Is This Rock Bottom For the Program?

[IndySooner]

Such a tired argument. You really think we make the tournament if we had good fans? Moser would lose all the same

Did I say that? No. I just said that it would be disappointing as a player to be 13 and oh playing a top 10 team and show up to a half empty home arena. If you don’t think that’s the case you’re nuts.

 

[hoopsaustin]

Did I say that? No. I just said that it would be disappointing as a player to be 13 and oh playing a top 10 team and show up to a half empty home arena. If you don’t think that’s the case you’re nuts.

Disappointed, sure. Going out and blowing wins so we miss tourney 4 years in a row bc of the crowd? No

 

[WichitaSooner]

Did I say that? No. I just said that it would be disappointing as a player to be 13 and oh playing a top 10 team and show up to a half empty home arena. If you don’t think that’s the case you’re nuts.

Again, that didn’t happen.

 

[WichitaSooner]

I just saw someone mention on Twitter that they apparently recognized Sooner hoops alumni yesterday, but hadn’t advertised it at all and no one knew it was going to happen. Is that true? Is the program THAT incompetent?

 

[daqman]

They were 13-0 and highly ranked at the time. Imagine how much of a letdown it was to see that crowd.

not exactly sure which game you're referring to
are you referring to the prairie view a&m game that was a win?
or the texas a&m game? if so...when exactly was the team letdown by the crowd? when they were up 20 pts in the second half....or after they pissed it away and lost?

 

[skyvue]

Moser's teams have laid an egg in front of big crowds more times than I want to recall. I'm not really inclined to blame the fans right now.

 

[OUSKINS]

People are arguing either/or, but the answer is “both.”

—Moser has done a poor job and his failure to elevate the program in any way is ultimately on him and will likely (deservedly) cost him his job.

—The fanbase is completely apathetic; the atmosphere is drab; and even when the team has had a good/decent season over the past 20 years or so it is STILL a struggle to get people to show up or care— especially when compared to other comparable fanbases. I mean just look at the baseball attendance side by side for opening weekend with the other SEC schools (there is always an excuse for why OU fans don’t roll out).

Both of the above are true and this is why I think the program is at such a low right now. I do not think it is a particularly attractive job other than the fact that there still aren’t many of these jobs available. But any coach with options I would think would look elsewhere first. We are likely going to need to overpay or give a coach another chance that no one else is offering or take a real flier on a young/unproven coach that isn’t on the radar much yet.

It’s a program that is failing on all levels.

 

[WichitaSooner]

People are arguing either/or, but the answer is “both.”

—Moser has done a poor job and his failure to elevate the program in any way is ultimately on him and will likely (deservedly) cost him his job.

—The fanbase is completely apathetic; the atmosphere is drab; and even when the team has had a good/decent season over the past 20 years or so it is STILL a struggle to get people to show up or care— especially when compared to other comparable fanbases. I mean just look at the baseball attendance side by side for opening weekend with the other SEC schools (there is always an excuse for why OU fans don’t roll out).

Both of the above are true and this is why I think the program is at such a low right now. I do not think it is a particularly attractive job other than the fact that there still aren’t many of these jobs available. But any coach with options I would think would look elsewhere first. We are likely going to need to overpay or give a coach another chance that no one else is offering or take a real flier on a young/unproven coach that isn’t on the radar much yet.

It’s a program that is failing on all levels.

I agree with this, by the way. Not suggesting that our fans are worth a darn. They have been for decades. But that’s actually why I don’t think it’s accurate to say that’s a reason Moser has failed. We have had multiple coaches succeed despite crappy fan support. I remember being embarrassed every year I went to the Big 12 tournament to see the terrible turnout, and that’s even when we won the thing three straight years. Same with NCAA tournaments and FFs. Ditto the turnout in Omaha three years ago. And our football fans are notorious for whining about start times, heat, cold, etc.

Lots of issues on many fronts, but I am in the camp that thinks that a good coach can still come in and turn things around quickly. The question is if Joe can identify and hire a good coach.

 

[CMSOONER]

I agree with this, by the way. Not suggesting that our fans are worth a darn. They have been for decades. But that’s actually why I don’t think it’s accurate to say that’s a reason Moser has failed. We have had multiple coaches succeed despite crappy fan support. I remember being embarrassed every year I went to the Big 12 tournament to see the terrible turnout, and that’s even when we won the thing three straight years. Same with NCAA tournaments and FFs. Ditto the turnout in Omaha three years ago. And our football fans are notorious for whining about start times, heat, cold, etc.

Lots of issues on many fronts, but I am in the camp that thinks that a good coach can still come in and turn things around quickly. The question is if Joe can identify and hire a good coach.

Joe C will fall back to what he knows. The "Hot Name" failed, like it did with Capel. Now he'll go get a safe experienced name like LK.

 

[IndySooner]

not exactly sure which game you're referring to
are you referring to the prairie view a&m game that was a win?
or the texas a&m game? if so...when exactly was the team letdown by the crowd? when they were up 20 pts in the second half....or after they pissed it away and lost?

I’m specifically referring to the game that a player‘s dad tweeted about. You can take it up with the players’s dad.

Also, do you think maybe a better crowd might’ve helped hold off the rally? If you don’t, you know nothing about college basketball.

 

[WichitaSooner]

I’m specifically referring to the game that a player‘s dad tweeted about. You can take it up with the players’s dad.

Also, do you think maybe a better crowd might’ve helped hold off the rally? If you don’t, you know nothing about college basketball.

In other words, you don’t actually know what you’re talking about and are just parroting false info from his dad.

 

[daqman]

I’m specifically referring to the game that a player‘s dad tweeted about. You can take it up with the players’s dad.

Also, do you think maybe a better crowd might’ve helped hold off the rally? If you don’t, you know nothing about college basketball.

so that was the texas a&m game.
they claimed the lnc was "65% full".
what capacity level do you think the players need to not blow at 20 pt second half lead?

i agree loud/enthusiastic crowds boost home court advantage. problem is....moser has shown he can't win at home even when there are large/loud crowds.
each of the last 3 seasons the fan momentum was building..only to see it smashed by moser and his team pissing down their legs and losing at home.
fans have given up and i don't blame them at all.

it's a new era in college basketball. players get paid big money to play this game....if they need fans to motivate them to play with effort....they're going to be disappointed....especially when they lose games they shouldn't.

i don't follow the nba....do highly paid players often complain about fan support when their teams suck/lose?