Dashawn Harden

If you can remember, Sherri always -- ALWAYS -- pulled heralmost immediately after she made a mistake -- treatment she doesn't always equally administer. If she did, Morgan, who sometimes has been a turnover machine, would sit more than she has.

Additionally, I vividly remember her really chewing on Harden from the sideline several times when Harden was still on the floor. Something she doesn't do very often. She's done it a lot to Kornet this past season too.

None of that is wrong, either. To me, it's just a sign of someone irritating their coach and the result being she was in the doghouse a bit.

And don't you apologists act like Sherri doesn't have a dog house. we all know she does. Every coach does.

I believe we all thought Harden was talented and had a major upside. It just didn't work out.
 
Oliver Hardy said:
If you can remember, Sherri always -- ALWAYS -- pulled heralmost immediately after she made a mistake -- treatment she doesn't always equally administer. If she did, Morgan, who sometimes has been a turnover machine, would sit more than she has.

Additionally, I vividly remember her really chewing on Harden from the sideline several times when Harden was still on the floor. Something she doesn't do very often. She's done it a lot to Kornet this past season too.

None of that is wrong, either. To me, it's just a sign of someone irritating their coach and the result being she was in the doghouse a bit.

And don't you apologists act like Sherri doesn't have a dog house. we all know she does. Every coach does.

I believe we all thought Harden was talented and had a major upside. It just didn't work out.
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If you remember Morgan was in Sherri's dog house her freshman year as well. Do not worry though, Morgan has one year left then you can rag on the next point guard. Damn I am tired of these boards bashing our own players and complimenting those that could not cut it.
 
DarthSooner said:
If you remember Morgan was in Sherri's dog house her freshman year as well. Do not worry though, Morgan has one year left then you can rag on the next point guard. Damn I am tired of these boards bashing our own players and complimenting those that could not cut it.
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Then why didn't you post on the thread which does nothing but praise the program???? Could it be that you prefer just to attack other posters?
 
DarthSooner said:
If you remember Morgan was in Sherri's dog house her freshman year as well. Do not worry though, Morgan has one year left then you can rag on the next point guard. Damn I am tired of these boards bashing our own players and complimenting those that could not cut it.
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:clap:clap:clap
 
I didn't bash anyone, Darth. I stated fact. You may think it was bashing, I don't -- and it certainly wasn't intended that way.

You gestapo apologists are ridiculous.
 
Oliver Hardy said:
I didn't bash anyone, Darth. I stated fact. You may think it was bashing, I don't -- and it certainly wasn't intended that way.

You gestapo apologists are ridiculous.
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A poster who calls someone else a 'gestapo apologist' shouldn't call anyone ridiculous. :facepalm
 
MsProudSooner said:
A poster who calls someone else a 'gestapo apologist' shouldn't call anyone ridiculous. :facepalm
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I give back what was dished out MS. I simply stated the very things about Harden's tenure here that everyone talked - and mostly agreed to - when she was here. And I got personally attacked for it

The sunshine pumpers on this site have a regular tendency to make personal attacks against those who disagree with them. And then the pious on this board want to moan about the way the attacked responded.

As to my comment, it is a simple, logical conclusion that if Morgan, or a number of other players, got pulled every time they made a mistake, as Harden and some others have, then they would have been on the floor a lot less.

That's Sherri's perogative, as I noted. It's just the way it is.

I don't expect any of you to agree with me. I don't care if you do or don't.
 
Oliver Hardy said:
I don't expect any of you to agree with me. I don't care if you do or don't.
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That's good, because I sure don't. You are flat out saying that Sherri doesn't play her best players, and that specifically Dashawn didn't get the same opportunities that Morgan did.

I disagree. The general charge that Sherri plays favorites, not the players that can help the team, is shown to be false just by her record. You don't win that much without knowing who your best players are and getting them on the floor and playing together.

The specific charge that Morgan got favors is bogus for the same reasons. DaShawn did some spectacular things on occasion when she played. However, the team did not do as well with DaShawn running the offense as they did with Morgan, and that's what it's all about. The PG position was Harden's to lose, and she lost it.

That said, I don't think playing time was the reason she left. When one transfers from D1 to JUCO, the reason is usually grades.
 
I have observed comments about Dashawn over the last few years and some of the good and some are not. I believe you will never now the true reason of what happened but something did. I do know that every kid responds differently to certian environments. I know that grades played a part in Harden leaving but it was not the total reason because Harden attended STA a private school and they do not allow you to graduate being a average kid in the classroom. What happened? How can a kid lead a team to a 25-0 record in highschool and then turn around and not do aswell at OU but become a WBCA All-American after leaving OU. I believe it starts with if a kids wants to play for a coach will determine how hard they play.. In the Game against St John while OU last year was trying to advance to the sweet 16 Morgan got in foul trouble and Harden had to step in but at the end of the game after Harden made a key 3 point shout to get OU with-in 1 point but got pulled shortly after the shout. How does a kid with some much talent respond to that when they have been programed to believe that the best players are on the court with the game is on the line. I believe if OU would have re-recruited Harden she would have returned but OU did not....
 
35TangoTango said:
That's good, because I sure don't. You are flat out saying that Sherri doesn't play her best players, and that specifically Dashawn didn't get the same opportunities that Morgan did.

I disagree. The general charge that Sherri plays favorites, not the players that can help the team, is shown to be false just by her record. You don't win that much without knowing who your best players are and getting them on the floor and playing together.

The specific charge that Morgan got favors is bogus for the same reasons. DaShawn did some spectacular things on occasion when she played. However, the team did not do as well with DaShawn running the offense as they did with Morgan, and that's what it's all about. The PG position was Harden's to lose, and she lost it.

That said, I don't think playing time was the reason she left. When one transfers from D1 to JUCO, the reason is usually grades.
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You are incorrectly interpreting my remarks, Tango. I am not implying Sherri doesn't play her best players. I absolutely think she does. In fact, she always has. In many of her years here there has been a clear disparity in our top and bottom talent and she really hasn't had much choice in the matter. Morgan was and is a better point guard than Harden.

What I am saying is that the way Sherri pulls her players is sometimes a clear indication that they are on a short leash, or in her doghouse, whether they be younger or more experienced.

My analogy was that Harden, while having a tremendous upside, was making a lot of mistakes and Sherri got tired of it and that resulted in the quick pulls. Sherri seems to put players on that short leash when they fail to learn and implement the things she wants them to do.

Morgan, as my example and while making a lot of turnovers sometimes, did not get pulled as frequently when she made errors. I think that's because Sherri knew she was trying but was just having a bad night.

As an example, during the tournaments this year, Morgan turned the ball over on consecutive runs down the floor in a couple of games. Sherri got tired of it and sat her down for prolonged minutes a couple of times. Morgan got in Sherri's doghouse a bit. When she came back in Morgan was focusing harder.

Morgan takes those instances and learns from them. Harden, as a freshman, seemed to have a hard time doing that.

I think it was a compilation of things that led Harden out the door. I agree with you that it was probably grades. I also think she had trouble assimilating and bonding with teammates and I think she found out she just might not have liked the people and program here.

As a last thought, I will say that it is ludicrous to believe that Sherri - or other coaches -- don't have favorites. They all do. It's the nature of human beings. If anyone of you think that Whitney Hand was probably not Sherri's favorite player of all stinking time, then you aren't thinking straight. Did she get some leeway because of that probably. And it was well-deserved.

It is inevitable that such feelings are a part of a decision-making process by a coach. It isn't wrong. It just is, and to act like that doesn't even exist just because you personally like Sherri and the job she is doing is silly behavior.

I hate to break it to some of you, but Sherri isn't perfect, as much as many of you like to argue that she is.
 
It is time that this self-congratulation attitude of "reality-seekers" become silent. There isn't one person on this board who thinks Sherri is perfect. Many of us just think she knows a whole lot more about basketball than a few self-appointed reality seekers who seem to insert the gentle twist of a knife into the most benign of accolades for Sherri. This resulted from a totally absurd statement by a newcomer:
IMO, Harden was a player that had more natural skill and ability than Morgan had. However, isn't Morgan dating Sherri's son? That could be a very good reason as to why Morgan would get the spot over Deshawn, and her departure.
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That is a lot more than just a slap at Sherri's competence. It is a slap at the integrity of Sherri, her son, and the program. It is not a complaint about incompetence, but an accusation of wrong-doing for which someone would be terminated immediately.

And, some defended the statement? If you have the audacity to defend such a statement, you can not be considered a legitimate voice of any form of reality. That statement was something that should not be tolerated on an OU board. It is more than criticism. It is a malacious accusation. It is not just rumor or opinion. It is an accusation. It is the type of statement that could actually end up being regarded as slander in a court of law. It was deliberate and with malicious intent.
 
Well, Syb, I didn't make that stupid statement about Morgan and Sherri's son. In fact, I ridiculed it by saying it had no credence in the discussion of Harden and Morgan.

However, I'm sure you can find some of my words to twist or some stat to put out there to make it look like I did. Or, perhaps you can just try another of your famous misdirection posts.

What it's time for everyone to do here is to remember everyone is entitled to their opinion and to how and when they state it. There are no rules against doing such.

A message board isn't a kumbaya campfire or a lets-all-hold-hands-and-chant-the-mantra-of-the-unified-and-loving place. People with few posts and who show up only rarely are trolls. Some of you need to just get over it.

If you can't, then go form your own board and make the rules. It's time for all of you, if you are one of those people, to BE SILENT SYB.

By the way, this isn't an OU board. It's a board about OU basketball. Period. I don't think it was intended to be a propoganda outlet. It's just a place where we can exchange info, ideas and opinions.
 
Oliver Hardy said:
By the way, this isn't an OU board. It's a board about OU basketball. Period. I don't think it was intended to be a propoganda outlet. It's just a place where we can exchange info, ideas and opinions.
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First, I will defend to the death the right for you (or anyone) to have their opinions, and to post them. Likewise, I hope you will defend my right to disagree and to post that disagreement.

Second, while this is not an OU board, most of us are here because we are fans of the OU women's basketball program. If you are going to make a criticism of that program and its staff that some fans feel is an unwarranted attack, you should expect disagreement.

Some seem to be fans first, critics second; others critics first fans second. Neither position necessarily sees things more accurately.

Finally, while I think we can all agree that it's not a propaganda outlet, we do know that there are some players, some parents, and maybe even some coaches who look at this site (lord only knows why). We should all take that into account and use a little bit of discretion in our posting.
 
35TangoTango said:
First, I will defend to the death the right for you (or anyone) to have their opinions, and to post them. Likewise, I hope you will defend my right to disagree and to post that disagreement.

Second, while this is not an OU board, most of us are here because we are fans of the OU women's basketball program. If you are going to make a criticism of that program and its staff that some fans feel is an unwarranted attack, you should expect disagreement.

Some seem to be fans first, critics second; others critics first fans second. Neither position necessarily sees things more accurately.

Finally, while I think we can all agree that it's not a propaganda outlet, we do know that there are some players, some parents, and maybe even some coaches who look at this site (lord only knows why). We should all take that into account and use a little bit of discretion in our posting.
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Tango, I fully support your right to do whatever you want here. I understand that you and others think I'm a "critic first." That's fine.

Personal attacks, however, are not allowed on this board. A criticism is not an attack.

Again, using Morgan as an example, if I say she's stinking up floor if she when she goes up the court 4 or 5 straight times and turns it over (as she did against Tennesse), that is a criticism. It's an opinion based upon observation and/or a fact.

Now, Darth, without identifying me by name, chose to lash out me personally, charging that I was "bashing our players." Then Syb has the gall to say it is time for everyone who doesn't agree with him, you or a couple of others to be "silent."

I don't mind criticism, but I'm not going to be silent while I am attacked. I hope that perhaps you can understand that.
 
Oliver Hardy said:
Again, using Morgan as an example, if I say she's stinking up floor if she when she goes up the court 4 or 5 straight times and turns it over (as she did against Tennesse), that is a criticism. It's an opinion based upon observation and/or a fact.
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A fact would be that Morgan only had one turnover in the Tennessee game.
 
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