Fire Porter Moser

I think the new AD will not want to get on the wrong side of the fanbase by doing nothing after this season ends. My best guess is he will not give Moser any kind of "vote of confidence" in hoping that he leaves on his own. He also doesn't want to pay the buyout unless it is a last resort. He officially has his first big test, so let's see how he plays it. My best guess is he is already spending more time with Moser than he is with Venables.
 
At the very least, this new AD should be able to avoid bad contracts and foolish extensions. What date does Mosers buyout drop?

He damn sure better be vetting replacements already.
 
WaymanFan said:
I think the new AD will not want to get on the wrong side of the fanbase by doing nothing after this season ends. My best guess is he will not give Moser any kind of "vote of confidence" in hoping that he leaves on his own. He also doesn't want to pay the buyout unless it is a last resort. He officially has his first big test, so let's see how he plays it. My best guess is he is already spending more time with Moser than he is with Venables.
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I don't think the fans matter as much as you think. This Loser Moser situation is going to be very interesting
 
Like Moser or not, and aside from the issue of his in game coaching and whether it is good or not, it says something good about Moser that notwithstanding the negativity around the program and the record, these kids haven't quit on him. They have done nothing but ratchet up their effort the last couple games. Good on Porter and especially good on the kids on the team.

I doubt what you and I think about Porter will have a thing to do with whether he is the coach next year. But whatever you think of him, you have to give him credit for keeping this team together. As for me, I don't really have a strong feeling one way or the other with Porter. Not my favorite coach, but believe, considering the circumstances, he has done enough not to be fired before the end of his contract. But, I understand the feelings of you with contrary feelings.

As for his management of the end of the Missouri game, I am OK with it. With continuation, you can understand the conflict with that decision that used to be pretty clear. For me, if you can't foul in the backcourt almost immediately, you don't. Just defend. As for the end of regulation, I think he handled that fine. As for leaving time to get down court at the end, if you want to fault Moser, that is where you go. He did tell the kids to make sure they take the last shot. I suppose, he could and should have drilled into them, that means no earlier than 3 seconds, i.e. been clearer and more direct on what he wanted. But, anyone that has ever coached anything, would know that in the heat of the moment, kids don't always do what they are told to do. Not as easy as some make it out to be in those moments.

Take monday morning quarterbacking out of it, Missouri showed me Porter can coach, not that he is a bad coach. Tough road environment, absurd officiating, Missouri fighting for league position and in a must win situation, his team on a skid with the fan base turning negative, and man, did they ever play and coach their rears off. But for a couple miracles, we steal that one. I have nothing negative to say about the kids or coaches related to the Missouri game. If you have a beef with Moser, it seems to me your beef is only legitimate if you are talking about his total body of work. Even then, I can see your point, but wouldn't agree with it. (in the heat of a defeat, I have been in the fire porter boat a number of times, then cooled down. So, I do get it.)
 
Amazing we still have a few people defending his guy’s coaching. Absurd. “But there is a chance our guys our screw up and foul in the act.’” Guess what, their guy took three dribbles in the backcourt. “Absurd officiating.” Classic loser’s lament. And guys have ratcheted up their effort recently? They got their ass kicked the prior game by the worst roster in the league and trailed wire to wire.

In-game coaching, let’s see, he basically hasn’t played Atak since his shooting helped us win our conference opener. He has put Dayton back in the rotation even though he might he the worst rotation player in power conference basketball this season. He has been typically slow to make the obvious change and start Kirill instead of Mo. I guess he has shown one consistent thing at OU, which is to not start our most effective five.
 
cowboysooner said:
Like Moser or not, and aside from the issue of his in game coaching and whether it is good or not, it says something good about Moser that notwithstanding the negativity around the program and the record, these kids haven't quit on him. They have done nothing but ratchet up their effort the last couple games. Good on Porter and especially good on the kids on the team.

I doubt what you and I think about Porter will have a thing to do with whether he is the coach next year. But whatever you think of him, you have to give him credit for keeping this team together. As for me, I don't really have a strong feeling one way or the other with Porter. Not my favorite coach, but believe, considering the circumstances, he has done enough not to be fired before the end of his contract. But, I understand the feelings of you with contrary feelings.

As for his management of the end of the Missouri game, I am OK with it. With continuation, you can understand the conflict with that decision that used to be pretty clear. For me, if you can't foul in the backcourt almost immediately, you don't. Just defend. As for the end of regulation, I think he handled that fine. As for leaving time to get down court at the end, if you want to fault Moser, that is where you go. He did tell the kids to make sure they take the last shot. I suppose, he could and should have drilled into them, that means no earlier than 3 seconds, i.e. been clearer and more direct on what he wanted. But, anyone that has ever coached anything, would know that in the heat of the moment, kids don't always do what they are told to do. Not as easy as some make it out to be in those moments.

Take monday morning quarterbacking out of it, Missouri showed me Porter can coach, not that he is a bad coach. Tough road environment, absurd officiating, Missouri fighting for league position and in a must win situation, his team on a skid with the fan base turning negative, and man, did they ever play and coach their rears off. But for a couple miracles, we steal that one. I have nothing negative to say about the kids or coaches related to the Missouri game. If you have a beef with Moser, it seems to me your beef is only legitimate if you are talking about his total body of work. Even then, I can see your point, but wouldn't agree with it. (in the heat of a defeat, I have been in the fire porter boat a number of times, then cooled down. So, I do get it.)
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The issue is the effort it took to little too late. That’s where it falls on Moser. The overall culture of the program
 
WaymanFan said:
I think the new AD will not want to get on the wrong side of the fanbase by doing nothing after this season ends. My best guess is he will not give Moser any kind of "vote of confidence" in hoping that he leaves on his own. He also doesn't want to pay the buyout unless it is a last resort. He officially has his first big test, so let's see how he plays it. My best guess is he is already spending more time with Moser than he is with Venables.
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At the rate this is going, Porter's not going to be able to get another head coaching gig unless maybe at a mid-major.

Stephenson and Nagy are running football. Denny is running the other sports with input from Stephenson and maybe Joe C.

I think they'll eat the buyout. $5M spread out in monthly payments. Porter has lost the fan base. Ticket sales and donations are down.
 
OkieTC said:
To quote a hoops buddy of mine…Winners win. Haven’t seen a lot of that under Moser. Not all his fault, but the head coach has to take the blame when it is EVERY season.
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I agree with this. I have never been a part of the fire every coach brigade, and I still won't get online and bash any of our coaches or players, but the consistent failures over the last couple of years are alarming. We don't seem well prepared for situational basketball. I've seen plenty of high school teams here in OK that understand end-of-game situations. We've made a habit of blowing those situations. The coach has to be held accountable for that.
 
Boom, agree there has been a lack of effort in some games to this point. I have said that on here. But, there hasn't been a lack of effort the last two games. Kids played hard. Your point is well taken though, which is, there was seemingly a lack of effort and intensity until the last couple games. That is on Moser. Hard to know why. His teams have always played hard before, so it has sort of been a mystery to me.

Okie, understand your points, and if he gets fired at the end of the year, then so be it. I intend to just let the year play out and then formulate my opinion. Agree with your point that circumstances notwithstanding, at some point you need to win some games and compete for conference championships. My concerns are mostly whether OU is willing to commit the resources to compete in basketball (and whether they should), and whether we are getting about the most we can expect out of any coach (moser included) considering what we are spending. I just don't know. Coaching matters to winning and fan support, but historically, it hasn't meant much to the bottom line. We get the same TV money as Kentucky or Kansas. We sell plenty of tickets to home games, it is just that a lot of that is corporate or folks building priority for football, and they don't go to the games. So, a great team will sell a few more tickets but I just don't know how much of a revenue increase that actually means.

To spend what the top schools in the SEC are spending on basketball, we would need to spend 4-5 times what we are spending. Are we willing to do that? Do we want to do that to be a top 4-5 school in the SEC? I love it when we are good. But at least for me, I don't want to be good enough in basketball enough to take away what from what it takes to compete for championships in Football. But, that is just me.
 
cowboysooner said:
Boom, agree there has been a lack of effort in some games to this point. I have said that on here. But, there hasn't been a lack of effort the last two games. Kids played hard. Your point is well taken though, which is, there was seemingly a lack of effort and intensity until the last couple games. That is on Moser. Hard to know why. His teams have always played hard before, so it has sort of been a mystery to me.

Okie, understand your points, and if he gets fired at the end of the year, then so be it. I intend to just let the year play out and then formulate my opinion. Agree with your point that circumstances notwithstanding, at some point you need to win some games and compete for conference championships. My concerns are mostly whether OU is willing to commit the resources to compete in basketball (and whether they should), and whether we are getting about the most we can expect out of any coach (moser included) considering what we are spending. I just don't know. Coaching matters to winning and fan support, but historically, it hasn't meant much to the bottom line. We get the same TV money as Kentucky or Kansas. We sell plenty of tickets to home games, it is just that a lot of that is corporate or folks building priority for football, and they don't go to the games. So, a great team will sell a few more tickets but I just don't know how much of a revenue increase that actually means.

To spend what the top schools in the SEC are spending on basketball, we would need to spend 4-5 times what we are spending. Are we willing to do that? Do we want to do that to be a top 4-5 school in the SEC? I love it when we are good. But at least for me, I don't want to be good enough in basketball enough to take away what from what it takes to compete for championships in Football. But, that is just me.
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So we landed the #11 class in the transfer portal (#6 by average recruit ranking) and signed two 4* HS kids, but we didn't spend any money?

The fact that some of you think you know what we spent, or think we were next to last in the SEC in spending, is just silly. But the truth is, none of us know. That information isn't out there. Anybody saying they know, or guessing, is doing just that, guessing.
 
WTSooner said:
So we landed the #11 class in the transfer portal (#6 by average recruit ranking) and signed two 4* HS kids, but we didn't spend any money?

The fact that some of you think you know what we spent, or think we were next to last in the SEC in spending, is just silly. But the truth is, none of us know. That information isn't out there. Anybody saying they know, or guessing, is doing just that, guessing.
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This!!
 
cowboysooner said:
Like Moser or not, and aside from the issue of his in game coaching and whether it is good or not, it says something good about Moser that notwithstanding the negativity around the program and the record, these kids haven't quit on him. They have done nothing but ratchet up their effort the last couple games. Good on Porter and especially good on the kids on the team.

I doubt what you and I think about Porter will have a thing to do with whether he is the coach next year. But whatever you think of him, you have to give him credit for keeping this team together. As for me, I don't really have a strong feeling one way or the other with Porter. Not my favorite coach, but believe, considering the circumstances, he has done enough not to be fired before the end of his contract. But, I understand the feelings of you with contrary feelings.

As for his management of the end of the Missouri game, I am OK with it. With continuation, you can understand the conflict with that decision that used to be pretty clear. For me, if you can't foul in the backcourt almost immediately, you don't. Just defend. As for the end of regulation, I think he handled that fine. As for leaving time to get down court at the end, if you want to fault Moser, that is where you go. He did tell the kids to make sure they take the last shot. I suppose, he could and should have drilled into them, that means no earlier than 3 seconds, i.e. been clearer and more direct on what he wanted. But, anyone that has ever coached anything, would know that in the heat of the moment, kids don't always do what they are told to do. Not as easy as some make it out to be in those moments.

Take monday morning quarterbacking out of it, Missouri showed me Porter can coach, not that he is a bad coach. Tough road environment, absurd officiating, Missouri fighting for league position and in a must win situation, his team on a skid with the fan base turning negative, and man, did they ever play and coach their rears off. But for a couple miracles, we steal that one. I have nothing negative to say about the kids or coaches related to the Missouri game. If you have a beef with Moser, it seems to me your beef is only legitimate if you are talking about his total body of work. Even then, I can see your point, but wouldn't agree with it. (in the heat of a defeat, I have been in the fire porter boat a number of times, then cooled down. So, I do get it.)
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I disagree with the premise. The players should have been playing this hard in the first place. It reeks of "i put off my term paper and now I have to stay up 48 straight hours to finish" vibes. I think it's actually a discredit to Loser that he didn't demand that from Game 1 on

Also, yes, he's a bad, awful, terrible coach. The worst in school history
 
Praising a team for not quitting is something. First of all, we have played with zero energy in two of our past four games (Florida and South Carolina), so I’m not sure I agree with the statement in the first place. Not to mention the numerous noncon games that we slept through.

But second, even if you believe they haven’t quit, it’s such a ridiculously low bar. “Oh hey, the guys haven’t totally abandoned ship, so the coach deserves credit.” My goodness, that’s the minimum that should be expected from a high school team or a competitive club team. For college athletes at the highest level of the sport? Most of whom want to find a way to transfer to a better coach or continue playing in a professional league? I seriously doubt that whatever effort they are giving is due to MMM.
 
at this point I'm just embarrassed for our men's program. i hope they still have some pride and continue to play hard and grind out some wins, but it'll be hard for them not to be disheartened by looking at their standing in the conference, and the overall 'mood' about the current state of the program. I mean, i have a friend who's brother is a student at OU and he's said him and his friends are all very aware that the men's team is a 'joke' which is sad, because it didn't used to be when i went there. Although that was when Sampson was still around.
 
hoopsaustin said:
Also, yes, he's a bad, awful, terrible coach. The worst in school history
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No, there have been a couple worse, but we get your point. Fortunately, I wasn't born or too young to remember the first two coaches post Bruce Drake. John Macleod is the coach who made us competitive...took a minor step back after he left and then Dave Bliss got us back in the NCAA Tournament after going 31 straight seasons of not making it.
 
WaymanFan said:
No, there have been a couple worse, but we get your point. Fortunately, I wasn't born or too young to remember the first two coaches post Bruce Drake. John Macleod is the coach who made us competitive...took a minor step back after he left and then Dave Bliss got us back in the NCAA Tournament after going 31 straight seasons of not making it.
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Yep. The expansion of the NCAA tournament helped us greatly. John MacLeod had three NBA players and some teams that would have made an expanded NCAA field of 32 or 48 teams...the 64 team field would have been a cinch for them. Their success helped lead to the construction of Lloyd Noble. After MacLeod left for the NBA, OU hired former star player Lester Lane, who tragically died of a heart attack before coaching a game. His assistant Joe Ramsey took over for a couple of seasons before Dave Bliss came in.
 
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