Either you're for Capel or you aren't

[colston15]

I'm so tired of reading these multi-page threads that contain a million different arguments that all revolve around the same disagreement-- either you want Capel gone or you want him to stay. Period.

You can talk defense, offense, recruiting, etc., etc. It all comes full circle. None of the discussions are productive.

 

[Big Old Booger]

I'm so tired of reading these multi-page threads that contain a million different arguments that all revolve around the same disagreement-- either you want Capel gone or you want him to stay. Period.

You can talk defense, offense, recruiting, etc., etc. It all comes full circle. None of the discussions are productive.

I'm for the sooners. Wouldn't care if Putin was the head coach as long as they win and represent the school and state with class.

 

[StoopsBros]

Sooners for Putin!

 

[WaymanFan]

I'm so tired of reading these multi-page threads that contain a million different arguments that all revolve around the same disagreement-- either you want Capel gone or you want him to stay. Period.

You can talk defense, offense, recruiting, etc., etc. It all comes full circle. None of the discussions are productive.

Believe it or not, if Jeff is still head coach next year, there won't be as many opinions on him staying or going as you might think. People like me who would like him to stay for next year, aren't going to continue supporting him unless the team makes DRAMATIC strides next season. If we're anywhere close to .500 next season, I'm all for letting him go, and I doubt you'd find too many Jeff Capel supporters who feel otherwise.

 

[Sooner_In_MI]

I'll try to sum up my thoughts as quickly as possible:

1) Keep him UNLESS the team finishes on a 10 game losing streak.
2) If he is here next year, the team MUST win at least 20 games for me to continue supporting him.
3) The year after that, the team MUST make the NCAA tournament.

 

[StoopsBros]

Simple - GO!

 

[Romulus]

I'll try to sum up my thoughts as quickly as possible:

1) Keep him UNLESS the team finishes on a 10 game losing streak.
2) If he is here next year, the team MUST win at least 20 games for me to continue supporting him.
3) The year after that, the team MUST make the NCAA tournament.

So you are willing to wait two more years to not make the tournament?

 

[Sooner_In_MI]

So you are willing to wait two more years to not make the tournament?

Yes. We made our decision for the near future when we didn't fire him after the disaster that was last season. At this point, I think you have to give him a fair shake at rebuilding. If we finish around .500 next year, then yes, let him go. But if we get 20 wins next year, that means we either made the tourney or made a fairly deep run in the NIT, and we'll be set up to do some big time damage in 2012-13 with Blair, Fitz, Pledge, and Osby as seniors, Clark and Neal as juniors, and hopefully having Cezar as well.

 

[Sooner Tyra]

If Capel was to get fired we def would miss out on Cezar and jurick. Possibly have guys like Fitz, Pledger, Clark, and Newell Transfer while they still have time. The 2012 class looks like it could be a great class and really put us back on top along with the young undeveloped talent on this team. I just think firing Capel would do more harm than good for the next few years.

 

[NickZepp]

If Capel was to get fired we def would miss out on Cezar and jurick. Possibly have guys like Fitz, Pledger, Clark, and Newell Transfer while they still have time. The 2012 class looks like it could be a great class and really put us back on top along with the young undeveloped talent on this team. I just think firing Capel would do more harm than good for the next few years.

Look I like Capel he seems like a good guy. I'm not sure he can coach still. But his recruiting history is abysmal at best. We still lack guards and we lose arguably our best guard in Cade Davis this year. And nobody has really shown signs of taking over his points. Pledge will probably put in his 10-12 points but can anyone else really add that at guard next year? Even if we get a Ceser it's probably about the same numbers we get this year without the turnovers.

I'm not sure firing Capel now or the end of next year when we don't get into the NCAA Tournament makes much a difference. I don't see Capel sticking around if we have another year like this one because the attendance is already abysmal.

Our recruiting this year is a 6-9 center that's put up similar numbers to Nick Thompson at his JUCO. And nobody hyped up Thompson. And Osby who sounds really athletic. Looks like he can be good. The problem is we still have issues at guard, and won't have anyone on the team that big still.

If Osby ends up starting at the 4 we basically have the same type problems we had this year. Not enough size, problems at guard. That's not an NCAA Tournament team nor is it an NIT team.

The only way we make post season next year is if we have a softball schedule and only lose about 1 out of conference game and find a way to eek out 5 or 6 conference wins. Even that will be close to not making the NIT. And the NIT isn't our standards at OU and it shouldn't be. NIT should be a disappointing season at OU, instead of one of the better seasons Capel will have had.

I'm honestly torn about keeping Capel. I think he's a good guy, I think he seems to be a smart guy, but honestly with his system and his recruiting history at OU. I don't see anyway we progress to being at the level we should be at OU. And so I guess I have to be on the side of "Go" with him. It's gotta come down to the attendance. Fact is if we put out this level of ball even if it's a little better brand of this ball that's not enough to bring fans to the games. And that's what it all comes down to. I think there's a chance a year from now even if we had 14 or 15 wins around this time we are talking about less than 2k seats for most of the games.

 

[Sooner Tyra]

Honestly My decision on this subject depends on if he can get a commitment from Cezar. Here is my reasoning, He brings in OSBY and Cezar two guys who can be go to guys which we lacked this year and adds a low post guy with some ability to rebound and block shots in Goff, we really need this and he doesnt even need to score. I think next year really depends on one go to guy to take over at the guard position and Cezar is the only guy out there he is a cannot miss.

 

[jerry]

I'm for the sooners. Wouldn't care if Putin was the head coach as long as they win and represent the school and state with class.

Not sure about Putin, but I agree. I think everyone is for the Sooners, but the argument is Capel. I voted GO.

 

[Big Old Booger]

Honestly My decision on this subject depends on if he can get a commitment from Cezar. Here is my reasoning, He brings in OSBY and Cezar two guys who can be go to guys which we lacked this year and adds a low post guy with some ability to rebound and block shots in Goff, we really need this and he doesnt even need to score. I think next year really depends on one go to guy to take over at the guard position and Cezar is the only guy out there he is a cannot miss.

Is Cezar a PG or a 2G? Seems like you want your PG to distribute and then knockdown the open jumper once everybody is involved, not take over. But, maybe I am old school...

TMG took over last year and we still lost. That team had Tiny, who was probably as talented as Osbyand you saw the results.

I guess I'm trying to say you make it sound like Cezar is the savior next year and I'm not ready to buy it.

Plus, Cezar will be a frosh, so when is the last time OU had a frosh besides Wayman and BG who came in and took over as it sounds like you expect? Is Cezar better than Hollis? His frosh year was very productive but it wasn't good enough to lead us to the NCAA without Nolan, Ed, and others.

 

[campbest]

You can talk defense, offense, recruiting, etc., etc. It all comes full circle. None of the discussions are productive.

Yeah...who wants to talk basketball strategy, what a stupid idea.

 

[MsProudSooner]

I want what is best for the OU Men's bb program. I think that allowing him to try to rebuild the talent base on campus is best for the program. Obviously, you don't allow it to go on much longer if the w/l record is bad. I also think having him stay until the NCAA/Tiny Gallon situation is resolved is a wise move. The chances of hiring a qualify coach with that hanging over our heads are slim and none. It's not a simple Stay or Go situation.

 

[soonerbms]

Against him 100%!

 

[Big Old Booger]

I want what is best for the OU Men's bb program. I think that allowing him to try to rebuild the talent base on campus is best for the program. Obviously, you don't allow it to go on much longer if the w/l record is bad. I also think having him stay until the NCAA/Tiny Gallon situation is resolved is a wise move. The chances of hiring a qualify coach with that hanging over our heads are slim and none. It's not a simple Stay or Go situation.

From what my sources tell me, and they are pretty good sources, nothing is going to happen regarding the Tiny situation with the NCAA. Once the university was made aware of the situation, the asst coach was fired and eventually Tiny declared for the NBA.

Any punishment they give could not be worse than what we are living right now, unless they gave us the death penalty which it almost seems that we have considering where we were 5 years ago. Because of this, I think people in the know at OU have a really good idea nothing is going to happen and if Capel were fired, they would be able to convince the next coach of this.

 

[MsProudSooner]

From what my sources tell me, and they are pretty good sources, nothing is going to happen regarding the Tiny situation with the NCAA. Once the university was made aware of the situation, the asst coach was fired and eventually Tiny declared for the NBA.

Any punishment they give could not be worse than what we are living right now, unless they gave us the death penalty which it almost seems that we have considering where we were 5 years ago. Because of this, I think people in the know at OU have a really good idea nothing is going to happen and if Capel were fired, they would be able to convince the next coach of this.

Does the NCAA announce when they aren't going to do anything? I seems that they should announce when an issue has been resolved, one way or another, but that might be a tad bit too logical for the NCAA.

 

[Big Old Booger]

Does the NCAA announce when they aren't going to do anything? I seems that they should announce when an issue has been resolved, one way or another, but that might be a tad bit too logical for the NCAA.

I don't know. Did they ever announce they were officially investigating? Or were they just snooping around to find out what was happening?

In the past, we always knew when the NCAA opened an investigation, like vs Sampson with the phone calls or Switzer back in 87/88. I don't remember a formal investigation actually starting with the Tiny ordeal.

But, then again, I can't recall in which threads I am posting these days, so maybe I forgot. :ez-laugh:

 

[DenverSooner]

If Capel was to get fired we def would miss out on Cezar and jurick. Possibly have guys like Fitz, Pledger, Clark, and Newell Transfer while they still have time. The 2012 class looks like it could be a great class and really put us back on top along with the young undeveloped talent on this team. I just think firing Capel would do more harm than good for the next few years.

This is what I think. I am not sold on Capel but I think it is in the programs best interest to give him one more year. Plus he outperformed what I expected for the season. People can act like predicting 0 wins was ridiculous but it wasn't. Every team OU has beaten had reasons they could have and should have won. CU had a substantially better backcourt. ISU was a road game. Tech has more experience. Baylor simply should not have lost to OU.