Ever? Has any GM made a move as dumb as trading Harden with a year left on his contract and his Bird rights coming off an NBA Finals appearance? What a brain fart. If the Thunder never win a title and get dismantled you can trace it all to that choke job by Presti.
Harden trade dumbest move since?
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not even worth it.
Let me guess, you have a bill simmons posters above your bed?
It wasn't the best trade Presti could have got. He tried hard to get beal.
But it was apparent Harden wanted to start. He wasn't going to in OKC and the thunder wouldn't be able to have three max guys. They needed to get something for him.
They got off the top of my head so may be incorrect: Kevin Martin and jeremy lamb and draft picks that turned into Steven Adams and Reggie Jackson.
The year after the trade, the thunder were a better team than the year they went to the finals. They were a 60 win team. Then Patrick beverly happened.
Instead of being left without nothing for Harden. They have:
Steven Adams
Lamb (showed promise but doesn't give the effort)
Reggie turned into Enes Kanter and DJ augustine.
This team is a mile better off right now than if they would have rolled the dice for one year with harden and then get nothing.
Presti doesn't play for the immediate future. He builds teams
Let me guess, you have a bill simmons posters above your bed?
It wasn't the best trade Presti could have got. He tried hard to get beal.
But it was apparent Harden wanted to start. He wasn't going to in OKC and the thunder wouldn't be able to have three max guys. They needed to get something for him.
They got off the top of my head so may be incorrect: Kevin Martin and jeremy lamb and draft picks that turned into Steven Adams and Reggie Jackson.
The year after the trade, the thunder were a better team than the year they went to the finals. They were a 60 win team. Then Patrick beverly happened.
Instead of being left without nothing for Harden. They have:
Steven Adams
Lamb (showed promise but doesn't give the effort)
Reggie turned into Enes Kanter and DJ augustine.
This team is a mile better off right now than if they would have rolled the dice for one year with harden and then get nothing.
Presti doesn't play for the immediate future. He builds teams
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smh
LOL at anyone that things a starting lineup of RW, Harden, and KD is the best move. They would never win a championship with all three of them. Wasn't going to happen. They all need the ball in their hands.
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and also lol if you think brooks was the main one pulling strings
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They would have been impossible to stop together...
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You mean like vs miami in the finals?
They were already all three playing starter minutes and often times together on the floor.
The investment in harden would not have been a good one b/c we already have dynamic scores in KD and RW. The money is best invested in areas of the team that are not up to par instead of an area of the team that is already stellar.
They would have had a shot to win a championship if harden was there one more year. odds would have been against them. So you sacrifice building a team for one year? No.
It was an idiot panic move by a franchise who didn't have the ownership/market to afford a true contender. That's why they went out and recruited the rich intelligent liberal Kaiser.
Bottom line instead of trading Harden they could have just extended the qualifying offer, then Houston or somebody else would have offered him the restricted max which they had the right to match and he would have been locked up for 5 years.
Massive failure. Again if Durant leaves to join the Lakers it will sole be because they play in a real market and don't do stupid things like that. Along with the fact that free agents like Mike Miller and Pau Gasol only shun markets like the Thunder.
Bottom line instead of trading Harden they could have just extended the qualifying offer, then Houston or somebody else would have offered him the restricted max which they had the right to match and he would have been locked up for 5 years.
Massive failure. Again if Durant leaves to join the Lakers it will sole be because they play in a real market and don't do stupid things like that. Along with the fact that free agents like Mike Miller and Pau Gasol only shun markets like the Thunder.
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lol
you also thought it was stupid of them to get rid of rashad lewis when they did.
You crack me up man. keep trolling
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Reggie Jackson came from the trade? I thought the Thunder used their first round pick on him.
If I'm right about Reggie, then all the Thunder got from Harden is Steven Adams, and that's incredibly unimpressive.
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They received:
Kevin MArtin
Jeremy Lamb
Two first rounders and a second rounder
Kevin Martin is what the thunder needed to replace Harden. It just didn't work out and Martin didn't want to stay in OKC. He would rather play on a crappy team and score
Jeremy lamb was a lottery pick and showed/shows a lot of promise. He won't ever play in OKC though b/c he doesn't care about defense. He can score though
The 1st First Rounder was Steven Adams at #12. He has been a great asset
The 2nd First Rounder was Mitch McGary I believe. He is going to be a heck of a player. Already is offensively. Needs to pick up the defense.
The 2nd rounder is Abrines. He is exactly what the thunder need...just don't have enough to bring him over.
Kevin Martin, Sam Adams, McGary, Lamb, and Abrines.
Probably could have gotten more but hindsight. People knew Harden was good and would be a star. But probably not this good. And Martin didn't resign and Lamb turned out to be a bust so far.
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Is he referring to the Harden trade there?
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I would assume so. That thread was started in November of 2012. Shortly after the Harden trade.
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Nonsense. I constantly said if the Thunder were a real title contender they had to pay him and add more assets ignoring salary cap implications. Nobody blows up a young Finals team unless they can't afford to play with the big boys.
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Thunder homers are always "assuming". The latest being when I said the Thunder better worry about making the playoffs late in the season and was ridiculed at the time. After they missed the playoffs in their deluded minds I was wrong because they "assumed" I was only taking about the Suns even though I never said so.
I think everybody assumed Martin was a rental, so I wouldn't call losing him unlucky. At the end of the day, the guys that were brought in aren't that impressive. They're all easily replaced except Adams, and labeling even him a "great asset" strikes me as an overstatement.
Yes, some of these guys will contribute, but you can get contributions from FA's. It's not like you'd be replacing guys like Lamb with a corpse.
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you were only talking about the suns. And you were also predicting that assuming KD would play again. So yeah. congrats on being right by a tiebreaker when KD played a third of the season :facepalm
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