Flagrant Fouls

[jaymOU]

Can someone explain the flagrant foul rule for me?

The call on TGroves was beyond silly. That's a simple post-up move.

Then, later in the game, JHill takes an elbow to the face - is bleeding everywhere and no review. Why? I saw a couple of OU assistance asking for a review to no avail.

I just don't understand the application of the rule.....seems inconsistent at best.

 

[hoopsaustin]

Sports have been taken over by morons

 

[Sooner04]

Officiating, and sports in general, would be improved by the complete removal of replay.

 

[TINY]

Refs have been absolutely dreadful. The foul on groves was a common foul at most. Don’t forget when he took the flying knee to the head against baylor and got called for a foul.

 

[skyvue]

Refs have been absolutely dreadful. The foul on groves was a common foul at most. Don’t forget when he took the flying knee to the head against baylor and got called for a foul.

Yeah, he got a technical for saying he got kneed in the head, and since then, I've seen several instances of players (in men's and women's games) completely showing up the officials -- throwing a hissy fit right in front of them -- with no T called.

 

[MsProudSooner]

I didn't get to see the first half but the fouls called on Groves in the 2nd half didn't make a lot of sense. I hate how they allow the offensive post player to push the defensive player but if the defensive player tries to stand his ground they call a foul on him.

The crowd seems even more vocal than usual on foul calls.

 

[skyvue]

I didn't get to see the first half but the fouls called on Groves in the 2nd half didn't make a lot of sense. I hate how they allow the offensive post player to push the defensive player but if the defensive player tries to stand his ground they call a foul on him.

The crowd seems even more vocal than usual on foul calls.

I was listening to the game (will watch it later tonight) and it seemed as if the Sooners had an inordinate number of offensive fouls called against them in the second half. Perhaps they were all proper calls, but it's pretty rare to have that many offensive whistles.

 

[Soonercuda]

The flagrant foul got called shortly after the McCullar/Harkless kerfuffle when Harkless tied up McCullar and things got chippy. So I think the refs were looking for a reason to "take control of the game".

We have had a lot of bad luck on flagrant foul calls/non calls this year...we are due for some breaks to go our way on this.

 

[Soonerinkc]

They say the 2nd guy always gets caught...

That's what happened last night. Tanner got a pretty good "bump" right before his "flagrant" as he was coming across the lane to post up ...hence he wanted a little pop back.

Total bullcrap that the ref didn't see the first one by the tt guy.

 

[BoulderSooner]

They say the 2nd guy always gets caught...

That's what happened last night. Tanner got a pretty good "bump" right before his "flagrant" as he was coming across the lane to post up ...hence he wanted a little pop back.

Total bullcrap that the ref didn't see the first one by the tt guy.

even what he did after was not close to a flagrant ...and really not even a foul

what he did was a hard post ...

 

[WichitaSooner]

The flagrant last night was a bad call, period. Not sure how that was upheld on review.

That said, it’s funny (not surprising) that no one has mentioned the missed call when the ball went out of bounds off Goldwire with a few minutes left in what was still a competitive game with three or four minutes left. Pretty much the opposite of the call that went against us against KU. After that game, so many people viewed it as the biggest play of the game. But when it went in our favor last night, it goes almost completely unmentioned. Point being, every team and fan base will find something to complain about in every game, especially if you lose. I will never be in the camp that thinks there is a conspiracy to screw a certain team. The only consistently shady thing I see is refs getting intimidated by the crown in Lawrence late in games. I think the vast majority of bad calls throughout the season are due to incompetence or simple mistakes.

 

[BoulderSooner]

The flagrant last night was a bad call, period. Not sure how that was upheld on review.

That said, it’s funny (not surprising) that no one has mentioned the missed call when the ball went out of bounds off Goldwire with a few minutes left in what was still a competitive game with three or four minutes left. Pretty much the opposite of the call that went against us against KU. After that game, so many people viewed it as the biggest play of the game. But when it went in our favor last night, it goes almost completely unmentioned. Point being, every team and fan base will find something to complain about in every game, especially if you lose. I will never be in the camp that thinks there is a conspiracy to screw a certain team. The only consistently shady thing I see is refs getting intimidated by the crown in Lawrence late in games. I think the vast majority of bad calls throughout the season are due to incompetence or simple mistakes.

maybe because the KU game was 1 or 2 score game ..

and OU was up 8 last night ..

 

[SoonerinNC]

That was the most flagrant flagrant foul call I have seen. I suspect the official knew after he called it that he had messed up. unfortunately the officiating team was unwilling to admit to a mistake.

I am not in the camp that officials are not trying to do the right thing. But;

They do get intimidated by home crowds. Ames and Lawrence good examples. Everyone likes to be loved.

They sometimes fall into the trap of anticipating what is going to happen.

Some are really not that competent.

Others are not consistently watching their area. Like the time Ebo of Texas shoved our player (Washington?) to the floor. Wide open, how do you miss that.

I also suspect that the block/charge picture is different from official to official.

And I HATE allowing the offensive player creating the contact or even jumping into the defensive player and getting a block call. I suspect that everone wanting high scoring games has something to do with that.

 

[red recluse]

there was some intent on that foul, and i liked it. message sent, and we dominated the second half.

 

[hoopsaustin]

even what he did after was not close to a flagrant ...and really not even a foul

what he did was a hard post ...

Yup wasnt even a foul.

 

[AdaSooner]

The flagrant last night was a bad call, period. Not sure how that was upheld on review.

That said, it’s funny (not surprising) that no one has mentioned the missed call when the ball went out of bounds off Goldwire with a few minutes left in what was still a competitive game with three or four minutes left. Pretty much the opposite of the call that went against us against KU. After that game, so many people viewed it as the biggest play of the game. But when it went in our favor last night, it goes almost completely unmentioned. Point being, every team and fan base will find something to complain about in every game, especially if you lose. I will never be in the camp that thinks there is a conspiracy to screw a certain team. The only consistently shady thing I see is refs getting intimidated by the crown in Lawrence late in games. I think the vast majority of bad calls throughout the season are due to incompetence or simple mistakes.

I’m glad you mentioned the erroneous out of bound call. I’ve been reading this thread to see if anyone would bring it up. If that call had been reviewed, it would have almost certainly gone against OU at a crucial part of the game

Tanner’s foul was viewed as “intentional” by the official. Thus, the crossed arms above the official’s head. The new terminology as of a few years ago is “flagrant.” The result is the same, two free shots and the ball out of bounds.

Tanner did nothing to disguise the foul. It was a foolish move on his part. He fouled the guy! Period. The official thought it was intentional. Right or wrong, it was a judgment call. The official could have just as easily called it a common foul, and IMO that’s what he should have done. But when Tanner left no doubt that he was there to take control of the middle, he left the door open for the official to judge what he did as intentional.

It’s the same foul as officials used to call intentional. Now it’s called a flagrant foul, “Flagrant One” in this case. The penalty for a Flagrant Two is two free throws, the ball out of bounds, and the offending player is ejected.

 

[steverocks35]

I’m glad you mentioned the erroneous out of bound call. I’ve been reading this thread to see if anyone would bring it up. If that call had been reviewed, it would have almost certainly gone against OU at a crucial part of the game

Tanner’s foul was viewed as “intentional” by the official. Thus, the crossed arms above the official’s head. The new terminology as of a few years ago is “flagrant.” The result is the same, two free shots and the ball out of bounds.

Tanner did nothing to disguise the foul. It was a foolish move on his part. He fouled the guy! Period. The official thought it was intentional. Right or wrong, it was a judgment call. The official could have just as easily called it a common foul, and IMO that’s what he should have done. But when Tanner left no doubt that he was there to take control of the middle, he left the door open for the official to judge what he did as intentional.

It’s the same foul as officials used to call intentional. Now it’s called a flagrant foul, “Flagrant One” in this case. The penalty for a Flagrant Two is two free throws, the ball out of bounds, and the offending player is ejected.

Yep and he did it alone under the basket right in front of the official. Dumb, but it didn't hurt us in the long run.... this time.

 

[WichitaSooner]

maybe because the KU game was 1 or 2 score game ..

and OU was up 8 last night ..

KU was a six point game, last night was 8, with pretty much the same time left. In fact, there was a bit more time left last night. The KU call became huge because we immediately gave up an open three. There is no way of knowing what would have happened last night, and given how the game was going, I don’t think Tech would have come back. But the call did deny them a possession in a game that was still within range. I just think it’s only fair to acknowledge that every team ends up on the good and bad side of lots of calls throughout the season.

 

[mict085]

The flagrant foul call was terrible. It was a horrible judgement by the ref. At best, it was a common foul. Of course, I’ve seen that and much, much worse be a no call in AFH, Stillwater, and Austin when it’s committed against OU.

There is no consistency in officiating. It makes it hard to watch. Visiting teams routinely get screwed at ku and other places. Iowa state was screwed big time at ku earlier this year. It happens every year, many times per year. Poor Officiating is hurting the game, whether it’s incompetence or on purpose. It doesn’t even out and it makes it frustrating to watch. The officials are never held accountable either. They never have to answer for their incompetence.

 

[TheMont]

I just think it’s only fair to acknowledge that every team ends up on the good and bad side of lots of calls throughout the season.

This is certainly true, but MAN Oklahoma has been on the wrong side of flagrant calls seemingly 100% of the time this season!