top 50 prospects vs 3 for the Big XII. link

"average" RPI ... irrelevant. Any team without a chance of finishing in the top 60 of the RPI doesn't exist come March.

The ACC is better. Anybody who wants to make a wager on which conference has more teams in the sweet 16, name your price. I'll take it.

 

[oSuJeff97]

kenpom is complete and utter worthless garbage.

lol @ TCU being #41.

How about 11-10 Arizona State at #48 1 spot ahead of 15-6 Indiana at #49.

The RPI is the ultimate power poll. What is your record. What is the record of the teams you played. Who did the teams you play beat or lose to. All these silly nonsensical stats like ranking offense and defense are statistical trash.

What a bunch of ridiculous gibberish.

You clearly have NO IDEA what goes into either KenPom or RPI, nor do you have any idea what each of those things are attempting to measure.

Keep up the good work, Wiggum.

 

[campbest]

Draft Express >>>>> NBAdraft.net

 

[bocabull]

What a bunch of ridiculous gibberish.

You clearly have NO IDEA what goes into either KenPom or RPI, nor do you have any idea what each of those things are attempting to measure.

Keep up the good work, Wiggum.

OK dumb aggie. If RPI is not W/L, Opp W/L and Opp-Opp W/L, tell me what it is.

 

[DenverSooner]

"average" RPI ... irrelevant. Any team without a chance of finishing in the top 60 of the RPI doesn't exist come March.

Another new argument. Only teams with top 60 RPIs count. OK. Big XII average is 18.8. ACC is 23.2. Also the ACC has a team ranked 62 so your odd number that isn't 64 conveniently leaves out an ACC that would move the ACC average to 28.1.

For those that don't understand why 64 is a more appropriate number, it is the number of team in the Tournament (ignoring play in games).

 

[DenverSooner]

OK dumb aggie.

If the law is your side, argue the law. If the facts are on your side, argue the facts. If neither the law nor the facts are your side pound the podium. I think Lincoln said this.

Nice podium pounding.

 

[garyeb2]

OK dumb aggie. If RPI is not W/L, Opp W/L and Opp-Opp W/L, tell me what it is.

In addition, RPI also assigns different values to home, neutral court, and road games in in computing their index. It assigns a relative value of a particular w/l record against their way of measuring strength of schedule.

 

[bocabull]

If the law is your side, argue the law. If the facts are on your side, argue the facts. If neither the law nor the facts are your side pound the podium. I think Lincoln said this.

Nice podium pounding.

How about this, don't argue at all. Put your money where your mouth is. The ACC will do better in the tournament than the Big XII. I keep offering to accept any wager. Put up or shut up lawyer.

LOL @ using nbadraft.net and average RPIs and acting like they are legitimate points. What a moron.

 

[DenverSooner]

How about this, don't argue at all. Put your money where your mouth is. The ACC will do better in the tournament than the Big XII. I keep offering to accept any wager. Put up or shut up lawyer.

LOL @ using nbadraft.net and average RPIs and acting like they are legitimate points. What a moron.

So now you change your position again. I think you are now at the top teams in the ACC are better than the top teams in the Big XII. Is that correct?

Right now I wouldn't bet anyone on that proposition because the odds clearly favor the ACC at this time but I would never bet you. You strike me as the kind of guy that wouldn't even pay a $5 bet.