Denny Announces Moser Staying

SoonerDutch said:
At the end of the day, I think OU will always be under-resourced compared to rivals, especially in the SEC but I think you & other posters are underestimating the gap re basketball and most importantly how greater resources would create an environment where a desirable coach would want to stay at OU for the long-term.

In football (the only true comparison to MBB because of the rev sport status IMO), OU is still allegedly a top 15-20 NIL location on the low end. It’s not A&M or UT or Ohio State but it’s competitive to the rest of the SEC and definitely nationally versus the BIG/Big 12/ACC.

I’ve not read as much about baseball NIL and would concede that OU is still under-resourced (especially relative to the rest of the SEC) but from my basic understanding it sounds like the level of total NIL deployment is much more consistent outside of a few heavy spenders like A&M, UT, LSU, Tenn etc and contracts for elite guys are less overall (the roster is bigger in baseball no doubt, which definitely impacts). Would be interested to read/learn more if others have resources.

Johnson and Venables are also ultimately better coaches than Moser.

Re gymnastics & softball, I don’t think true non revenue sports are a legitimate comparison just given the overall level of NIL deployed to those type of sports by boosters tied to the school. Coaching matters so much more and fortunately OU has that with Gasso and Kindler.
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This is true.

OU shares revenue with athletes in its six most high priority sports: football, men's & women's basketball, baseball, softball, and women's gymnastics.

We have good to great coaches in five of the six. Men's basketball sticks out like a sore thumb.

Again, Roger is playing the long game here. He's 1) at minimum paying lip service to giving Porter the resources he wants so 2) he can either be successful or so Roger can fire him; and 3) make the job look better for another prospective coach.

Unless another school comes in and takes him off our hands, we're stuck with Porter for another year. We didn't want to ride another year out with him, but it is what it is.
 
The more I think about it, the more I think you are on to something ANOTHER SOONER1NTX. Roger Denny may just be passing the problem with men's basketball down the road for a year. Don't want to type enough to explain why I think you are right. But, I think you are right. If Porter gets just enough money to keep what he wants to keep and fills in from the portal, and then doesn't win next year, he can make a move. Denny could just be passing the financial blow to the department by making a change to next year if things don't change. Good catch and I'm betting you are right.
 
AnotherSoonerInTX said:
This is true.

OU shares revenue with athletes in its six most high priority sports: football, men's & women's basketball, baseball, softball, and women's gymnastics.

We have good to great coaches in five of the six. Men's basketball sticks out like a sore thumb.

Again, Roger is playing the long game here. He's 1) at minimum paying lip service to giving Porter the resources he wants so 2) he can either be successful or so Roger can fire him; and 3) make the job look better for another prospective coach.

Unless another school comes in and takes him off our hands, we're stuck with Porter for another year. We didn't want to ride another year out with him, but it is what it is.
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I don’t want to give Denny that much credit because I see so little downside with encouraging Moser to move on but I’d agree that OU is not going to be able to build a long-term sustainable improvement without improving its resource base given the current NIL/portal environment.

Again, I’m at the point where a change has little downside given the fanbases' general apathy. It’s the latest continuation of the past 25 years where the mens’ program has been an afterthought for the administration.
 
I have a lot of random thoughts on OU basketball. Not sure I have all the answers, but I have observations.

Retaining Moser makes business sense given the state of our donor base and the program. That's an unfortunate reality.

Moser's been a sub .500 conference coach his entire coaching career, which is alarming. That is across multiple schools in different eras. Clearly, he's had some success, and that success should not be dismissed. But his record of below-average performance in the conferences he's coached is an indicator his ceiling might be pretty low.

In 22 seasons as a college head coach, Porter's conference record is above .500 only seven times. That means 70% of the time, he's been under .500 in conference play.

Throw him into the BIG 12 or the SEC, and he's competing against the very best college coaches in the game. It's really hard to win at the highest level in college basketball.

OU had a very talented roster this year that was: 1) very good offensively; and 2) very athletic. We can point to the NIL budget, and perhaps that's a valid excuse, but the talent on the floor was there this year. This team was clearly good enough to make a deep run in March, but it took 30 games before they figured out how to defend anybody.

To be good in college basketball, you have to defend. Moser has significantly upgraded his offense over the past two years, but the defense has regressed. That's coaching.
 
SoonerDutch said:
I don’t want to give Denny that much credit because I see so little downside with encouraging Moser to move on but I’d agree that OU is not going to be able to build a long-term sustainable improvement without improving its resource base given the current NIL/portal environment.

Again, I’m at the point where a change has little downside given the fanbases' general apathy. It’s the latest continuation of the past 25 years where the mens’ program has been an afterthought for the administration.
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I'll also say that I wouldn't be surprised if Porter is still looking to get out, and that Roger has encouraged him to explore options.

So many things are a smokescreen at this level. Part of it is PR, not just for Porter but for OU. We need to make ourselves an attractive job for the next coach.
 
AnotherSoonerInTX said:
I'll also say that I wouldn't be surprised if Porter is still looking to get out, and that Roger has encouraged him to explore options.

So many things are a smokescreen at this level. Part of it is PR, not just for Porter but for OU. We need to make ourselves an attractive job for the next coach.
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Yup. If he leaves and we have previously put out that stupid ill-timed statement, it will at least be good in this scenario and should encourage candidates
 
hoopsaustin said:
Yup. If he leaves and we have previously put out that stupid ill-timed statement, it will at least be good in this scenario and should encourage candidates
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Roger is marking his territory. Unlike his predecessor, he is making basketball a priority. As he should, since football is being handled by Nagy & Stephenson.

Roger's statement wasn't as much about the current coach as it was the next coach.
 
OULad said:
Like I said in the other thread, upping the payroll now and waiting on a buyout makes sense if we have to choose between the two. There is not infinite money to go around.
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I would much rather keep NIL what it was this year and get a new coach in here
 
www.on3.com

OU mailbag: Did Roger Denny make the right or wrong decision by keeping Porter Moser?

In this week's OU mailbag, George Stoia answers questions about the men’s basketball program and spring practice.
www.on3.com www.on3.com

Behind a paywall for some, but George answers some questions well. George was in the Fire Porter camp.

EDIT mod .. please do not copy and paste paywalled content ..


the short of it is George is one of us .. would not have brought moser back .. and is going to ask the AD about the underdog comment .
 
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IndySooner said:
This is the dumbest thing I've ever read on this board. Keeping NIL the same would put us even further behind. Would set ANOTHER coach up to fail.
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I mean ideally we do both.

But if you give me the option of keeping NIL the same and paying a buyout of $2.5MM or whatever it is vs keeping moser and upping NIL by $2.5MM, I think it is a no brainer. This all depends on OU hiring the right coach. But I have no doubt that the right coach would have had OU in the tournament this year with the same roster and same spending. This option gets the fans back to the arena and gets excitement growing. Then next year you start increasing NIL and have things rolling for the new arena.

If you choose to up NIL by $2.5MM and keep Moser, the fan interest isn't coming back. We've seen this story before.
 
SoonerBounce13 said:
I mean ideally we do both.

But if you give me the option of keeping NIL the same and paying a buyout of $2.5MM or whatever it is vs keeping moser and upping NIL by $2.5MM, I think it is a no brainer. This all depends on OU hiring the right coach. But I have no doubt that the right coach would have had OU in the tournament this year with the same roster and same spending. This option gets the fans back to the arena and gets excitement growing. Then next year you start increasing NIL and have things rolling for the new arena.

If you choose to up NIL by $2.5MM and keep Moser, the fan interest isn't coming back. We've seen this story before.
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The type of coach ou would be able to hire with bottom barrel NIL commitment would not generate much excitement from this apathetic fanbase. As has been said over and over, if you luck out and find the next Kelvin Sampson, he will leave for a better job sooner than ever in this NIL era.

Now if ou commits to being a top 25 NIL spender in hoops, then ou can lure a bigger name coach and ou can likely retain them.
 
TINY said:
The type of coach ou would be able to hire with bottom barrel NIL commitment would not generate much excitement from this apathetic fanbase. As has been said over and over, if you luck out and find the next Kelvin Sampson, he will leave for a better job sooner than ever in this NIL era.

Now if ou commits to being a top 25 NIL spender in hoops, then ou can lure a bigger name coach and ou can likely retain them.
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Again, we aren't bottom of the barrell. We signed an impressive class last year.
It isn't where it needs to be but it isn't as bad as others say either.

The two things that need to happen are not mutually exclusive. NIL needs to be better and coaching needs to be better.
I think OU can be respectable again with a good coach and the same NIL
I don't think OU can be respectable again with PM and more NIL

We all know he isn't the answer. We have seen it for 5 years. Throwing more money for a bad coach is a bandaid and not a real solution
 
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