GAME 15 - OKLAHOMA (11-3) @ Mississippi State (9-5) 6:00pm CST on SECNETWORK

I was hoping this year would be different and there is still time, but this team just looks like another mediocre-ass Moser team. I wouldn't be surprised if we actually win enough to hang around the bubble, but this season has the feel of another uninspiring effort toward basketball purgatory. Apathy is closing in fast.
 
I was hoping this year would be different and there is still time, but this team just looks like another mediocre-ass Moser team. I wouldn't be surprised if we actually win enough to hang around the bubble, but this season has the feel of another uninspiring effort toward basketball purgatory. Apathy is closing in fast.
And yet Moser will plead for fans to pack the LNC. If they play like this again Saturday, it would be a miracle if they have more than 100 people there next Tuesday.

Look at this Vandy game. A second-year coach doing this at a place with no meaningful history of success, at a school with very tough admissions standard. Playing fun, inspired ball and the arena has been electric all night.
 
And yet Moser will plead for fans to pack the LNC. If they play like this again Saturday, it would be a miracle if they have more than 100 people there next Tuesday.

Look at this Vandy game. A second-year coach doing this at a place with no meaningful history of success, at a school with very tough admissions standard. Playing fun, inspired ball and the arena has been electric all night.
We pushed out Duke Miles so he could go and average 17 a game at a top 10 Vandy squad lmao
 
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We pushed out Duke Mikes so he could go and average 17 a game at a top 10 Vandy squad lmao
But we have Jeff!! You know, the guy was our BEST PLAYER till Fears got to campus last summer. A super athlete. I heard MMM say it and Coach pumped him up as a difference maker. We were told how much he would have helped us had he been around last season. And now he is so bad he is behind Dayton, who has barely made a shot since we turned the clocks back in Nov.

I can’t wait to see Duke play the role of Oweh and light up MMM this season.
 
For someone that did not play at a high level, what is our issue with shooting home versus away? Is there usually a difference in percentages like we have? Not talking being outplayed or hustle, just shooting and free throw. Can you coach that out of players?
Player dependent, can only speak from experience bc later in life I found out my depth perception is pretty awful.

I shot really well in tight gyms and felt like I could barely get a feel for grazing the rim in bigger open spaced arenas.

These guys play in an awful Lloyd Noble, but no excuses at this level tbh. If there is ANY difference it is usually due to home vs. away crowds and momentum. Which wouldn't explain it for us because we have no home crowd advantage at all.
 
We played okay defensively, rebounded terribly. On offense, I think we just got out-toughed. They are physical guards and bumped us off our spots and got us out of rhythm. We stopped cutting, stopped moving, stopped attacking.

They were making us shoot too far out on a lot of threes, and we couldn't find a rhythm. Good game by Mississippi State, but we will live and die by home games in this league. Let's see how the next stretch goes.
 
Our guards are going to be our downfall this year. Brown played lackadaisical. Look at how much intensity Hubbard played. Dayton is not athletic and quick enough. Nijel Pack is small and not fast enough to defend quick guard like Hubbard. Our bigs are good but they have to compensate for our guards. Hubbard is very good though. The only guy who can defend him is Tae Davis, but their coach is good at adjusting in the second half to use screen and switch to force Tae to switch and defend a different guy leaving our guards to defend Hubbard. Hubbard is just too fast and good for another defender to defend him.
 
Could not remember if it was you or another poster but definitely remember his reply. And the JN situation is another reminder to take every offseason report of guys looking great with about a million grains of salt.

Thank goodness Jones got healthy and Atak is able to occasionally have big games, because JN and Dayton have been massive disappointments.
I know I said JN wouldn't do much for us and got some flack
 
Thoughts on the game:

First, It was a terrible watch. And, I'm not talking about how we played. That was a sanctioned MMA wrestling match and not a basketball game. This is where the game has gone in the last 15 years and I just hate it. Miss State just fouled the hell out of everyone with the ball every play and dared the officials to call it, and they didn't. We could have done it too, but just weren't tough enough or in some cases, thick enough, to do it effectively. Every 5-10 years the NCAA says they are going to clean up the game and then some of the blue blood coaches with all the giant big guys raise hell and we let it go.

Second, you can diagnose it any way you want, but at the end of the day, you have to be able to put the ball in the hole. We got, and then missed, so many makeable shots and free throws there was simply no way to win the game regardless of everything else or coaching.

Third, I thought the kids played hard enough. Just respectfully disagree with some of you with a contrary opinion.

Fourth, the basketball skill is "blocking out" and not rebounding. When my dad coached, he said he did drills where the players were not allowed to get the ball off of the glass while it was in air and before it had hit the ground. He didn't track rebounding, he tracked blocking out. We simply didn't block out and make their players go over our backs on most occasions. Just find a guy, get between him and the goal, get in a stance, and try to keep from being pushed under the rim.

Finally, I thought we played OK defensively, but am I the only one that spent the entire game screaming for our guards to quit taking a left fake and letting both there guards go to their right. Should have been overplaying their right hand from the tip.

Back to the drawing board, and lets hope we steal one this saturday.
 
We pushed out Duke Miles so he could go and average 17 a game at a top 10 Vandy squad lmao
I’d still take Brown and Pack over Duke though. Outside of the two losses against better teams, in the other two losses, we shot in the low 30% range and had more TO’s. We will lose any SEC game doing that. How many more nights like that will occur is the question.
 
I’d still take Brown and Pack over Duke though. Outside of the two losses against better teams, in the other two losses, we shot in the low 30% range and had more TO’s. We will lose any SEC game doing that. How many more nights like that will occur is the question.
I think a lot of that was a response to physical defense. There's a good chance it happens quite a bit against physical defenders.
 
i think once again our biggest weakness, and will continue to be, is not having a center that can score. Wague commits some of the dumbest fouls, and a lot of these games he fouls more than he scores. Also, Idk why Moser is going to overseas to get these big guys because they're clearly not physical or athletic enough, and most if not all of them end up not working out. any team that has physical big guys will own us, yet again this sec season.
 
IMO, there is not one single fatal flaw on this team. It is like all of Moser's team -- it just isn't good enough overall, and it is certainly not coached well enough. We have a more talented starting five than most years under MMM, but we don't have high level SEC talent. If Reid rounds out his game, I guess he could have an NBA opportunity down the road, but he's the only guy you can say that about. Davis is inconsistent, both with his effort and his production, and it is truly a joke that he and Moser seem determined to have him keep shooting 3s at a 10% clip. Mo is Mo. Very good occasionally, a total nonfactor other games. Brown and Pack are good college guards but they are small, struggle against physical defenders, and neither is great at creating their own shot.

The bench . . . well, Jones is a very good defender who is hit or miss offensively. Atak is a major weapon when he is making shots but will likely be streaky all season. Dayton has been a disaster. JN is not remotely close to what Coach and others billed him to be. Yet again -- summer ball doesn't mean much when evaluating how a lower level player will play in structured games against well-coached teams with athletes as good or better than you. Rogers has shown promise but is a freshman and not a threat offensively at this point. MMM took a risky gamble on Blair and lost. He also recruited a tall skinny dude who was almost certainly going to redshirt, so other than a few minutes of Rogers per game, we got nothing from our high school class. And Kirill has shown a good basketball IQ and some decent skills, but likely will be just a limited role player.

One of the biggest gripes I have with MMM is that he simply cannot put together a complete team. For the most part, this team has been far better than most his teams at taking care of the ball and defensive rebounding. The offense is better. But the defense has been awful, the focus inconsistent, the FT shooting has tailed off, and he allows a guy like Davis to play well outside his offensive limitations. They showed some defensive improvements for 20 minutes Wednesday, but it was undone by an awful offensive game, and then the defense reverted to crap in the second half. They have had far too many games where they sleepwalk through large portions of the game. Bottom line, there is always something that goes wrong. Wednesday night, they looked like a team that had spent the previous four weeks playing home games against several of the worst teams in America. They missed shots and couldn't deal with a physical SEC team in a road setting. The number of times each season that we get our doors absolutely blown off is appalling. Yes, they occasionally step up and get a surprising road win, but far too often, they lose by 20+ and look like the Washington Generals for long stretches as their opponent toys with them. It's embarrassing as hell.
 
I think a lot of that was a response to physical defense. There's a good chance it happens quite a bit against physical defenders.
MSU def played physical at times, and like another posted stated, was swiping at balls quite a bit w/o the refs calling anything. But we also missed a ton of open shots. Pack missed several early ones that were open. Either way, we can't be shooting 30% or 35% or going 3 of 20 from 3 on the road, and expect to win. The game is a lot easier when you're making shots.
 
Did we push him out? I heard he was not happy that fears was featured over him last year and left. That it was not money issue.
Yeah, he wasn't pushed out...but I can't recall when exactly he entered the portal. Was it after both Pack & Brown committed? Or was it after one of them committed? He wanted to be the starting PG and I know he didn't want to come off the bench and I don't blame him for that. It would have been very nice if he was our 1st guard off the bench on this team, but that was never going to happen. I'm glad he's doing well. I always liked him as a player.
 
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