Fire Porter Moser

[WichitaSooner]

Men’s college basketball Top 25: Unbeaten Vanderbilt, Nebraska are bona fide top-10 teams

It's also time to consider mid-majors — and Utah State and Saint Louis join our ranking this week.

www.nytimes.com

Some interesting blurbs on a few teams a lot of people on this board are interested in. Relevant to our (please come to fruition) coaching search, the bit about St. Louis is good. Imagine having a coherent offensive plan that is consistent from year to year, and not having one of the slowest offenses in the country?

 

[hoopsaustin]

uncalled for

Nah

 

[cowboysooner]

For the record, I haven't written off the season yet. I like our talent. And I still think this team can do something good this year. I will chime in on whether Moser should be retained after the season. Until then, I will just support the team. I like the kids and like Porter, for that matter. At A&M, we played OK on defense, lost our way on the boards due to foul trouble with Wague, and then picked a bad game to lose our stroke down the stretch. And, Brown played horrible. Still clinging to hope for the team and coaches.

 

[WichitaSooner]

For the record, I haven't written off the season yet. I like our talent. And I still think this team can do something good this year. I will chime in on whether Moser should be retained after the season. Until then, I will just support the team. I like the kids and like Porter, for that matter. At A&M, we played OK on defense, lost our way on the boards due to foul trouble with Wague, and then picked a bad game to lose our stroke down the stretch. And, Brown played horrible. Still clinging to hope for the team and coaches.

Do you know the kids and Moser personally? And we didn’t lose our stroke. We lost any semblance of an offense down the stretch. It was Brown dribbling around, the wrong guys taking shots, and Pack struggling to score when he was sitting on the bench beside the assistant coaches.

And this game it was rebounding and turnovers. Other game it is defense. Others it is coming out asleep like ASU. It’s always something. Good teams (meaning team with a real coach) don’t always have some fatal flaw or another pop up. And when they do, they are tough enough to still win their fair share of the time. Loser, on the other hand, annually maxes out as a below .500 coach.

 

[TEvans4Three]

Do you know the kids and Moser personally? And we didn’t lose our stroke. We lost any semblance of an offense down the stretch. It was Brown dribbling around, the wrong guys taking shots, and Pack struggling to score when he was sitting on the bench beside the assistant coaches.

And this game it was rebounding and turnovers. Other game it is defense. Others it is coming out asleep like ASU. It’s always something. Good teams (meaning team with a real coach) don’t always have some fatal flaw or another pop up. And when they do, they are tough enough to still win their fair share of the time. Loser, on the other hand, annually maxes out as a below .500 coach.

It just seems like a rotating wheel of failures.

No offense one game. No rebounding another. No defense another, then more turnovers one game.

The same issues keep popping up, year after year, unaddressed and there is one central point of it all.

 

[WichitaSooner]

It just seems like a rotating wheel of failures.

No offense one game. No rebounding another. No defense another, then more turnovers one game.

The same issues keep popping up, year after year, unaddressed and there is one central point of it all.

Moser is truly the only constant. New players year after year. New assistants. Heck, even new strength and conditioning coaches. And I still have no idea what his core principles are. The only two things I can identify are both negatives: we play ridiculously slow, and no matter how much length and athleticism we have, he is determined not to apply any pressure or create turnovers. He wants to sit back and let our poor halfcourt defense do its thing.

 

[Boom Soon]

Moser is truly the only constant. New players year after year. New assistants. Heck, even new strength and conditioning coaches. And I still have no idea what his core principles are. The only two things I can identify are both negatives: we play ridiculously slow, and no matter how much length and athleticism we have, he is determined not to apply any pressure or create turnovers. He wants to sit back and let our poor halfcourt defense do its thing.

I agree. I tended to defend him earlier in his tenure because I think there are things a college coach shouldn’t have to worry about when coaching paid athletes. Like the importance of ball security, turnovers, stupid fouls, etc. But it’s hard to do that now considering it’s becoming year after year.

 

[hoopsaustin]

I agree. I tended to defend him earlier in his tenure because I think there are things a college coach shouldn’t have to worry about when coaching paid athletes. Like the importance of ball security, turnovers, stupid fouls, etc. But it’s hard to do that now considering it’s becoming year after year.

Man.. loser moser is bleeding support. There may be only 1-3 posters left

 

[daqman]

Man.. loser moser is bleeding support. There may be only 1-3 posters left

yeah i held out hope until the a&m game last season.
still had some hope for him this season with what appeared to be more talent and a better constructed roster.
but it's clear his formula just ain't working.
hopefully we have a new coach next season.

 

[Boom Soon]

Man.. loser moser is bleeding support. There may be only 1-3 posters left

Oh I’ve been against Moser since the season opening loss in 2023 but I get what you’re saying. I think it’s very apparent now to everyone.

 

[Soonerguy06]

I'm definitely disappointed, but we still have a lot of season left. If we continue losing late in games, or just not showing up into the second half of February then I think we know (or hope) Moser will be leaving soon.

 

[steverocks35]

Bump

 

[AnotherSoonerInTX]

Last week at MSU was the beginning of the end. It's mushrooming tonight.

Porter is a dead coach walking.

 

[hoopsaustin]

Get this thread to 20+ pages please

 

[MrAnderson]

His record in conference play at OU now sits at 27-49 after tonight, not counting conference tournaments.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

His record in conference play at OU now sits at 27-49 after tonight, not counting conference tournaments.

 

[OUSKINS]

I think 2 things can be true at once:

1. Barring a pretty unlikely turnaround to this season, it will be time to move on from Porter at season’s end. Assuming a non-tourney year, the results will more than warrant dismissal.

2. I have very little faith/hope that whoever we hire would do much better or sustain success. The last 5 years of Lon weren’t good either. It’s been 10 years now since we had a truly “good” team and also 10 years since our las sustained string of successful seasons. I don’t think anyone with options would sniff this job right now. So that means young up and comer looking for a stepping stone job, which would be fine.

But the program is at dead rock bottom now. I don’t think that is Porter’s fault. It has been sinking honestly for 25+ years for all the various reasons routinely discussed on the board. He was unable to change the trajectory and I guess you could argue he made things worse. I’m not sure about that, but he certainly wasn’t able to “save” or revive it.

Let’s be honest. No on cares. Not on a macro scale. While the team isn’t good, they had a decent record and won their first SEC game at home. Norman literally might be one of the only places in country (on any level) where the defending national champs would play in a half-empty arena.

Beyond attendance, the “buzz” or conscious level is at a 0. I am on a text chain with about 10 other dudes that went to OU. I’m the only guy who has watched a game this year or can name a player. And my attendance/interest has dropped over the years too. I switched from an OU season ticket holder to a Thunder season ticket holder in 2011 and haven’t looked back. Even with that though, I used to go to 7-10 games per year. That dwindled to around 5 the last few years. Now it’s down to maybe 3. And those 3 represent 3 more than just about everyone else I know.

And none of the above is “because” of Porter. I want to make that clear. All these trends existed well before he arrived. I guess the hope was he could get them to be a top 10-15 type team, which is the only way people even halfway tune in. And he came up well short of that. Whoever the next guy is will likely have an extremely hard time getting there too.

 

[BCSooners]

I think 2 things can be true at once:

1. Barring a pretty unlikely turnaround to this season, it will be time to move on from Porter at season’s end. Assuming a non-tourney year, the results will more than warrant dismissal.

2. I have very little faith/hope that whoever we hire would do much better or sustain success. The last 5 years of Lon weren’t good either. It’s been 10 years now since we had a truly “good” team and also 10 years since our las sustained string of successful seasons. I don’t think anyone with options would sniff this job right now. So that means young up and comer looking for a stepping stone job, which would be fine.

But the program is at dead rock bottom now. I don’t think that is Porter’s fault. It has been sinking honestly for 25+ years for all the various reasons routinely discussed on the board. He was unable to change the trajectory and I guess you could argue he made things worse. I’m not sure about that, but he certainly wasn’t able to “save” or revive it.

Let’s be honest. No on cares. Not on a macro scale. While the team isn’t good, they had a decent record and won their first SEC game at home. Norman literally might be one of the only places in country (on any level) where the defending national champs would play in a half-empty arena.

Beyond attendance, the “buzz” or conscious level is at a 0. I am on a text chain with about 10 other dudes that went to OU. I’m the only guy who has watched a game this year or can name a player. And my attendance/interest has dropped over the years too. I switched from an OU season ticket holder to a Thunder season ticket holder in 2011 and haven’t looked back. Even with that though, I used to go to 7-10 games per year. That dwindled to around 5 the last few years. Now it’s down to maybe 3. And those 3 represent 3 more than just about everyone else I know.

And none of the above is “because” of Porter. I want to make that clear. All these trends existed well before he arrived. I guess the hope was he could get them to be a top 10-15 type team, which is the only way people even halfway tune in. And he came up well short of that. Whoever the next guy is will likely have an extremely hard time getting there too.

I think you give Lon NIL it would’ve been better. He was probably the cleanest coach in college.

 

[Hecubus]

You can win here, win championships even .. but we need an AD who gives a sh** about “not football”. We have an opportunity for that coming up, hopefully we get it. If not, yeah .. Lons last years were almost as bad, sans blowouts .. but definitely lots of “barely into the tournament” and worse.

 

[colston15]

Moser should be out barring a rally by this team, but can we hire anyone decent?