ESPN's Way Too Early Top 25

KU #4
WVU #15
ISU #22

Top of the Big 12 won't be as good but bottom won't be as bad. More balanced. KU the easy pick to win unless Devin Williams decides to come back.


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Not possible. Don't you know both TT and KSU will be better than us next season?
 
How is UNC ranked 6th? They have Berry, Hicks, Meeks, Jackson, and Pinson coming back(as of right now).
S'cuse at #17? Richardson, Roberson, Coleman, and Lydon returning.
UCLA at #24 with everyone coming back.

I hope they are right about OU. They mentioned us being like Wisconsin next year. I could see that. Struggle early on and then finish strong.
 
Texas Tech returns 4 starters who were all sophomores last year, and have been starting together for 2 years. Gray, Evans, Odiase, and Smith. They have the best overall athlete in the Big 12 (Zach Smith), but they have some shooting problems. They need to bring in some gunners in their recruiting class.

They should be more than solid. Guys who have been starting together for 3 years are dangerous.

K-State should also be very solid. Barry Brown, Kamau Stokes, Dean Wade... they were pretty darn competitive with a bunch of freshman. They will be tough.
 
thebigabd said:
Texas Tech returns 4 starters who were all sophomores last year, and have been starting together for 2 years. Gray, Evans, Odiase, and Smith. They have the best overall athlete in the Big 12 (Zach Smith), but they have some shooting problems. They need to bring in some gunners in their recruiting class.



They should be more than solid. Guys who have been starting together for 3 years are dangerous.



K-State should also be very solid. Barry Brown, Kamau Stokes, Dean Wade... they were pretty darn competitive with a bunch of freshman. They will be tough.
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I look at it this way, generally speaking...

KU will be KU...top 5 & National Tile contender.

WVU will see a decline...Williams, Paige, and Holton were difference makers but top 15-25 based on returnees and culture.

OU will take a step back...Hield, Cousins, and Spangler were difference makers but culture and talent keep them in the top 20-30 nationally and possibly set up another special run in 2017-18.

ut should at least match this season's results...good young talent but the strength of this year's team (bigs) is gone. This is assuming Taylor returns but I see top 20-30 and quite run coming after next year.

Baylor will take a step back...they lose mainstays in Gathers, Prince, and Medford. Motley has a chance to be special. Based on past history, Drew will have them in the middle of the Big 12 and in the tourney.

Iowa State is due for decline...a lack of size and skill inside and no commitment to stopping other teams finally will catch up with them. A recruiting philosophy based on essentially other teams cast offs is not a recruiting philosophy. Morris and Burton are special but I think they miss the tournament.

Texas Tech should be better...I don't see any real difference makers on their team but I like their roster and Smith is building them the right way. I can definitely see a potential top half finish in conference and a tourney invite.

Kansas State should also improve...I really like their young core and there is a good mix of veterans. I definitely see a tourney bid for the Wildcats.

The bottom dwellers...should both be better with huge upgrades to their respective coaching staffs. However I don't see enough talent on either roster to make even one good basketball team. Possible NIT teams, maybe...

I see the Big 12 as a 6-7 NCAA bid league but with 8-9 teams playing in the postseason. Past KU, no other top teams but a deeper league is very possible.
 
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Good pub!

I was wrong about the preseason ranking. Certainly appears we'll be top 25.

I still think it's too much based off potential. We lost 50 ppg!
 
oudna said:
Good pub!

I was wrong about the preseason ranking. Certainly appears we'll be top 25.

I still think it's too much based off potential. We lost 50 ppg!
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Luckily for us, youre wrong like 90% of the time
 
KBaden145 said:
I look at it this way, generally speaking...

KU will be KU...top 5 & National Tile contender.

WVU will see a decline...Williams, Paige, and Holton were difference makers but top 15-25 based on returnees and culture.

OU will take a step back...Hield, Cousins, and Spangler were difference makers but culture and talent keep them in the top 20-30 nationally and possibly set up another special run in 2017-18.

ut should at least match this season's results...good young talent but the strength of this year's team (bigs) is gone. This is assuming Taylor returns but I see top 20-30 and quite run coming after next year.

Baylor will take a step back...they lose mainstays in Gathers, Prince, and Medford. Motley has a chance to be special. Based on past history, Drew will have them in the middle of the Big 12 and in the tourney.

Iowa State is due for decline...a lack of size and skill inside and no commitment to stopping other teams finally will catch up with them. A recruiting philosophy based on essentially other teams cast offs is not a recruiting philosophy. Morris and Burton are special but I think they miss the tournament.

Texas Tech should be better...I don't see any real difference makers on their team but I like their roster and Smith is building them the right way. I can definitely see a potential top half finish in conference and a tourney invite.

Kansas State should also improve...I really like their young core and there is a good mix of veterans. I definitely see a tourney bid for the Wildcats.

The bottom dwellers...should both be better with huge upgrades to their respective coaching staffs. However I don't see enough talent on either roster to make even one good basketball team. Possible NIT teams, maybe...

I see the Big 12 as a 6-7 NCAA bid league but with 8-9 teams playing in the postseason. Past KU, no other top teams but a deeper league is very possible.
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Agree with most of this but disagree about Burton at ISU being "special". Maybe offensively but he was arguably the worst defender in the entire conference and he gave up just as many as he scored. And ISU's recruiting or lack thereof will start to rear its head next year and be fully exposed in two.
 
Iowa State is due for decline...a lack of size and skill inside and no commitment to stopping other teams finally will catch up with them. A recruiting philosophy based on essentially other teams cast offs is not a recruiting philosophy. Morris and Burton are special but I think they miss the tournament.
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I know that seemed to be Hoiburg's philosophy. Does the new coach continue with that philosophy?
 
152219 said:
Agree with most of this but disagree about Burton at ISU being "special". Maybe offensively but he was arguably the worst defender in the entire conference and he gave up just as many as he scored. And ISU's recruiting or lack thereof will start to rear its head next year and be fully exposed in two.
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As far as Burton goes, I was talking about him being 'special' offensively. I don't consider anybody for Iowa state a good defender, including Morris. I believe their decline started in Hoiberg's last season. I just don't see how they can sustain their recent success in this fashion.
 
KBaden145 said:
As far as Burton goes, I was talking about him being 'special' offensively. I don't consider anybody for Iowa state a good defender, including Morris. I believe their decline started in Hoiberg's last season. I just don't see how they can sustain their recent success in this fashion.
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Morris at least tries defensively from time to time, unlike Burton. If you look at Kenpom's defensive efficiency stats, ISU has been pretty mediocre defensively for some time. I think their best defense with Hoiberg was in the 50s
 
Depends on if Morris goes pro as well. I think he stays but there is a chance he leaves.
 
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