Hope you like college basketball

[bocabull]

That doesn't fix the system.

Actually, the more I think about it that's the problem. The NBA is trying to make a major professional sports league work in Portland, OKC, Salt Lake City, etc. So the owners proposal appears to limit Chicago, Dallas, LA, New York, Miami, etc to the payroll levels that can be supported in those small markets.

It's actually absurd when you think about it. They are trying to limit a player in NYC to what a market the size of OKC can support. No other business would do that and no employee would allow that.

The current system is working fine for the markets that can support all 4 major sports. The problem is the NBA has deployed a strategy os serving markets that aren't big enough to sustain any other professional sports.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

IMO an owner should break-even on an operating basis.

really?

 

[Tony]

A deal which guarantees ownership (even larger) profits is not a legitimate "fix" of anything.

 

[WTSooner]

A deal which guarantees ownership (even larger) profits is not a legitimate "fix" of anything.

So you don't think that professional athlete salaries (in all sports, really), are out of control?

Crazy.

 

[Tony]

Would kill to see a league with no draft and no salary caps, but also no guaranteed revenue split going to the players. If one could guarantee no collusion, it would be the most fair way to run a league.

 

[Tony]

So you don't think that professional athlete salaries (in all sports, really), are out of control?

Crazy.

In the pie-in-the-sky sense that firefighters and teachers have more important jobs and in a just world they would be the ones making that money, sure.

But professional sports makes billions and billions of dollars, and no, I don't think that money should just simply go back into the pockets of management. Come at me with a proposal where most of money earned by professional basketball goes to charity instead of either the owners or the players, and I'm on board.

 

[seniorsooner]

Stern: "Nuclear winter"

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7234584&categoryid=2459788

 

[bocabull]

So you don't think that professional athlete salaries (in all sports, really), are out of control?

Crazy.

The average player salary for the 2010-11 season was $5.15 million, based on overall player compensation of $2.176 billion and approximately 425 players active last season.

Apple revenue estimates for this year are $150 billion. Do I value the NBA more than 1.5% of the value I place on my iPhone/Mac?

Yeah, lots more.

Do I value any owner in the NBA? Nope, not a single bit. Owning an NBA franchise is no different than owning a Ferrari or a yacht and a villa on the french riviera ... it's a toy, a trophy for those who made their fortune somewhere else.

 

[campbest]

Actually, the more I think about it that's the problem. The NBA is trying to make a major professional sports league work in Portland, OKC, Salt Lake City, etc. So the owners proposal appears to limit Chicago, Dallas, LA, New York, Miami, etc to the payroll levels that can be supported in those small markets.

It's actually absurd when you think about it. They are trying to limit a player in NYC to what a market the size of OKC can support. No other business would do that and no employee would allow that.

The current system is working fine for the markets that can support all 4 major sports. The problem is the NBA has deployed a strategy os serving markets that aren't big enough to sustain any other professional sports.

Until the recession, the NBA historically has done well in smaller markets. I don't disagree that the NBA could contract a few teams (looking at NOLA and one other) in order bring down operating expenses.

It's just hard for me to support the players when they don't have any leverage in this negotiation, it's not about fairness. Furthermore when you read quotes from players like Nazr Mohammed telling kids to "stay in school and get a degree, maybe master's...you'll probably make more money than we will under this proposed agreement". They're a joke of an organization right now, making decisions on emotion, not economic facts. Hell, they're meeting was scheduled for 9am this morning and half the player reps didn't show up until after 10am!

The owners are focused and educated on what they want, they have their BATNA established and know when to pull back. Most of the players in the League right now aren't even closely following the proposals.

 

[NickZepp]

Both sides are wrong on this. And it'll be terrible for the NBA. Maybe not as bad as it ended up being for Hockey because the NBA is still going to be more important. But after the NHL lost a season a few years back it's now almost completely irrelevant.

 

[MsProudSooner]

It's hard for me to muster up any sympathy for either side.

 

[BigTime]

I like college basketball.

 

[Sooner79]

Oh! You mean the nba hasn't started/isn't playing this year. I hadn't noticed!

 

[BoulderSooner]

I back the owners on this. It's about time one of the major sporting industries tries to do something about the out of control player salaries in professional sports. Good for them.

The only reason I care at all is b/c it pretty much took away the final shot my Celtics had at getting another title with their current roster.

no matter what side you support this is a bad choice for the players ..

10 owners didn't like this "final offer" from stern ... the rank and file would have gotten a "good" deal player salerys would be up 50% in 10 years (to an all time high) and the exceptions would have stayed ...

the players are trying to call the owners bluff .... but the thing is the owners are not bluffing ... 20 or so of them lost money on the NBA last season ...


this is going to go down like the NHL ... and the deal the players just rejected will be much much better than the deal they accept next summer


that deal will roll back current salarys and most likely have a hard cap ..

 

[campbest]

no matter what side you support this is a bad choice for the players ..

10 owners didn't like this "final offer" from stern ... the rank and file would have gotten a "good" deal player salerys would be up 50% in 10 years (to an all time high) and the exceptions would have stayed ...

the players are trying to call the owners bluff .... but the thing is the owners are not bluffing ... 20 or so of them lost money on the NBA last season ...


this is going to go down like the NHL ... and the deal the players just rejected will be much much better than the deal they accept next summer


that deal will roll back current salarys and most likely have a hard cap ..

Exactly.

 

[bocabull]

Denver, you do realize you just repeated David Sterns talking points verbatim right?

The players seem a lot more calm to me than the owners. Stern is the one making over the top statements. I smell a little panic on his side. Explan this to me ... if the owners are really losing money why does he threaten the offer will decline if the current offer is not accepted immediately? If that's true missing games would put extra money in the owners pockets. Something does not smell right.

 

[thebigabd]

You should pay a billion dollars for something where you simply break even? Seems like a total violation of business 101.

 

[j2d2]

It's hard for me to muster up any sympathy for either side.

Salaries are obscene and owners greedy. TV has or is ruining all sports. Money has become the goal - not the game.

 

[campbest]

Salaries are obscene and owners greedy. TV has or is ruining all sports. Money has become the goal - not the game.

It's a business.

 

[campbest]

You should pay a billion dollars for something where you simply break even? Seems like a total violation of business 101.

Operating budgets aren't the only consideration for businessmen (or women) looking to buy a franchise. Appreciation of value (gain or loss) and tax deductions/ramifications for other businesses under the same umbrellas are also driving factors.