Fire Porter Moser

[WichitaSooner]

Some of that is logical but comparing OU to Utah St is not the same in regard to schedules. St. Louis pounded Georgia then two days later got pounded by Michigan. Thats the equivalent of playing Georgia then teo days later having Florida or Tenn or Alabama types in the same conference. Utah st only has to prepare and play the likes of Arizona one time. Maybe they had their best night and still came up short. There’s a reason why some of these guys are staying put and getting a little more NIL in those same situations and being able to repeat or get close to the same type of result, they had the year before. Hodgesens turned down Syracuse and everybody thought he would stay at South Florida just to turn around and bolt to Providence which a lot are saying is due to the promises he was made in NIL contributions. Yes good to great coaching is definitely needed on most nights, but you still have to have the Jimmy’s and the Joe’s as well and in todays world and money brings a lot more of those in.

In my opinion, when you look at the case at Iowa, McCollum had a solid year but finished middle of the pack in the big 10 and that’s with a lot of his guys that have been in his system especially his superstar for the last four years. You don’t get a lot of of that anymore unless you can pony up the dough you’re in and you’re out. Honestly, Florida gave that game away with multiple bad possessions in regard to coaching and or player blenders, and not too many people are going to be calling for Todd Golden’s head today.

A friend of mine who is in Iowa fan said behind the scenes, they are already discussing how to come up with more NIL for Iowa next year to replace some of the guys they know they are losing.

He finished .500 in the Big 10 in year one. Loser hasn’t done that in five seasons and most years hasn’t come close. And Ben did that in a league that has 6 teams in the Sweet 16. And he did that with a bunch of guys who were D-2 players who no one else wanted.

And for all the crap about UF blowing the game, don’t forget that Iowa led for the vast majority of the game. This was not a fluke win. No doubt Florida made a defensive mistake on the final Iowa possession, but they played very well, and very hard, for 40 minutes.

 

[Hecubus]

If OU were in a weak conference then we would have been in all 4 of Moser’s years .. probably with 5-9 seeds. 25-4, etc. Gonzaga has rode that train to a large number of really high seeds.

Unfortunately playing with the big boys only counts if you win. You also get beat up over the year .. so another a drawback of playing large numbers of Top 20 competition in your league. And the really good coaches in your league give everybody else a blueprint on how to beat you.

 

[hoopsaustin]

If OU were in a weak conference then we would have been in all 4 of Moser’s years .. probably with 5-9 seeds. 25-4, etc. Gonzaga has rode that train to a large number of really high seeds.

Unfortunately playing with the big boys only counts if you win. You also get beat up over the year .. so another a drawback of playing large numbers of Top 20 competition in your league. And the really good coaches in your league give everybody else a blueprint on how to beat you.

You aren't wrong. Its confusing but Gonzaga is actually one of the must overrated teams in modern college bball history. How can that be bc they made 2 final 4s and natty appearances recently...? Bc they are overseeded every single year, so the easiest road they could get every year.

They play poop teams all year but for some reason get tons of credit for playing 1-4 teams all year (half of the time 2 of those teams are like a Saint Mary's that is only decent and overrated too, bc they also stacked conference wins in a dumpster conference).

Now dont get me wrong, their coach is pretty dang good. And their team/program is getting stronger each year. But I predicted they would be the first 1 seed to ever lose to a 16 and they had a decently close game, but I missed on that. They have showed out in some tourneys but are normally a team I pick against early and often

 

[Maverick008]

He finished .500 in the Big 10 in year one. Loser hasn’t done that in five seasons and most years hasn’t come close. And Ben did that in a league that has 6 teams in the Sweet 16. And he did that with a bunch of guys who were D-2 players who no one else wanted.

And for all the crap about UF blowing the game, don’t forget that Iowa led for the vast majority of the game. This was not a fluke win. No doubt Florida made a defensive mistake on the final Iowa possession, but they played very well, and very hard, for 40 minutes.

There are 18 teams in the Big 10 he went 10-10 finishing 8th out of 18 finishing ahead of only one team in the standings that made the NCAA tourney which was Ohio St.

Out of the 10 wins, they beat UCLA, Nebraska and Ohio State. The rest were teams that didn’t finish in the top half of the conference. They also lost to Minnesota, Maryland and Penn State. McCollum is not a bad coach whatsoever, but it’s not like he lit the world on fire. His teams are well coached, but they currently also play an offensive style that will keep anybody in the game and can lose to anybody on any given night. They absolutely controlled the game for most of the night but yet with that system Florida who really didn’t play well at all yet had a chance to win and yes, blew it in the end with terrible defense and then didn’t even get a shot off with 4 1/2 seconds left.

Stirtz has been his go to guy for sure the last two if not, three years so it will be interesting to see who takes over for him next season and to see if they can improve on what they’ve done or if they finish middle of the pack again or lower once coaches get a book on what they like to do.

 

[WichitaSooner]

There are 18 teams in the Big 10 he went 10-10 finishing 8th out of 18 finishing ahead of only one team in the standings that made the NCAA tourney which was Ohio St.

Out of the 10 wins, they beat UCLA, Nebraska and Ohio State. The rest were teams that didn’t finish in the top half of the conference. They also lost to Minnesota, Maryland and Penn State. McCollum is not a bad coach whatsoever, but it’s not like he lit the world on fire. His teams are well coached, but they currently also play an offensive style that will keep anybody in the game and can lose to anybody on any given night. They absolutely controlled the game for most of the night but yet with that system Florida who really didn’t play well at all yet had a chance to win and yes, blew it in the end with terrible defense and then didn’t even get a shot off with 4 1/2 seconds left.

Stirtz has been his go to guy for sure the last two if not, three years so it will be interesting to see who takes over for him next season and to see if they can improve on what they’ve done or if they finish middle of the pack again or lower once coaches get a book on what they like to do.

There are also plenty of bad teams in the SEC that Moser could beat to get to .500.

 

[WichitaSooner]

If OU were in a weak conference then we would have been in all 4 of Moser’s years .. probably with 5-9 seeds. 25-4, etc. Gonzaga has rode that train to a large number of really high seeds.

Unfortunately playing with the big boys only counts if you win. You also get beat up over the year .. so another a drawback of playing large numbers of Top 20 competition in your league. And the really good coaches in your league give everybody else a blueprint on how to beat you.

Gonzaga plays a murderous noncon schedule almost every year and does extremely well against it. They also had made about 100 straight Sweet 16s till last season. All kinds of elite programs get bounced from the tourney early, so don't act like they only make it because they get an "easy" path.

Give Moser Gonzaga's exact schedule over the past few years and there is no way he goes 25-4 or even close to it. He would lose several noncon games given how many good teams they play, and St. Mary's would probably beat him more often than not. They don't get high seeds because of what they do in their league. It is because of their noncon work.

 

[Hecubus]

Gonzaga plays a murderous noncon schedule almost every year and does extremely well against it. They also had made about 100 straight Sweet 16s till last season. All kinds of elite programs get bounced from the tourney early, so don't act like they only make it because they get an "easy" path.

Give Moser Gonzaga's exact schedule over the past few years and there is no way he goes 25-4 or even close to it. He would lose several noncon games given how many good teams they play, and St. Mary's would probably beat him more often than not. They don't get high seeds because of what they do in their league. It is because of their noncon work.

Gonzaga has been at this for 20+ years. Start at the beginning, not where they are at now. There are plenty of examples of schools that get in because they play in a soft conference. We already play the soft teams, just move them in conference and voila .. you get to the tourney every year. High seeds come later (1-3) if you do it every year. If OU can’t commit to SEC level then that is your only path to avoid being a bottom feeder every year.

Of course, if your argument is that we couldn’t even win this soft conference tourney in a one bid conference consistently, well, sure .. maybe a stretch.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Gonzaga has been at this for 20+ years. Start at the beginning, not where they are at now. There are plenty of examples of schools that get in because they play in a soft conference. We already play the soft teams, just move them in conference and voila .. you get to the tourney every year. High seeds come later (1-3) if you do it every year. If OU can’t commit to SEC level then that is your only path to avoid being a bottom feeder every year.

Of course, if your argument is that we couldn’t even win this soft conference tourney in a one bid conference consistently, well, sure .. maybe a stretch.

You’re the one who made Gonzaga the example, not me. But there actually aren’t a ton of teams from non power conferences that routinely make the tourney without playing and beating good teams in the noncon. That’s why there is always so much talk about how tough it is for mid majors to make the field. There are maybe two or three non power conferences that can count on multiple bids, but those teams do play decent competition in the noncon.

In the distant past, power conference teams were able to schedule awful teams in the noncon, pad their win totals, and make the field if they just held their heads above water in conference play. But thankfully, that isn’t as much of a thing any more. Y

 

[hoopsaustin]

You’re the one who made Gonzaga the example, not me. But there actually aren’t a ton of teams from non power conferences that routinely make the tourney without playing and beating good teams in the noncon. That’s why there is always so much talk about how tough it is for mid majors to make the field. There are maybe two or three non power conferences that can count on multiple bids, but those teams do play decent competition in the noncon.

In the distant past, power conference teams were able to schedule awful teams in the noncon, pad their win totals, and make the field if they just held their heads above water in conference play. But thankfully, that isn’t as much of a thing any more. Y

Since 2000, guess how many times zag's "murderous row" of sos was under 75 sos?

Sinxe 2000, guess how many times ou's SOS was above 30?

 

[Hecubus]

Zags are at 85th overall, we are at #26 this year (Pomeroy).
Noncon , OU: 313 (lmao), Zags 27.

So given the zags current season schedule .. we win a few more games and make it in comfortably.

 

[Hecubus]

Would love to pull that data going back a ways but don’t have a sub.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Since 2000, guess how many times zag's "murderous row" of sos was under 75 sos?

Sinxe 2000, guess how many times ou's SOS was above 30?

Seriously you don’t understand that I’m talking about noncon? Just like with Moser, the only thing they can control is the noncon.

 

[hoopsaustin]

Seriously you don’t understand that I’m talking about noncon? Just like with Moser, the only thing they can control is the noncon.

I do. But you can't sing their praises just because they play a few teams in the non-con. To be consistent you must be calling for them to join a conference because their overall SOS is always pathetic (which was my point)

 

[CoachTalk]

Seriously you don’t understand that I’m talking about noncon? Just like with Moser, the only thing they can control is the noncon.

That’s his point. You don’t have to play a brutal non con if your conf is top 15. Zags have to bc their last 25 games suck and the only chance they get is their first 10-12 games.
If they didn’t play a brutal non con…. They’d be Miami of Ohio.

(Yes I think we shouldn’t play so many 300’s)

 

[WichitaSooner]

That’s his point. You don’t have to play a brutal non con if your conf is top 15. Zags have to bc their last 25 games suck and the only chance they get is their first 10-12 games.
If they didn’t play a brutal non con…. They’d be Miami of Ohio.

(Yes I think we shouldn’t play so many 300’s)

And my point is that they don’t just PLAY a brutal noncon. They WIN those games. If they were to go 5-8 noncon, they’d have to win their conference tournament to make the tourney. This whole discussion started with people saying Gonzaga is overrated. That just isn’t true. Of course they would lose more games if they were in a power conference, but that doesn’t mean they haven’t been legitimately great. I mean, everyone predicted Houston would lose 10 games or so once they joined the Big 12. Seemed to work out ok for them.

Back to OU. If we played their exact schedule, I’d guess we would probably lose 8-10 games and I’m not sure that would be a tournament resume.