Denny Announces Moser Staying

[WichitaSooner]

brent has made the post season all 3 years . had massive injuries in year 3 .. and had a 10 win season .. that is why he didn't get fired ..


moser has NOTHING like that

Not to defend Moser (I know, shocking coming from me lol), but it is darn near impossible not to make the postseason in football at at a program like OU. You get three auto wins a year in the noncon, so you just need to win 3 conference games. I think the only thing that saved Brent was year 2. If he had not sandwiched one decent year between the two 6-7 fiascos, it would have been hard to bring him back for year four, even with the huge buyout.

 

[CoachTalk]

brent has made the post season all 3 years . had massive injuries in year 3 .. and had a 10 win season .. that is why he didn't get fired ..


moser has NOTHING like that

Same concept. Half the fan base wanted him gone before this year. They decided to spend more money on players and coaches.

2 7/6 win seasons.
Post season will n football is guaranteed. We could’ve been nit crown cbi in past years

Cheaper to spend money on players than for him.

Cheaper to buy him 3-4mil more in players than 7-8mil in buyouts. (Assts have them as well)

 

[TINY]

Not to poke the bear here because I know it's a sensitive topic right now, but this is not in any way an apples to apples comparison. BV has been an elite defensive playcaller his ENTIRE career, but had to learn how to manage an entire program. We've seen some of those bumps along the way, but he seems to be settling into his own. Moser has been an average HC for almost his entire career, with one Cinderella run.

He's been fired in his career (by Illinois State) for underperformance, and even in his most successful stop as a HC (Loyola), he had a perfectly .500 in-conference record. We know what Moser is. Could adding some money help bring in some players? Sure. But I think there are a ton of people - with an arsenal of valid reasons - that have no faith Moser will be able to squeeze all of the value out of the money he'd be getting. I mean, if we pour in more money and then finish at 8-10 in conference and a 9 seed next year would that be a success? Is there any reason we shouldn't consistently be off the bubble?

brent has made the post season all 3 years . had massive injuries in year 3 .. and had a 10 win season .. that is why he didn't get fired ..


moser has NOTHING like that

I agree it is not a good comparison, because the OU football job is much easier than the OU basketball job. This is because the money and support is there. There have been 3 different national title coaches at OU for football. 0 national titles ever in basketball.

Also making the postseason in football is much easier than making the ncaa tournament in basketball. You have to be a ~top 35 team to make the NCAA tournament (or win your conference tournament which in the sec means you are probably a top 20 team). There are 36 traditional bowl games plus the playoffs. Way more teams make a bowl than ncaa tournament.

 

[BoulderSooner]

Same concept. Half the fan base wanted him gone before this year. They decided to spend more money on players and coaches.

2 7/6 win seasons.
Post season will n football is guaranteed. We could’ve been nit crown cbi in past years

Cheaper to spend money on players than for him.

Cheaper to buy him 3-4mil more in players than 7-8mil in buyouts. (Assts have them as well)

moser has NEVER approached anything like winning 10 games

 

[BoulderSooner]

I agree it is not a good comparison, because the OU football job is much easier than the OU basketball job. This is because the money and support is there. There have been 3 different national title coaches at OU for football. 0 national titles ever in basketball.

Also making the postseason in football is much easier than making the ncaa tournament in basketball. You have to be a ~top 35 team to make the NCAA tournament (or win your conference tournament which in the sec means you are probably a top 20 team). There are 36 traditional bowl games plus the playoffs. Way more teams make a bowl than ncaa tournament.

the 10 win season is the biggest part

 

[daqman]

I agree it is not a good comparison, because the OU football job is much easier than the OU basketball job. This is because the money and support is there. There have been 3 different national title coaches at OU for football. 0 national titles ever in basketball.

Also making the postseason in football is much easier than making the ncaa tournament in basketball. You have to be a ~top 35 team to make the NCAA tournament (or win your conference tournament which in the sec means you are probably a top 20 team). There are 36 traditional bowl games plus the playoffs. Way more teams make a bowl than ncaa tournament.

it's pretty damn easy to make the ncaa tournament at ou.
moser literally needed to win just 1 ...maybe 2 more games this season and he couldn't pull it off.

 

[BoulderSooner]

it's pretty damn easy to make the ncaa tournament at ou.
moser literally needed to win just 1 ...maybe 2 more games this season and he couldn't pull it off.

exactly right and with out the miracle gift of Fears 19 months ago he would be 0-5

 

[cbertus6]

I agree it is not a good comparison, because the OU football job is much easier than the OU basketball job. This is because the money and support is there. There have been 3 different national title coaches at OU for football. 0 national titles ever in basketball.

Also making the postseason in football is much easier than making the ncaa tournament in basketball. You have to be a ~top 35 team to make the NCAA tournament (or win your conference tournament which in the sec means you are probably a top 20 team). There are 36 traditional bowl games plus the playoffs. Way more teams make a bowl than ncaa tournament.

Uh... you know what else is there? The expectations. In what world would it be acceptable for OU to go 4 out of 5 years without making the playoff in football (which is much more difficult than qualifying for March Madness)? The football job places the weight of the world on the shoulders of those at the top. And while I don't disagree on making a postseason bowl in football being easier than making the tourney in basketball, making the tourney also isn't difficult. I mean, 20% of the entire sport gets into the NCAA tournament.

The level we keep reaching here to defend Moser's inability to meet basic requirements is becoming a bit frightening. No one that is defending him is able to point to any hard evidence from his time here or elsewhere to support that things will get better other than "we need more support". Do you think places like Utah State, Santa Clara, Saint Louis, VCU, South Florida, or New Mexico have more resources than we do? There are definitely teams and coaches out there doing more with less. The argument isn't that we SHOULDN'T put more money into the program, it's that Moser shouldn't be the one at the top to oversee things.

 

[cbertus6]

Same concept. Half the fan base wanted him gone before this year. They decided to spend more money on players and coaches.

2 7/6 win seasons.
Post season will n football is guaranteed. We could’ve been nit crown cbi in past years

Cheaper to spend money on players than for him.

Cheaper to buy him 3-4mil more in players than 7-8mil in buyouts. (Assts have them as well)

It may be cheaper (haven't looked at the numbers myself to know either way), but that doesn't matter if revenue falls off a cliff. The margin still won't be there. And I don't think it was added resources that caused the turnaround, it was Venables correcting for a bad OC hire and losing a bet on a 5 star QB he'd gone in on. The offense this year wasn't great, but even getting back to average took them from 6-6 to 10-2.

 

[BoulderSooner]

It may be cheaper (haven't looked at the numbers myself to know either way), but that doesn't matter if revenue falls off a cliff. The margin still won't be there. And I don't think it was added resources that caused the turnaround, it was Venables correcting for a bad OC hire and losing a bet on a 5 star QB he'd gone in on. The offense this year wasn't great, but even getting back to average took them from 6-6 to 10-2.

it was also OU not having massive injuries

 

[WTSooner]

brent has made the post season all 3 years . had massive injuries in year 3 .. and had a 10 win season .. that is why he didn't get fired ..


moser has NOTHING like that

Brent also has a better resume. Not as a HC, but I think it has always been easy to see what BV succeeding at OU looks like.

Moser has been a HC for 22 seasons. He's finished above .500 in conference play exactly 7 times. Three of those were his first three years. So 4 times in his last 19 seasons.

There isn't a coach in the history of college basketball that has finished under .500 in conference play at that rate that is referred to as a good coach. Not one.

 

[WTSooner]

Same concept. Half the fan base wanted him gone before this year. They decided to spend more money on players and coaches.

2 7/6 win seasons.
Post season will n football is guaranteed. We could’ve been nit crown cbi in past years

Cheaper to spend money on players than for him.

Cheaper to buy him 3-4mil more in players than 7-8mil in buyouts. (Assts have them as well)

I don't think OU has drastically changed their resources in football the last year or two. They changed it a lot when BV took over. NIL probably increased, but that was more of them waiting to see how NIL and the current environment was going to play out rather than a reaction to some poor seasons by OU standards.

Regardless of the spend, BV is a perfect example of a guy that isn't going to need top of the line resources and NIL to be successful. He's a culture guy, and a developer. That is what OU has in other sports. That description fits for baseball. It's probably fits for women's basketball. It used to fit for softball. That needs to be the model for men's basketball too. We need a developer. Somebody players want to play for. Somebody with a plan. Somebody that doesn't always look like a high-strung mess (both his coaching and his players' play).

 

[WTSooner]

There isn't a coach in the history of college basketball that has finished under .500 in conference play at that rate that is referred to as a good coach. Not one.

Sorry. I guess if some around here, and Calipari, and some folks Denny talked to are to be believed, Moser is the only one.

Apologies for misspeaking.

 

[Sooner04]

The amount of excuse-making for Moser just floors me. It's a testament to how far this program has been allowed to fall.

 

[daqman]

The amount of excuse-making for Moser just floors me. It's a testament to how far this program has been allowed to fall.

i think it's a relatively small number of delusional posters.
seems more than it really is.

 

[mict085]

The excuse making for a failed coach is getting really ridiculous. Comparing moser to BV is like comparing capel to bob stoops. Get outta here with that crap.

BV is an elite defensive coach and has been a part of numerous national title teams. He took over an OU program in major transition and he’s making great progress. He’s won 10 games twice and made the postseason every year and made the playoffs. He has transformed the program from a joke with good offense to a contender built on defense, the Oklahoma standard. We are moving forward to title contention in football.

Moser had one magical season and hasn’t done **** since. He’s not come close to any championship and has only made one post season in 5 years. I can’t say that OU basketball is moving forward at all. We are stuck in loserville. The comparison is a freaking joke and insulting.

 

[Boom Soon]

i think it's a relatively small number of delusional posters.
seems more than it really is.

Yeah there’s like three Moser apologists left.

 

[hoopsaustin]

The excuse making for a failed coach is getting really ridiculous. Comparing moser to BV is like comparing capel to bob stoops. Get outta here with that crap.

BV is an elite defensive coach and has been a part of numerous national title teams. He took over an OU program in major transition and he’s making great progress. He’s won 10 games twice and made the postseason every year and made the playoffs. He has transformed the program from a joke with good offense to a contender built on defense, the Oklahoma standard. We are moving forward to title contention in football.

Moser had one magical season and hasn’t done **** since. He’s not come close to any championship and has only made one post season in 5 years. I can’t say that OU basketball is moving forward at all. We are stuck in loserville. The comparison is a freaking joke and insulting.

We arent stuck. We are actively getting worse. We almost tied the program's longest losing streak this year at 9 games, stopping just shy of the all-time record of 10 games which was in 1963-64 (prolly half of the board wasn't even alive then).

I will not be surprised if we have a worse season next year despite any NIL increase. We will see

 

[daqman]

We arent stuck. We are actively getting worse. We almost tied the program's longest losing streak this year at 9 games, stopping just shy of the all-time record of 10 games which was in 1963-64 (prolly half of the board wasn't even alive then).

I will not be surprised if we have a worse season next year despite any NIL increase. We will see

unless moser can somehow get 2 future nba all stars....i expect the same or worse.
and even if he does....we're probably looking at an 8 seed at best.

 

[Sooner04]

We arent stuck. We are actively getting worse. We almost tied the program's longest losing streak this year at 9 games, stopping just shy of the all-time record of 10 games which was in 1963-64 (prolly half of the board wasn't even alive then)

I just did a brief bit of research:
We lost our last nine games of the 2010 season. We lost eight in a row at the tail end of the 2011 campaign.

It took a three-pointer at the horn in Stillwater and a massive comeback against Cincy to prevent losing our last eight in 2024. Then, with the lottery pick that fell into our lap, we had a stretch last year where we lost 12 of 16. THIS year, we have a stretch where we lose 11 of 13.

And we reward this buffoonery with a vote of confidence simply because no donor was willing to step up and write a check. A galvanizing, miracle run to the QUARTERfinals and we are all systems go. So disheartening.