Fire Porter Moser

[SoonerBounce13]

I have moved past the Moser should or should be fired issue. Don't really think it would be right

what would he have to do to get deservedly fired in your mind?

 

[Eielson]

I mean, feel free to post your track record of success if you'd like.

This is one of the more impressively pathetic attempts at a dick measuring contest.

 

[Eielson]

We were never down $100 million. We took a hit but it was offset by receiving partial shares in the SEC. Regardless, we have the money to fire moser and hire a new staff. NIL is the wildcard.

Probably not 100M. It seems 40-50M is more realistically the number. But whether it was 50M or even 20M, we have a lot less money at our disposal. If a coach makes the tourney, that seems an easy way to save money.

Huge if, but money has to come from somewhere.

 

[MJSooner]

So? Is OU poor? The amount of fans and dollars YOY they will lose if they allow this clown show to continue another year could be catastrophic. Even if I had donor type money, seeing as how this athletic administration has handled Moser I would already be slow to give anything to them. I'd be terrified at their lack of judgement and intelligence. If they make a move after the SEC tournament, I would still think they are stupid for not firing him 2 years ago, but not quite as stupid. If they gave him another year, I might never give them another dime. How can I trust them?

Based on the lack of support from the admin and decision makers to basketball, promotion, facilities, and NIL, then Yes, I would say OU is poor.

And while people point to the success of Jennie and the women’s team, if it wasn’t for the old rich lady in Iowa they would have the same issues of lack of support and be in as bad as shape as the men’s program.

For whatever reason Joe C and the admin has not supported men’s basketball for a long time. it's evident big time in all areas even to the casual fan. And potential coaching replacements.

And this long predates Moser.

Hopefully this attitude, effort, and commitment will change under Denny.

But until then, IMO, we’re poor and not serious about basketball. Moser or not.

 

[BoulderSooner]

I just wonder how the financial gap gets fixed if Moser comes back (especially if they don’t make the tournament).

I do appreciate how the team kept fighting and multiple years he has turned things around even with a roster of mercenaries. That’s impressive. But the bad thing is it keeps happening the same way every year. So, I don’t think he’s built for this era of a new roster every year.

yes to the second part ..

to the first it won't it will get worse ..

 

[BoulderSooner]

So? Is OU poor? The amount of fans and dollars YOY they will lose if they allow this clown show to continue another year could be catastrophic. Even if I had donor type money, seeing as how this athletic administration has handled Moser I would already be slow to give anything to them. I'd be terrified at their lack of judgement and intelligence. If they make a move after the SEC tournament, I would still think they are stupid for not firing him 2 years ago, but not quite as stupid. If they gave him another year, I might never give them another dime. How can I trust them?

facts ..

 

[BoulderSooner]

For whatever reason Joe C and the admin has not supported men’s basketball for a long time. it's evident big time in all areas even to the casual fan. And potential coaching replacements.

And this long predates Moser.

Hopefully this attitude, effort, and commitment will change under Denny.

all of this

 

[hoopsaustin]

Are you sure about this?

ChatGPT says it is 75% of what is owed on contract and that it drops to~$2.55mil next year.

I did 70% instead of 75%, my bad. So the numbers are actually higher. Fixed it in my post.

You are correct, I was including his 26-27 salary too. The "buyout" will be 2.625 next year if you're not including that we also paid his total 3.4 million salary (and idk how frequently he gets paid out his salary). Thanks for pointing out that I had it wrong

 

[hoopsaustin]

Based on the lack of support from the admin and decision makers to basketball, promotion, facilities, and NIL, then Yes, I would say OU is poor.

And while people point to the success of Jennie and the women’s team, if it wasn’t for the old rich lady in Iowa they would have the same issues of lack of support and be in as bad as shape as the men’s program.

For whatever reason Joe C and the admin has not supported men’s basketball for a long time. it's evident big time in all areas even to the casual fan. And potential coaching replacements.

And this long predates Moser.

Hopefully this attitude, effort, and commitment will change under Denny.

But until then, IMO, we’re poor and not serious about basketball. Moser or not.

We're fiscally conservative and we don't have the # of BMDs that other schools have for sure.. we generally make money tho while a lot dont.

The long game of NIL will end ou dominance in football imo. You're gonna see weird schools pop up ala Indiana. But that had more to do with cignetti. Wait and see if mark Cuban starts funding them...

We should all prepare for a totally different landscape unless a salary cap gets established. Look at bama decreasing. Look at Baylor basketball

 

[steverocks35]

We're fiscally conservative and we don't have the # of BMDs that other schools have for sure.. we generally make money tho while a lot dont.

The long game of NIL will end ou dominance in football imo. You're gonna see weird schools pop up ala Indiana. But that had more to do with cignetti. Wait and see if mark Cuban starts funding them...

We should all prepare for a totally different landscape unless a salary cap gets established. Look at bama decreasing. Look at Baylor basketball

The crazy one for me is BYU in basketball.

 

[allday92]

The crazy one for me is BYU in basketball.

BYU has the Marriott family and the owner of the Jazz (Qualtrics founder).

 

[hoopsaustin]

The crazy one for me is BYU in basketball.

There will be more weird ones.

I expected California to take off with tech BMDs (esp. as AI ruins/disrupts entire industries, scary AF to me), but they might not like sports as much as Oil Barons in tejas and the middle parts. And smart/private schools like Vandy/Georgia tech, big schools like UCF. Who knows

 

[BoulderSooner]

We're fiscally conservative and we don't have the # of BMDs that other schools have for sure.. we generally make money tho while a lot dont.

The long game of NIL will end ou dominance in football imo. You're gonna see weird schools pop up ala Indiana. But that had more to do with cignetti. Wait and see if mark Cuban starts funding them...

We should all prepare for a totally different landscape unless a salary cap gets established. Look at bama decreasing. Look at Baylor basketball

he already did start

 

[hoopsaustin]

he already did start

Ugh oh

 

[mict085]

We're fiscally conservative and we don't have the # of BMDs that other schools have for sure.. we generally make money tho while a lot dont.

The long game of NIL will end ou dominance in football imo. You're gonna see weird schools pop up ala Indiana. But that had more to do with cignetti. Wait and see if mark Cuban starts funding them...

We should all prepare for a totally different landscape unless a salary cap gets established. Look at bama decreasing. Look at Baylor basketball

I disagree on football. OU is showing right now, with the right people making the decisions, we can be great once more and we are trending in the right direction. However, it also shows, everyone needs to be putting in the work and working together to be great.

The basketball program has always been an afterthought and had to overcome the indifference and win in spite of this. That will not work in today’s landscape and the program will be destroyed if we don’t find the support needed to be successful. The Joe C model of not giving a crap about the basketball program and only being reactive will not succeed in today’s game.

 

[TINY]

Anyone know the question that prompted this response?

In any event, this is more evidence that OU NIL is near the bottom of the SEC. Coming from the pay for play king himself, Coach Cal.

 

[sanguinetti]

Look at Baylor basketball

Oregon and Maryland played last night in Big 10 tourney. Programs have had success last 25 years. Both teams finished this season 12-20

 

[BCSooners]

I read that and one thing stands out -- no state tourney appearances in a long career.

I think it’s more impressive to stay at 1 place and be willing to go through ups and downs. Rather than always looking for places with more talent and continuously talent hopping and making the state tournament 5-10 times. There are coaches who consistently go to the state tournament & some that have won that are average to below average coaches.

 

[SoonerDutch]

I disagree on football. OU is showing right now, with the right people making the decisions, we can be great once more and we are trending in the right direction. However, it also shows, everyone needs to be putting in the work and working together to be great.

The basketball program has always been an afterthought and had to overcome the indifference and win in spite of this. That will not work in today’s landscape and the program will be destroyed if we don’t find the support needed to be successful. The Joe C model of not giving a crap about the basketball program and only being reactive will not succeed in today’s game.

Yeah, I think OU clearly has booster support that’s comparable with the next tier down from the truly big diversified NIL players in football (Ohio State, UT, A&M). It can be competitive if it can find a niche and uses NIL resources strategically.

Unfortunately for basketball, I’m also pretty sure it means booster support will consolidate around FB at the expense of MBB (and non-rev sports, although that’s still much more predicated on coaching being the dominant factor). Castiglione laid groundwork for the slow decline since the early 2000s, but NIL will make it even more challenging to bounce back.

 

[WTSooner]

We're fiscally conservative and we don't have the # of BMDs that other schools have for sure.. we generally make money tho while a lot dont.

The long game of NIL will end ou dominance in football imo. You're gonna see weird schools pop up ala Indiana. But that had more to do with cignetti. Wait and see if mark Cuban starts funding them...

We should all prepare for a totally different landscape unless a salary cap gets established. Look at bama decreasing. Look at Baylor basketball

OU football will be fine.

And I don't think this version of college athletics is going to last long. Too many people that matter don't like it. Too many people that matter want it changed. If it's not rolled back by Trump's EO, it'll be Congress or collective bargaining (employees, etc) that gets it "fixed."

But something is going to happen. Maybe not this year. But soon.