Fire Porter Moser

[hoopsaustin]

Fire the coach mid season for losing a couple SEC games, only 4 games into conference play, -- some of you guys just kill me. That is so wrong and irresponsible as to be hard to believe you would post it. Quit on a team, and they will quit on you. You don't have to like Moser, or think he is a good coach, but he has never had an OU team quit on him. This won't either unless the University quits on them. BTW, firing Moser means a lot of good people lose their jobs. Knowing they won't be here, they will certainly mail it in. If after the season, they need to move on, then so be it.

As far as this season goes, I was encouraged by the Bama game. I think we are going in the right direction with this team. Playing too many kids, and with many of them missing their defensive assignments. As practice demonstrates Atak or whoever, is picking things up and willing to play better defense incorporate them back into the lineup. This approach did have us playing better defense against a great offensive team in Bama.

JMO, but I don't see the merit or reason to change coaches until and unless we get a new stadium. At this point, we are getting about the best team we can expect from a coach that makes about $3mil and a roster we are spending about $6mil on. A new coach might help, if you got the right one, but unless you are prepared to spend about $10mil for an established coach and around $15mil on NIL, you are really going to change our trajectory. Since the TV money is the same regardless of what you spend, and you guys are kidding yourselves to think you are going to significantly increase gate revenue, then why spend the money. We maximize profitability of the program (and that isn't saying much) spending what we do now.

As I have said on here several times, I'm not a big supporter of Moser nor think he is a great coach. He is a good coach with, IMO, flaws. There are plenty of coaches I would rather have. But, I want the University to be fiscally sound. With the current situation we find our selves in, i.e. free agency yearly, NIL spiraling out of control, coaches salaries spiraling out of control, declining attendance for several reasons, not just our record and the opponents we play at home, and an extremely poor stadium that makes it punishing to watch a game in person. I am surprised we spend the money we do on basketball. We might have the best we can hope for on the budget we are trying to live within.

If some of you can come up with a solution, and also explain what you think it will cost, and how we can afford it and still stay within our current budget, I am all ears. Otherwise, you are jousting with windmills.

You are crazy imo calling Loser a "good coach". Based on what?

We just completely disagree about the situation. I think plenty of other coaches could actually win more games with even LESS NIL than Loser is getting. Talent is not the issue. This team has plenty of talent to win. Loser does not push them, does not make them better, and does not put forward a winning system.

I don't want to fire him mid-season, I want him fully responsible for what he's created. Dream scenario is that his agent somehow works out a deal with some podunk small school (dangit, DePaul is actually doing decently...) and we part ways mutually

 

[hoopsaustin]

I’ve seen enough. Get him out of town ASAP. He’s terrible. I was not the least bit encouraged by the Bama loss and his bad decisions.

Encouraged by losses is WILD. OSU sort of mentality. Are we that bad off??

 

[pnkranger]

We know how this is going to go:

Porter's on the hot seat. We win 3 of next 4 against bad teams. Hope is restored for a tournament season, but were all wary about what happens next.

We lose 3 of the next 4 (UK, Vandy, Georgia, Tenn). Now we're 5-8 with 5 winnable games and the SEC tournament in front of us. Every chance in the world to finish with a winning streak to get .500 or better in conference. We get a few but fall apart on the road at LSU and UT. Finish 7-11 or 8-10.

Win against a shitty team in the first round of the SEC tournament before getting run off the floor in game 2. Listen to Porter talk for a week about how tough this league is.

Miss the tournament (first four out) or, even, barely squeeze in to the play-in game. Lose the first game and listen to an offseason full of NIL talk.

Our team this year is good enough to make the tournament and offensively good enough to be a thorn in some sides in the post-season. We need better coaching, period.

 

[daqman]

You are crazy imo calling Loser a "good coach". Based on what?

We just completely disagree about the situation. I think plenty of other coaches could actually win more games with even LESS NIL than Loser is getting. Talent is not the issue. This team has plenty of talent to win. Loser does not push them, does not make them better, and does not put forward a winning system.

I don't want to fire him mid-season, I want him fully responsible for what he's created. Dream scenario is that his agent somehow works out a deal with some podunk small school (dangit, DePaul is actually doing decently...) and we part ways mutually

he also said it's "punishing" for fans to watch a game in lloyd noble.
won't waste my time reading his future posts

 

[daqman]

We know how this is going to go:

Porter's on the hot seat. We win 3 of next 4 against bad teams. Hope is restored for a tournament season, but were all wary about what happens next.

We lose 3 of the next 4 (UK, Vandy, Georgia, Tenn). Now we're 5-8 with 5 winnable games and the SEC tournament in front of us. Every chance in the world to finish with a winning streak to get .500 or better in conference. We get a few but fall apart on the road at LSU and UT. Finish 7-11 or 8-10.

Win against a shitty team in the first round of the SEC tournament before getting run off the floor in game 2. Listen to Porter talk for a week about how tough this league is.

Miss the tournament (first four out) or, even, barely squeeze in to the play-in game. Lose the first game and listen to an offseason full of NIL talk.

Our team this year is good enough to make the tournament and offensively good enough to be a thorn in some sides in the post-season. We need better coaching, period.

texas and arkansas are not bad teams.
i would not bet on winning 3 of the next 4.
2 road games...easily lost
2 home games against better teams. ...far from sure wins.

 

[steverocks35]

Encouraged by losses is WILD. OSU sort of mentality. Are we that bad off??

I’m just sick and tired of all the excuses. I’ve been done with him for a couple of years but EVERYONE has pointed out that this his most talented team. And he STILL can’t get it done. It’s not NIL, it’s not the arena, it’s not the fans. It’s the head coach who is stealing millions.

 

[steverocks35]

We know how this is going to go:

Porter's on the hot seat. We win 3 of next 4 against bad teams. Hope is restored for a tournament season, but were all wary about what happens next.

We lose 3 of the next 4 (UK, Vandy, Georgia, Tenn). Now we're 5-8 with 5 winnable games and the SEC tournament in front of us. Every chance in the world to finish with a winning streak to get .500 or better in conference. We get a few but fall apart on the road at LSU and UT. Finish 7-11 or 8-10.

Win against a shitty team in the first round of the SEC tournament before getting run off the floor in game 2. Listen to Porter talk for a week about how tough this league is.

Miss the tournament (first four out) or, even, barely squeeze in to the play-in game. Lose the first game and listen to an offseason full of NIL talk.

Our team this year is good enough to make the tournament and offensively good enough to be a thorn in some sides in the post-season. We need better coaching, period.

I’m not all that confident that we’ll beat South Carolina. I know we should, but knowing Moser… it would not surprise me if he finds a way to lose. Maybe he’ll play Mo at point guard or sit Pack out the second half.

 

[daqman]

I’m just sick and tired of all the excuses. I’ve been done with him for a couple of years but EVERYONE has pointed out that this his most talented team. And he STILL can’t get it done. It’s not NIL, it’s not the arena, it’s not the fans. It’s the head coach who is stealing millions.

i have to think a completely full/loud arena would provide the team a home court advantage. maybe enough to have beat bama.
has to be deflating for the players when they come out and see the home "crowd". i'm sure it sucks the energy out of the arena.
but i don't blame the fans for not showing up. and it's sad the players have to suffer because of what moser has done to the program.
and that's why he has to be fired asap. the program is in a doom spiral that will just continue until he's replaced.

 

[steverocks35]

i have to think a completely full/loud arena would provide the team a home court advantage. maybe enough to have beat bama.
has to be deflating for the players when they come out and see the home "crowd". i'm sure it sucks the energy out of the arena.
but i don't blame the fans for not showing up. and it's sad the players have to suffer because of what moser has done to the program.

Well he’s lost plenty of games with a good home crowd.

 

[daqman]

Well he’s lost plenty of games with a good home crowd.

yes...with a "good" crowd.
when was the last time every seat was filled?
i experienced what a "good" crowd did for a decent team against a highly ranked houston team a couple years ago.
energy from the crowd helps a team. it's undeniable.
we need a new coach that will bring new hope.....and hopefully bigger crowds with more energy.
and hopefully the new coach doesn't choke and start a whole new doom spiral.

 

[pnkranger]

texas and arkansas are not bad teams.
i would not bet on winning 3 of the next 4.
2 road games...easily lost
2 home games against better teams. ...far from sure wins.

My prediction has nothing to do with anything other than our performance the last 5 years. When we're on the mat, he picks us up just far enough to give us hope, and then back to the ground. Pure inconsistency. #culturewall

 

[WTSooner]

We really don't have anything to lose by pulling the trigger now.
I get the sense that the players don't trust Moser at all.
Let an assistant take over...it can't be worse on teh court and it might help the vibe in the lockerroom

Nothing to gain either. I'm no Moser fan, but there is no reason not to let him finish the season.

 

[SunshinePumper]

texas and arkansas are not bad teams.
i would not bet on winning 3 of the next 4.
2 road games...easily lost
2 home games against better teams. ...far from sure wins.

We win 1-2 games on the road a year - would need to go 4-5 on the road (4-3 to finish) just to have a chance to come close to .500 in league play. Shocking

 

[WichitaSooner]

This team is going to end up much closer to his second team from a record standpoint. We are absolutely cooked. And yes, the team has quit on him. They have not played hard defensively all season. That crappy effort started even before we started losing to teams we should beat. Don’t get confused based on the occasional game we keep close against a good team.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Nothing to gain either. I'm no Moser fan, but there is no reason not to let him finish the season.

I disagree. There is gain

 

[Eielson]

A younger coach that didn't have a 17 season resume as a HC that outside of a couple of seasons, was VERY underwhelming?

Yes.

So ignore the successful coaching stop that they've been at for 10 years, and instead focus on what happened 20 years ago. Got it.

 

[Eielson]

It's really easy to predict the success of a coaching stop after it has already happened.

 

[WichitaSooner]

You are crazy imo calling Loser a "good coach". Based on what?

We just completely disagree about the situation. I think plenty of other coaches could actually win more games with even LESS NIL than Loser is getting. Talent is not the issue. This team has plenty of talent to win. Loser does not push them, does not make them better, and does not put forward a winning system.

I don't want to fire him mid-season, I want him fully responsible for what he's created. Dream scenario is that his agent somehow works out a deal with some podunk small school (dangit, DePaul is actually doing decently...) and we part ways mutually

He is entitled to his opinion but it’s so annoying that he plays this same angle every season. No, we don’t want to fire him “for losing a couple SEC games.” We want to fire him for 160 games of incompetence and coaching like a complete buffoon.

 

[WichitaSooner]

I think the debate about firing him now is largely academic because even though I’m fully in favor and driving that bandwagon, it’s very unlikely to happen. The reason I favor it is because I do think there is something to gain, even if it’s intangible. I don’t think an interim coach would spark a turnaround. And we are so far from the bubble that the tourney is not reasonable. But I think the benefit is that it would show the small number of fans who still care about the program that the administration knows this isn’t acceptable and that they aren’t going to look the other way for even another few weeks. And maybe a slightly more tangible benefit is it gives you a head start on whichever other schools end up looking for a coach after the season. The lame duck status of Joe C obviously complicates that, I realize.

Bottom line, watching this tool coach is death by a thousand paper cuts. Those of us who watch every minute of every game shouldn’t be forced to endure it for another 13 regular season games and an obligatory Wednesday loss in the conference tournament. But again, I know it won’t happen. I am just venting about what I think should happen.

 

[austing7]

I think the debate about firing him now is largely academic because even though I’m fully in favor and driving that bandwagon, it’s very unlikely to happen. The reason I favor it is because I do think there is something to gain, even if it’s intangible. I don’t think an interim coach would spark a turnaround. And we are so far from the bubble that the tourney is not reasonable. But I think the benefit is that it would show the small number of fans who still care about the program that the administration knows this isn’t acceptable and that they aren’t going to look the other way for even another few weeks. And maybe a slightly more tangible benefit is it gives you a head start on whichever other schools end up looking for a coach after the season. The lame duck status of Joe C obviously complicates that, I realize.

Bottom line, watching this tool coach is death by a thousand paper cuts. Those of us who watch every minute of every game shouldn’t be forced to endure it for another 13 regular season games and an obligatory Wednesday loss in the conference tournament. But again, I know it won’t happen. I am just venting about what I think should happen.

If we lose to South Carolina, I say that we fire him the next day. Like you said prove to the fanbase, that we understand this isn't the direction we want this program to go.